Club Sale | It’s done!
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A SWOT? Bog standard stuff. This is breaking news by Drucker?
Wtf! I could have tweeted that.
I would imagine it would be the minimum that will be presented.
We better start working on some anti-Glazer-Elliott chants in case this nightmare gets even worse.
Boehly and company easily replaced Tuchel as soon as possible with the slightest slip.
The new owner might fancy Poch more and bang bim that's him in ASAP.
Pray tell which offers were received for Ronaldo in the summer?
Bye.
For the hundredth time, it's gas, not oil. So you're good
Morgan / Ducker of the Telegraph saying the asking price is £5bn and the Glazers remain "determined sellers":
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...s-invited-old-trafford-takeover-presentation/
Full article (no paywall):
https://archive.ph/DAW97
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...s-invited-old-trafford-takeover-presentation/
Full article (no paywall):
https://archive.ph/DAW97
Toodles.
Still no concrete proof that it's a state-backed bid but okay.
They want £5bn and are 'determined sellers'
"Telegraph Sport revealed on Saturday how the pair had been given the green light to enter the second stage of the sale process. They will now come under pressure from the sellers to meet a £5billion asking price."
The pair being Jass and Jim.
"Telegraph Sport revealed on Saturday how the pair had been given the green light to enter the second stage of the sale process. They will now come under pressure from the sellers to meet a £5billion asking price."
The pair being Jass and Jim.
Omg I didn’t say the club received offers I said Ronaldo wanted to leave the club, which is why he didn’t go on a pre season tour !
Seeing as the reporting on this has been a total shitshow, it's hard to say what this figure would mean for the Glazers.
If the touted numbers are for Enterprise Value (EV) which includes paying off the debt, the Glazers do not get as much as the crazy figures being touted (still outrageous, mind).
Also, there's six of the Glazer spawn and I think main rat 1 and main rat 2 have a smaller holding, so they don't even get a full 1/6th (or at least one of them, I think).
So not that crazy they're looking to essentially up the bid by the outstanding debt (or near enough).
Saw stuff about Qatar threatening to walk away and got excited. Then saw that Elliot reps might have been at the game and got nervous.
Roller coaster this.
Roller coaster this.
Simon Jordan keeps hinting that he knows why Tuchel was really sacked and it wasn't football reasons.
What's Boehlys wife look like? Maybe Tuchel boinked her.
Determined sellers now? That conflicted affection they had yesterday just... evaporated?
are you a fan or just an activist against Qatar ? if a fan and season ticket holder can i out in first dibs ?
They want 5bn according to the Daily Telegraph. And we have to presume they will haggle for as much as they can possibly get.
This is grim behaviour.
Especially for someone like Alexthelion who spent years berating people for wanting state ownership and is now posting glib remarks about people who didn't become hypocrites as soon as the money turned up.
As is this.
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Plenty of fans have no qualms about being an oil money club because they just have dollar signs in their eyes. The split in the fanbase and the overload of whataboutism is only going to get worse if the deal goes ahead.
I'd probably prefer Glazers over state ownership, but I don't think I could turn my back on supporting the club it's been 30 fecking years
SJR is the least shit option for me
SJR is the least shit option for me
Bye. Or as they say in Qatar Ma’a Salama
It was a clash of personalities. Tuchel didn’t like Boehly dictating the transfer policy.
I don't think so. Many of us have moved on.
It's just people are at different stages of working through reality:
(I am sure you guys can plot where you are in this progression)
I accelerated through the stages after coming to terms with United and the reality decades ago. Its not some naive idealism that the club or the sport represents anymore.
First millionaires owning the clubs and excessive transfer fees and salaries. Then rich sugar daddies like Jack Walker bought the league title. Then it became billionaire oligarchs' playthings.
Now, you need to be a multi-billionaire just to stay competetive against the likes of state/sovereign fund owners.
The horse has bolted out of the barn decades ago. You just have to come to terms with that in order to be financially competitive and sustainable; we will need to fight fire with fire.
Maybe in 20 years' time, the ownership model will shift and it will be owned by mega-corporations/media/infrastructure companies v sovereign funds.
I want us to be relevant, and sustainable, just so we can be able to compete and occasionally win some silverware. It goes beyond talking about transfer funds.
