Most players have been woeful all season.
This is about as realistic as an excuse as the one about kits being too tight!
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Most players have been woeful all season.
This is about as realistic as an excuse as the one about kits being too tight!
The financial success United has enjoyed was riding on the coat tails of our footballing success. That has dried up years ago. The club is now up against the wall financially and wasting money manager after manager with little to show for it other than the occasional cup. The owners are too stupid to realize if they would just fix the football structure, the club can sustain itself and they will enjoy financial success for many years to come. If SJ is the way forward, he needs to get his team in place asap to fix this mess. Otherwise, we’re starting next season with a new manager once again and nothing will change.
Yeah I think a lot of people overlook the poor sods who work there doing the normal day to day jobs. I bet the place is a shithole. It wouldn't surprise me if they have to pay for their own uniforms and such like. I bet the cnuts scrimp and save on everything they can.
CL football win compensate for that.
https://www.reuters.com/sports/manc...enue-after-smaller-quarterly-loss-2023-10-26/
Can I start by suggesting we hire Keanu Reeves
Hotel Football does have a sort of John Wick sanctuary vibe with Gary Neville as Winston.
Many threads over the years - here is just one:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/what-can-realistically-be-done-to-get-the-glazers-out.462227/
Basically they all follow the same path as a load of fans (most of whom understand nothing about matchgoing culture or the history of protests and attempted boycotts of the past) talk about boycotts before realising it won't actually get them out
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Might not be as mental as it initially sounds, I am sure there are people working within the club from accountants to the tea lady who want a change of ownership as much as we do
Also doubts about their own jobs for the likes of Arnold, Murtough etc will not help them deliver a long term plan
Our team is like an incredibly bad tribute band. No resemblance to the original item.
As many know I was a pro Jassim bid. While I understood the moral implications around it and for most of the time I respected the views of those who championed those views I still think that full sale, no debt and serious investment was the way United should have gone. Having said that, there's no point crying on spilled milk. Thus here are 5 things I believe SJR could and should do to win even his staunchest critics
A-The club is losing money, the team is in shambles, the stadium is crumbling, yet another manager is at the brink of the sack and Jassim had pulled out. Its time for SJR to exploit the moment. He should offer a take it or leave it offer for majority control of the club. The Glazers are in such a big hole that refusing it without having OT burned to the ground would be near impossible. There's nothing that the fans (pro/anti Ineos, pro/anti Jassim etc) would like to see then the Glazers getting screwed. Its the treble season all over again.
B-Saddle the debt on INEOS. It probably means little in terms of politics. After all every man and his dog at INEOS would know whom to blame for that extra 1B debt. However for United it would mean almost everything. It would mean more breathing space in terms of FFP, it would be a clear message that Manchester United FOOTBALL club is back and it would mean that finally we've got owners who actually care about the club.
C- Go for the best in class. Whether its CEO, DOF, Sport scientists, data analysts, fitness people etc we need the best in class. That what United was all about in its prime and what we need now. By doing so, the club would send across the entire board (top to bottom) that the club means business, that the time for agents and players dealing with idiots that can easily be manipulated is over. When the hire ups get sacks then everything get rattled and everyone would end up watching his back as he might be next
D- Invest on the infrastructure. I've worked in less then nice environments and its hard to remain motivated when broken things aren't getting replaced, when the basics require tons of red tape to be bought etc. I understand that Ratcliffe is not an oil rich country but OT and Carrington need a serious revamp. I dare to say that this is as important as buying a new striker or a RW.
E- Talk with the fans. We have the nicest and probably the most patient fan base among the top clubs. I assure you that the Glazers wouldn't have been able to get away with the same crap they did with us if they owned Real. However the fans are at their wit end. They deserve to be listened to and I assure you that a clear plan of action will go down well with them even if it means a long term one
A-The club is losing money, the team is in shambles, the stadium is crumbling, yet another manager is at the brink of the sack and Jassim had pulled out. Its time for SJR to exploit the moment. He should offer a take it or leave it offer for majority control of the club. The Glazers are in such a big hole that refusing it without having OT burned to the ground would be near impossible. There's nothing that the fans (pro/anti Ineos, pro/anti Jassim etc) would like to see then the Glazers getting screwed. Its the treble season all over again.
