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How long before this even gets ratified,starting to look like he won't be able to have any impression on January window which is frustrating

They still haven't announced the deal. This will probably take a while and will most likely not he done in time for January. However, I read that INEOS are already doing an audit and have a plan for how the future set-up will look like.
 
And you know whats Txiki Begiristain background and why and how he got his first Sporting Directors job .

Are you kidding me? Begiristain was director of football at Barcelona from 2003 to 2010 where he won everything with Pep as coach. In 2012 he joined City, years before Pep joined to set the structure and organization right for Pep to join. Begiristain was not an unknown person when he joined, he was one of the best.
 
Are you kidding me? Begiristain was director of football at Barcelona from 2003 to 2010 where he won everything with Pep as coach. In 2012 he joined City, years before Pep joined to set the structure and organization right for Pep to join. Begiristain was not an unknown person when he joined, he was one of the best.

Tbf Did we know that in 2012 he was going to have this level of impact? What if Pep failed? Would that have made him Begiristain still one of the best?

Everyone makes judgements of who is the best or the worst after the fact or in hindsight. Point is that there are no guarantees in football.

DOF or other internal positions in a club are hard to gauge unless you are in the business itself. As fans, we will know feck-all since we don't have any experience of the inner workings of a football club never mind how to gauge people internally -- only based on things in the press/journos or social media and their arent anymore qualified than us fans.
 
How long before this even gets ratified,starting to look like he won't be able to have any impression on January window which is frustrating
This is encouraging.

The most important thing right now isn't the manager, or the DoF. It's the structure.

We need to establish a system where the DoF creates the style, signs the players and hires a coach to suit.

It doesn't actually matter, in the long-term at least, who we hire as DoF or manager. Eventually we'll hire the right ones.

But until we have the right structure in place, it doesn't matter who we hire. The cycle will just repeat itself over and over again.
 
Are you kidding me? Begiristain was director of football at Barcelona from 2003 to 2010 where he won everything with Pep as coach. In 2012 he joined City, years before Pep joined to set the structure and organization right for Pep to join. Begiristain was not an unknown person when he joined, he was one of the best.
Fun fact he was Ex Barca player with no prior administrative experience when he was appointed as Barca's Sporting Director plucked away from his commentating job and there are plenty of other examples of people coming without much experience or rising from within organisation who have done great job .

My point is fairly simple there is no set formula for what would work for an organisation so I don't see any point in writing off anybody on arbitrary basis of not being best in the class or not being Elite .
 
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Fun fact he was Ex Barca player with no prior administrative experience when he was appointed as Barca's Sporting Director plucked away from his commentating job and there are plenty of other examples of people coming without much experience or rising from within organisation who have done great job .

My point is fairly simple there is no set formula for what would work for an organisation so any I don't see any point in writing off anybody on arbitrary basis of not being best in the class or not being Elite .

100%. We have tried two 5-star branded managers and they too failed us. Its not that obvious what needs to be done. What us fans have thought of I bet that they have investigated it many times over for the same issue.

Also, everyone is hoping that the new owners will make some sweeping changes and everything will be fixed. Like there is some 'magic' formula that nobody within the current brain bank of United has not considered since Woodward left.

Do we think they are that dumb internally within the United organisation?

I am sure Arnold and Murtough thought of the same things -- have a properly structured organisation; have a modern playing style manager and support him with the players that suit that style. They arent reading some fan forums for ideas on what to do with the club.

Fans who have ZERO knowledge of the internal workings of a football club -- and yet profess to be able to gauge or judge who the best DOFs are?

Lastly, the biggest problem in any business isn't the planning -- it's the execution.
 
Fun fact he was Ex Barca player with no prior administrative experience when he was appointed as Barca's Sporting Director plucked away from his commentating job and there are plenty of other examples of people coming without much experience or rising from within organisation who have done great job .

My point is fairly simple there is no set formula for what would work for an organisation so I don't see any point in writing off anybody on arbitrary basis of not being best in the class or not being Elite .
100% agreed.
 
So who should be our Sporting Director?
I’m not saying he shouldn’t be, I’m arguing against this idea that sporting directors are some sort of long term visionaries that will guide the club beyond any single manager. A lot of managers outlast these appointments.
 
How long before this even gets ratified,starting to look like he won't be able to have any impression on January window which is frustrating

Sometime next year by the sounds of it. I personally don't think we should be signing anybody in January anyway. If Ratcliffe comes in and tries to throw money around in January then I'll lose belief he actually knows what he needs to do, which is get people involved that know football and let them assess things based on their long term plan.
 
Sometime next year by the sounds of it. I personally don't think we should be signing anybody in January anyway. If Ratcliffe comes in and tries to throw money around in January then I'll lose belief he actually knows what he needs to do, which is get people involved that know football and let them assess things based on their long term plan.

What if he just comes in and clears all the shite out and play the kids and use what money we get in the summer having had 6 months to prepare a shopping list?
 
£245M to be invested into the infrastructure of the club by the end of the year by Ratcliffe personally.

