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Do you realize you are replying to your own post and agreeing with yourself?
Was obviously not directed to you but the poster I had the discussion with that you felt the need to jump on to.
And to the first point: I quite obviously tried to point out that we are drifting off to racist remarks pretty quickly. Nobody would call the US 'headchoppers' although executing much more people. It's a racial slur directed at Qatar right now by some overly emotional posters on here but it's simply incorrect.
So there you go.
I spoke about sex trafficking. Won't say anymore on that.
And what do you mean women aren't allowed to do anything without a man's consent. Are you living there? Are you a woman who is experiencing this? I know people who have lived out there and never faced such issues.
LGBTQ, again people of that community have been out there. It's not as though they're not welcome. Terry Flewers said he saw a gay couple in a restaurant holding hands and they weren't thrown out or arrested.
Support of terrorism? Seriously? No one country can be the beacon of light on this. People in the West feel the East are terrorists, and visa versa.
US have there issues. You may have heard of a guy called Epstein and his helper Maxwell?
It happens everywhere, unfortunately.
I was quoting a previous poster's post, too which you implied that we shouldn't judge Qatar of that's how they want to run their country. Are you seriously telling me that if Qatar want to systematically discriminate against women and the LGBTQ community and women, support terrorism and sex traffic then we shouldn't be able to judge that as awful?
You're having a nightmare here mate.
Which makes it ok?
Read my posts on this, I've commented on them all.
I'm not here trying to score in a contest. So I'm not having anything, mate!
When did I say it does?
Are you from Qatar? Seems a strange hill to die on if you don't have some sort of affiliation to the place...Read my posts on this, I've commented on them all.
I'm not here trying to score in a contest. So I'm not having anything, mate!
Amnesty International must be crawling with racists and xenophobes by your definition.
So what's your point about it happening in other places? Does that make it any less awful?
17th Feb
Fair enough mate.
Right I get you took exception to the headchoppers comment, fair enough. But surely you can refute that claim with evidence that, that isn't the case. Without also immediately jumping to whatboutisms relating the the US, which has no relevance to this discussion.
Are you from Qatar? Starnge for you to have such strong views on this stuff.
Whataboutism. In the US it is illegal, not so in Qatar: it is state sponsored.
If it was Epstein buying MU, you would be making excuses for it.
I know you are but what am I?
My point is, you can't use that stick to beat someone with, when your own house isn't in order. And as I said to the poster, unless he can prove who from the government is authorising sex trafficking, in particular who would be a part of the United bid, then they shouldn't use it.
Sheep?
Here is an article on women in Qatar:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Qatar
Now for the other issues, look them up yourselves.
This is a waste of time and wildly off topic. Enjoy your Qatari PR job and keep fighting the good fight. Trying to stifle legitimate criticism of regressive, oppressive regimes is truly valuable work.
Earlier you said it's "Sex trafficking is under the radar and harder to prove", and now it's state sponsored? If so, how is it under radar and hard to prove?
It doesn't make sense, does it?
I don't understand this whole "he wants to mix with the tories" angle. I could not care less what his political views are even if I disagree with them? Do you hate your neighbours because of who they vote for? If that's the negative for him, then its pretty damn negligible compared to human rights abuses.
It is a serious issue when people are saying different states and peoples can not change over time simply because they're from a certain part of the world. You're trying to make a joke but it's not something to be laughed at. Amnesty's problems are with the current laws and issues themselves, which I also have problems with. They are not making sweeping comments about Qatar never being able to progress over time (to my knowledge at least). Many countries, including the UK, have used colonialism to exploit people from different parts of the world and strip them of their resources for the betterment of their own economies. Thankfully, colonialism in this way mostly doesn't exist anymore. This represents a way the UK, France, Spain, Portugal and other countries have changed for the better over time. Why is it ok to suggest that other countries can't also change for the better in the future simply because they're from the Middle East?
Thanks. So another 5 more days of just people linking us to whoever under a million different ways but really they have no clue
Here's an interview with an actual Qatari woman:
https://english.elpais.com/society/2022-12-14/how-are-women-treated-in-qatar.html
Now, for the rest, I'll have my own balanced view.
Human trafficking is state sponsored. Sex trafficking is illegal by law but still happens, by the same methods that apply to trafficking of laborers.
http://gvnet.com/humantrafficking/Qatar.htm
Yeah I think we will hear more and more in the lead up.
What I would say though is like it or not Qatar seems highly likely to be in given the reports from everyone, including the one from France this morning.
Ta. And you keep waging your "we're the saviours of world" PR.
Here you go, something from the US:
https://deliverfund.org/the-human-t...-america/where-does-human-trafficking-happen/
I posted an article about the actual rules in the country, not an interview.
I don‘t doubt it mate, but we have laws against it.
It's fine to suggest that as an abstract but not in the context of excusing their current breaches of human rights or justifying their ownership of our club. Then it's just a front for sportswashing.
I may stop beating my wife at some point in the future. Then again I might not.
Will be great once this is over.
At least we'll get some kind of clarity and all fans can decide whether they're staying or not.
At least we'll get some kind of clarity and all fans can decide whether they're staying or not.
They are trying to take over our club. Why the feck would we not judge them?
Not worth looking over. It's the same rehashed stiff, over and over again.
Which is why I clearly stated it wasn't to do with them buying the club and why I stated I do not agree with their current breaches of human rights. I've clearly stated that my problem was with the comments that previous poster had made about Qatar never being able to progress or change. You have chosen to ignore that because you have your own notion of what you want to discuss about Qatar, and have tried to suggest I was arguing something that I was not.
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