B-Saddle the debt on INEOS. It probably means little in terms of politics. After all every man and his dog at INEOS would know whom to blame for that extra 1B debt. However for United it would mean almost everything. It would mean more breathing space in terms of FFP, it would be a clear message that Manchester United FOOTBALL club is back and it would mean that finally we've got owners who actually care about the club.
C- Go for the best in class. Whether its CEO, DOF, Sport scientists, data analysts, fitness people etc we need the best in class. That what United was all about in its prime and what we need now. By doing so, the club would send across the entire board (top to bottom) that the club means business, that the time for agents and players dealing with idiots that can easily be manipulated is over. When the hire ups get sacks then everything get rattled and everyone would end up watching his back as he might be next
D- Invest on the infrastructure. I've worked in less then nice environments and its hard to remain motivated when broken things aren't getting replaced, when the basics require tons of red tape to be bought etc. I understand that Ratcliffe is not an oil rich country but OT and Carrington need a serious revamp. I dare to say that this is as important as buying a new striker or a RW.
E- Talk with the fans. We have the nicest and probably the most patient fan base among the top clubs. I assure you that the Glazers wouldn't have been able to get away with the same crap they did with us if they owned Real. However the fans are at their wit end. They deserve to be listened to and I assure you that a clear plan of action will go down well with them even if it means a long term one
Give Joel and Avram both turbo wedgies
Sounds a bit like Gary Nevilles wishlisht.
As you have seen from the Qatar bid, "take it or leave it" bids don't work with The Glazers.
I think it is pretty well established now that he is offering to buy 25%, with a potential view to eventually take full control. My personal view is that it's only 25% now as a way to appease class A shareholders who threatened leagal action against The Glazers when Ratcliffe proposed only to buy The Glazers shares. This would have left the speculators and hedge funds holding a load of deprecating stock. I think he will take the majority of class A shares then cut a deal with The Glazers for the rest, but we will see.
The best we can hope in the near future, if the rumors are true, are him and his team taking sporting control and putting a more modern structure around the manager.
Also, this thread will prob be put in the mega club takeover thread.
I believe that the Qatari bid failed for two reasons
a- SJR's valutation of the club was superior to that of Jassim's
b- Ratcliffe was still available as an alternative
Now Jassim is gone so its either SJR or nothing.
The reason jimbo's bid won was because the Glazers get to keep control of the club and get a billion quid between them.
That is it.
And that is it because keeping the club for its future value and getting money today is all the glazers care about.
That is it.
And that is it because keeping the club for its future value and getting money today is all the glazers care about.
What he'll actually do is:
A: be a yes man for his Glazer brethren
B: take money from the club at some stage
C: have some sort of 'buy British' strategy
A: be a yes man for his Glazer brethren
B: take money from the club at some stage
C: have some sort of 'buy British' strategy
He’s already won me over by the fact the current execs didn’t want him because he turned up and called them all useless fecking eejits and moronic for signing Casemiro at the price they did back when everyone loved Casemiro.
There is no emphasis on success on the pitch, that’s why Woodward was allowed to continue despite years of failure and when he was replaced it was by the two idiots who were complicit in his failure.
This isn’t a football club with a plan or any ambition, if they demonstrate a willingness to change that it will go a long way.
This isn’t a football club with a plan or any ambition, if they demonstrate a willingness to change that it will go a long way.
If Ratcliffe tries renigging on what seems to be near to agreement, then The Glazers will end talks, go find some investment group to pour more debt onto the club and start spending the bare minimum on transfers.
You can see that Ratcliffe is desperate to get hold of United. He seems to already be making concessions and paying over the odds. Naive to think he is going to screw up over a years work when he has nearly got his foot in the door.
