Club Sale | It’s done!
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Whether fair and deserved or not, the stain of what city's owners have done will spill over onto us all too easily if we also take the oil money.
Is it really worth a couple of decades of sportswashing money? For what? We won't be able to blow away the saudis or city anyway.
Manchester United should be better than this. We are the biggest club in the land for many reasons. Some of it has come from success, of course. There is though, an undeniable romance surrounding the club. Everyone knows it's a special club. But that status is not guaranteed to last. Far from it. We have to maintain the highest standards off the pitch. It's a big part of the ethos of this club.
I could write so much more on this subject. But I have restrained myself a lot because I know this is a very international forum and all views should be expected and expressed. I do hope though, that maybe a few who have no qualms over this potential Qatari takeover, take this post seriously and consider the impact on the club for the rest of it's existence.
I was vehemently against the glazer takeover. Many of us were. But unfortunately not enough to prevent it from happening. We have few options to influence who takes over right now, but welcoming them with open arms? I find that deeply disturbing.
Is it really worth a couple of decades of sportswashing money? For what? We won't be able to blow away the saudis or city anyway.
Manchester United should be better than this. We are the biggest club in the land for many reasons. Some of it has come from success, of course. There is though, an undeniable romance surrounding the club. Everyone knows it's a special club. But that status is not guaranteed to last. Far from it. We have to maintain the highest standards off the pitch. It's a big part of the ethos of this club.
I could write so much more on this subject. But I have restrained myself a lot because I know this is a very international forum and all views should be expected and expressed. I do hope though, that maybe a few who have no qualms over this potential Qatari takeover, take this post seriously and consider the impact on the club for the rest of it's existence.
I was vehemently against the glazer takeover. Many of us were. But unfortunately not enough to prevent it from happening. We have few options to influence who takes over right now, but welcoming them with open arms? I find that deeply disturbing.
Yeah, this is why I can't see Saudi being part of it.
Only way it would be, it would be the long route of, Saudis giving SJR 10%. Then begin to sell off Newcastle and then eventually buy the rest of the club from SJR at a premium.
But as I say, that would be a very long route.
Who currently underwrites the clubs debt to the Glazers?
If this is true and hypothetically the Sheikh puts in a bid that blows everyone else away, what would be the point in a further bidding round?
I doubt there would be.
there's a chance that SJR will bring Elliott to Manchester thus boosting his bid with these vultures money.
That's why I have been saying... It's all about the business model. It looks like the two parties have a different vision of the potential of the project.
Debt to the Glazers? I don't remember there being any related parties debt.
Id argue that we haven’t maintained shit for standards off the pitch though, and if we continue to decline on the pitch as well we’ll be nothing more than a nice story in the history books like other past clubs that have come and gone.
We’ve let our facilities become brutally outdated, our owners have done nothing but pay themselves out of the clubs pockets like the greedy cnuts they are, we’ve shown hilarious mismanagement in the board room with a number of decisions.
You can be as romantic as you want, but at a certain point shit has to change or the supporters that loved the club for what it WAS will eventually die and you won’t have anyone to take their place as irrelevance sets in slowly but surely.
There would be no point unless two of the interested parties decide to group together and are willing to match or better his offer.
I bet there is a non-cash component in the offer will be some projects that the Glazers can invest or participate in, whether in Manchester or Doha.
The Glazers are not turning £5.5bn down surely are they? that is a colossal offer but would not surprise me if Qatar go even higher to make sure they get the prize.
So after tomorrows deadline, should we have a clearer picture or another month delay with further bids/thinning from Glazers part? Could we find out within the next few days who the new owner(hopefully a new owner) will be?
The Jassimnator says I’ll be back.
@Plant0x84 awaiting your reply
According to the Ben Jacobs fella, Raine will assess the bids next. Then if the glazers are titillated they will offer one party exclusivity on making a final deal.
Not sure how a 500m increase blows anyone out of the water, but it still falls short of the glazers
From I'm told and shown, it's JP Morgan. Or should I say, they did in 2010.
I wonder how long that would take, I hope there are solid plans for the summer window regardless of who the owners are, but obviously it could swing drastically from glazers vs Jassim (I’m assuming he’d spend).
End of April?
I would image murtough has done some scenario planning for his transfer targets regardless.
Can’t see it, he’s on ignore!
Taken from the tweet thread, not sure how this equals blowing anyone out of the water.
500m is enough to buy Newcastle United.
Done dealio?
The high profile Qatari accounts on social media sound awfully bullish on this
Which ones?
Newcastle and OGC Nice.
The more information that coming out from Jim Ratcliffe/Ineos bid the worse it gets.
Eventually partnering with US Hedge Funds/Investors is as bad as keeping the Glazers as owners. A co ownership with a ME investor is equally as bad. Everything else than a new owner with a 100% ownership and a totally debts free club is a recipe for disaster. Red flags all over the place.
Eventually partnering with US Hedge Funds/Investors is as bad as keeping the Glazers as owners. A co ownership with a ME investor is equally as bad. Everything else than a new owner with a 100% ownership and a totally debts free club is a recipe for disaster. Red flags all over the place.
Let's be honest no one willing to pay £5b for a football club isn't in it for profit on some level, at the very least in the long term. Nobody wakes up one day and suddenly feels the urge to pump billions into a football club through altruistic reasons.
Jassim can't afford it so will be in debt to someone.
I can't see what hedge funds would give SJR, that JP Morgan or Goldman Sachs couldn't. Hedge funds being involved is a none entity.
Exactly - on another planet and can sustainably succeed without having to sell their soul to Arabian dictatorships.
Woodward is the reason United have floundered in the past decade, not lacking a sugar daddy. Now there’s a proper coach in charge, new people making football decisions the club on moving in the right direction again.
SJR taking over would likely mean the club pays for its own stadium renovation - why shouldn’t it? All he’s required to do is allow it to spend its own money.
This weird fanboy obsession with becoming a Qatari proxy club is at odds with what set United apart in the first place; like City’s owners, they want to do a massive land grab in Greater Manchester at scandalously discounted rates, under the false guise of improving the area.
Have some self-respect.
He’s a bit fragile when it comes to how he’s spoken to, but far less fragile when it comes to talking down to other posters.
It's quite likely that both would end up owning 100% of shares and both would likely remove the debt.
But hypothetically what difference would it make if Ineos or Qatar for that matter only owned 69% of the club? Considering that that 69% has 100% control?
indeed - he’s the figurehead used by the Qatari barbarians to pretend they’re not the true owners, as the ultimately disinterested Sheikh Masour is at City.
Malaga is a grim reminder of what could happen if Jassim really was making the bid himself without state backing.
The headline is slightly misleading but as has been previously reported, the Jassim bid wants to go slightly above the best rival offer to win and not get involved in ghost bidding against themselves.
This 100%.
We are one world class striker away to be competing with any top team in the world.
We don't need the blood/oil money of some murderous regime, just competent people.
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