United is still a dinosaur as far as a football club is concerned. Anachronistic. Just look at the trend of global multi-clubs; then RM, Barca/Super League wanting a bigger slice of the PL money; UEFA v FIFA etc.
But times are changing.
A club's history has nothing to do with survival. Only have to look at Notts County, the nation's oldest club competing against the likes of Dagenham & Redbridge.
We can stick our heads in the sand or we can start preparing for the future. So without access to billions of $$, we will slowly slide into irrelevancy in 20 years' time. Or we can start to recover from the Glazers Era and begin to lead again like how Sir Matt did by being the first club to compete in Europe.
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Basically an owner, CEO etc cannot feel like their CL-winning, highly-rated coach can be more powerful than them.
That's why the existing org structure best remains the same to give ETH the buffer/protection to build the club to where he envisions.
You don't need to be owned by an oil state to be able to compete though, eg Bayern. Clearly many fans wanting some benign wealthy owner to just let United operate and compete using its own finances is a forlorn hope, but personally I don't think states should be allowed to own clubs and nothing will change that view.I don't think so. Many of us have moved on.
It's just people are at different stages of working through reality:
I accelerated through the stages after coming to terms with United and the reality -- first millionaires owning the clubs and excessive transfer fees and salaries. Then rich sugar daddies like Jack Walker bought the league title. Then it became billionaire oligarchs' playthings.
Now, you need to be a multi-billionaire just to stay competetive against the likes of state/sovereign fund owners.
The horse has bolted out of the barn decades ago. You just have to come to terms with that in order to be financially competitive and sustainable; we will need to fight fire with fire.
Maybe in 20 years' time, the ownership model will shift and it will be owned by mega-corporations/media/infrastructure companies v sovereign funds.
I want us to be relevant, and sustainable, just so we can be able to compete and occasionally win some silverware. It goes beyond talking about transfer funds.
United is still a dinosaur as far as a football club is concerned. Anachronistic. Just look at the trend of global multi-clubs; then RM, Barca/Super League wanting a bigger slice of the PL money; UEFA v FIFA etc.
But times are changing.
A club's history has nothing to do with survival. Only have to look at Notts County, the nation's oldest club competing against the likes of Dagenham & Redbridge.
We can stick our heads in the sand or we can start preparing for the future. So without access to billions of $$, we will slowly slide into irrelevancy in 20 years' time. Or we can start to recover from the Glazers Era and begin to lead again like how Sir Matt did by being the first club to compete in Europe.
We've managed to win silverware this year without oil money. It's the mismanagement of the club rather an inherent necessity of super-rich backers that's put us in this position.
Paul Singer has just arrived in Manchester, maybe something to do with takeover?
You are clearly in the 1st Stage of grief. Denial Do you think we can still compete in our current state?
Sure its been mismanagement -- I blame Woodward more than the Glazers for that -- though the buck stops with them.
But when we are working on such thin margins for error, we have ZERO buffer for any mistakes going forward. Some would say we are past that point -- way below water --- since we have had to borrow just to compete at the moment to compensate for the past mistakes.
I doubt if can recover without some serious changes.
Fyi. Bayern has won 10 league titles in a row. What does that say about the competitiveness of the Bundesliga? Plus its a league whose revenues (and La Liga and Serie A) are being vacuumed up by the PL. Maybe if we don't change City or Newcastle will be the Bayern of the PL?
Like a vulture circling around...
I quiet like him.
"As well as contributing to private initiatives, Singer also actively seeks to persuade other Republicans to support gay marriage. He has joined other Wall Street executives in support of LGBT equality and stated that same-sex marriage promotes "family stability" and that in a time when "the institution of marriage in America has utterly collapsed," the fact that gay couples want to marry "is kind of a lovely thing and a cool thing and a wonderful thing."
So he would be ok to take over or at least fund the Glazers to keep them in place?
Agreed.
I'm not in a state of grief, more one of apathy really.
Because tech is very LGBT friendly and based mostly in SF. He is doing it for no other reason than MONEY.
More likely it will accelerate the rate at which my interest in football has been diminishing since maybe my 30s as other life priorities take hold and social life adapts to that, but we'll see. I think a lot of that is natural anyway for most people.So maybe stage 4. The good news is that you will be coming around soon!!!
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