From a footballing side, holding people accountable (and possibly sacking) for idiotic recruitment or contract decisions is a must. There are common denominators between Sancho and Antony signings and they need immediate sacking. Any average United fan could've told you that Rashford isn't deserving of a massive wage increase, a smart DoF could've sold him to PSG for a good value and so many such idiotic decisions that average fans could see from a million miles away. If we spend obscene money and still have this level of football, people above the manager need to be let go and the manager needs to be kept away from recruitment recommendations.
To be fair, all a DOF is going to do when they come in is option C. We won't see the benefits of that for years either.
"Buy the best in class" is a bit like saying buy the next Messi(TM).
It takes a little bit more than that - How on earth are anyone getting the best in class when Saudi Arabia has arrived on the scene and City have their unpunished ways?
We are outside top 4 currently, other clubs are more attractive. We have our reputation, but taking a job at United means an almost impossible task if not given time, patience from fans+board and money and you rarely have all these ingredients at the same time. It takes years to align everything from the top and down and also replacing the squadmembers. Our fans are raging too much, and will have any DoF's and manager's head on a stick unless they magically produce titles in no time. On top of that he'll have to please the Glazers with immediate results too, so the fans don't chop up their heads too. It's almost impossible. Is there even any candidate out there that has any CV that looks just a bit promising to fulfill those giant shoes of ours?
Maybe not set up expectations for Jim to have a magic wand, or else you'll get dissappointed. The best he can do is to do his best within the frame he's given. He can't get everything right, and getting all 5 points is unrealistic.
It takes a little bit more than that - How on earth are anyone getting the best in class when Saudi Arabia has arrived on the scene and City have their unpunished ways?
We are outside top 4 currently, other clubs are more attractive. We have our reputation, but taking a job at United means an almost impossible task if not given time, patience from fans+board and money and you rarely have all these ingredients at the same time. It takes years to align everything from the top and down and also replacing the squadmembers. Our fans are raging too much, and will have any DoF's and manager's head on a stick unless they magically produce titles in no time. On top of that he'll have to please the Glazers with immediate results too, so the fans don't chop up their heads too. It's almost impossible. Is there even any candidate out there that has any CV that looks just a bit promising to fulfill those giant shoes of ours?
Maybe not set up expectations for Jim to have a magic wand, or else you'll get dissappointed. The best he can do is to do his best within the frame he's given. He can't get everything right, and getting all 5 points is unrealistic.
What's the gimmick of spelling out Sir James Arthur Ratcliffe FIChemE each time
United is a very well-run club commercially. However, we have two main issues. First, our football results are horrible. Second, we lack owners who think for the long term.
To fix the first problem, we need a new football structure, and as a german *********** said, we need an open-heart operation. To solve the second one, he should have a higher say on things such as whether or not to invest in new infrastructure.
To fix the first problem, we need a new football structure, and as a german *********** said, we need an open-heart operation. To solve the second one, he should have a higher say on things such as whether or not to invest in new infrastructure.
The first thing he can do is get the Mods to change that S.J.R autocorrect
1. Be present and visible:
Show up to games. Be around Carrington. It will make a big difference compared to the complete absence and apathy of the Glazers
2. Demonstrate that he actually has influence and a path to control:
We need to see and believe that he can make decisions and make a difference from the outset. We also need to see a route to his majority ownership
3. Engage with supporters:
Make vast improvements to the communication with supporters so that we all can feel included and bought in to the direction of the club.
4. Overhaul recruitment and football organisation:
Make significant changes to the football operation. Create new leadership roles with clear responsibilities, including a new scouting/recruitment engine. Reduced responsibility for the manager.
5. Define a 10 year vision to be the best football club in the world and a roadmap to get there:
Overhaul of infrastructure including stadium, training facilities. Best in class academy attracting and developing best local and nationwide talent. Leaders on new ideas and commercial opportunities
Show up to games. Be around Carrington. It will make a big difference compared to the complete absence and apathy of the Glazers
2. Demonstrate that he actually has influence and a path to control:
We need to see and believe that he can make decisions and make a difference from the outset. We also need to see a route to his majority ownership
3. Engage with supporters:
Make vast improvements to the communication with supporters so that we all can feel included and bought in to the direction of the club.