 
Mark Kleinman has spoken.

Deal will be finalised this month.
300m for infrastructure.

I think we can now rest knowing where the club is going.






  • Sources said on Friday that the £245m investment would be staggered, with the bulk of it being handed to the club by the end of the year.
  • They added that it would be financed by Sir Jim personally and would not add to Manchester United's existing borrowings.
  • Adding together the cost of the stock purchase and the other capital for investment means that Sir Jim will be committing about £1.5bn on day one of his United interest, although that figure could vary depending on the price he ultimately pays for the shares.
  • The deal is expected to be announced within a fortnight, although negotiations between Sir Jim's team and the Glazers are ongoing, meaning that the timetable for an announcement remains subject to change.
  • One source close to the talks said the additional $300m investment would be focused on United's physical infrastructure, and not on addressing deficiencies on the playing side of the club.
 
Probably just me but I don't get how one shareholder would put money in but not the others, even though they would benefit. I suspect the 'investment' will actually be a loan.
 
Probably just me but I don't get how one shareholder would put money in but not the others, even though they would benefit. I suspect the 'investment' will actually be a loan.

So what if it’s a loan. We just need the investment.
 
Probably just me but I don't get how one shareholder would put money in but not the others, even though they would benefit. I suspect the 'investment' will actually be a loan.
Isn't Jim concerned more legacy? I think he wants to die as the man who saved United.
 
This is an incredibly underwhelming outcome considering the hope and anticipation that was felt over the past year.
 
Still highly suspicious of Ratcliffe but fair play if he's putting his money where his football loyalties (supposedly) lie.

The season is done anyway, so I'm all about the off-field for this season and we should see huge changes reflected in performances next year.
 
I mean 245m will get us a fresh coat of paint at OT. Is this supposed to be a positive story?
 
Fun fact he was Ex Barca player with no prior administrative experience when he was appointed as Barca's Sporting Director plucked away from his commentating job and there are plenty of other examples of people coming without much experience or rising from within organisation who have done great job .

My point is fairly simple there is no set formula for what would work for an organisation so I don't see any point in writing off anybody on arbitrary basis of not being best in the class or not being Elite .
So he is their Fletcher?
 
Sometime next year by the sounds of it. I personally don't think we should be signing anybody in January anyway. If Ratcliffe comes in and tries to throw money around in January then I'll lose belief he actually knows what he needs to do, which is get people involved that know football and let them assess things based on their long term plan.

What makes you think Ratcliffe will be throwing any money around as a minority owner? Whilst the media is working overtime in selling the need for a footballing structure and INEOS as the pre-planned solution to aid all of Utd's problems, people need to take a step back and look at what is actually happening and more specifically - what is not happening. Fans are no longer asking the important questions surrounding this pending deal - the debt, is it a takeover or investment for the Glazers to stay afloat, infrastructure plans and ambition.

There is no compelling evidence to any of those questions - only answers to questions that might not actually need answering beyond paying lip service to get fans on side of a deal that ultimately keeps the Glazers in charge. As long as that is the case, the direction will always be commercial ambition and not what is ultimately best for Manchester United Football Club which is a clean slate entirely and a full focus on restoring the club to what it was before that family stole it and then push it forward into the 21st Century as the benchmark for others to follow once again. Ratcliffe isn't coming in as a minority investor to clear the debt and pump money in. People are quick to point to the fact that Ratcliffe wouldn't be doing this if it didn't mean ultimate control in the future but forget to ask themselves what the Glazers aim is and if it's not selling the whole club now for £5b+ and £800m of debt clearance then they're not selling to Ratcliffe in a few years from now for anything less than that but significantly more. Why would one of the most successful businessman in the UK sign up to a deal like that? It's far more likely that he's paying a premium to own a piece of one of the biggest clubs in the world and play football manager whilst working with the Glazers to grow the brand so everyone with shares can milk the cow again.
 
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Mark Kleinman has spoken.

Deal will be finalised this month.
300m for infrastructure.

I think we can now rest knowing where the club is going.






  • Sources said on Friday that the £245m investment would be staggered, with the bulk of it being handed to the club by the end of the year.
  • They added that it would be financed by Sir Jim personally and would not add to Manchester United's existing borrowings.
  • Adding together the cost of the stock purchase and the other capital for investment means that Sir Jim will be committing about £1.5bn on day one of his United interest, although that figure could vary depending on the price he ultimately pays for the shares.
  • The deal is expected to be announced within a fortnight, although negotiations between Sir Jim's team and the Glazers are ongoing, meaning that the timetable for an announcement remains subject to change.
  • One source close to the talks said the additional $300m investment would be focused on United's physical infrastructure, and not on addressing deficiencies on the playing side of the club.


300M can do a lot to Carrington to be fair.
 
I mean 245m will get us a fresh coat of paint at OT. Is this supposed to be a positive story?
He's buying a 25% share in the club. How much do you realistically think he should be investing? I'm sure there's more to come in the future when he buys out the rest of the Glazers.
 
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