4. Overhaul recruitment and football organisation:
Make significant changes to the football operation. Create new leadership roles with clear responsibilities, including a new scouting/recruitment engine. Reduced responsibility for the manager.
5. Define a 10 year vision to be the best football club in the world and a roadmap to get there:
Overhaul of infrastructure including stadium, training facilities. Best in class academy attracting and developing best local and nationwide talent. Leaders on new ideas and commercial opportunities
Agree with all this. Especially after he’s given to leeches a lifeline to stay.
He can't do that one.
Great manchester lad Jim can only spend a limited number of days here, otherwise he will have to start paying tax in this country, and he's spent a fortune to make sure he doesn't have to do that.
Honestly think that if he is only 25% owner, he may have to be low profile and just let his team do the work. If he is seen at OT looking like he is taking the plaudits and acting like he is the full owner, it could rub The Glazers the wrong way. He will have to tread carefully.
We are already know The Glazers are thin skinned as apparently, they didn't like the Qatar comments about bring the club back to its glory years.
Also think they may have to keep the path to full control plans under wraps until it is done. Could impact share prices of publicly available stock.
Yeah that was my thoughts too
Get a proven, experienced, and proper directory of football. Not someone's mate that worked in the finance department of a major corporation. Don't give a shit about anything else.
I dont understand why everyone calls him Sir James Arthur Ratcliffe FIChemE . its like a joke eveyone gets except for me
It's a word filter.
Presumably because everyone going on about SJ and SЈR in the club sale thread was making it (even more) unreadable.
Give ETH a 10 year contract 
1. Makes no difference in reality
2. Very vague
3. Makes no difference in reality
4. Correct
5. It doesn't take that long. United don't need to grow or scale, we just need No 4. Assuming you sign 3-4 players a year and limit it to one dud a year which seems reasonable, we should be ready in 3 seasons max.
I take it you meant will not win but still.
The Glazers have been begging for minority investment for years. In fact prior the takeover they discussed the issue with Apollo and everything went tits up. The situation became pressing because of covid, high interest rates and mismanagement who basically ravaged the Glazers cash reserves. At present time the club is losing money (and had been doing so for quite some time) and its forced to take loans to buy players.
The fact that the Glazers focused mostly on Jassim and SJR shows that the minority deal option show that such option wasn't really an option in the first place. If you think that SJR and Jassim are ruthless/smart then you haven't seen Elliott in action. We're talking of a group who outwitted the Argentinian government and who seized Milan from under Li Yonghong nose. No wonder why the nepo babies were scared shit of making a deal with the likes of them.
The Glazers are desperate especially now that Jassim had pulled out.
I know they'd all be threatened with lawsuits etc, but I think a genuine wholesale strike, including players refusing to play, staff refusing to come into work, until the Glazers indicate they were selling would do it.
It would take something where the machinery of the club essentially grinds to a halt for any shard of consciousness to penetrate that veil of greed and hubris -it would have to be something that embarrasses them more than just stuttering results and ambient-mockery whilst the money roll s in, something where the heads of partner corporations would be directly contacting them. And the cnuts would still make bank on the sale - but who cares at this stage. Their relinquishing any control (and I wish we had an unanimous clarity about this) is honestly the only thing that sees us recover.
It would take something where the machinery of the club essentially grinds to a halt for any shard of consciousness to penetrate that veil of greed and hubris -it would have to be something that embarrasses them more than just stuttering results and ambient-mockery whilst the money roll s in, something where the heads of partner corporations would be directly contacting them. And the cnuts would still make bank on the sale - but who cares at this stage. Their relinquishing any control (and I wish we had an unanimous clarity about this) is honestly the only thing that sees us recover.
Why would they do that? They are all getting paid. The players are getting paid the biggest salary that someone of their quality would get.
With new owners, their jobs could be in danger.
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