I've seen it mentioned only as speculation. He was spectacularly bad, we may have hinted we wouldn't use him.
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I've seen it mentioned only as speculation. He was spectacularly bad, we may have hinted we wouldn't use him.
If Qatar are genuinely buying the club, then this connection probably has merit to it. At the moment though, it's pure speculation. Not sure about the connection to Dubravka though.
It would be just like the FA to draw a line in the sand on this potential takeover considering how they allowed the Glazers to buy us with borrowed money.
This is a fair line of speculation but the details around this sale are tighter than a Glazer's purse strings, so no one really knows
Dubravka asked to be recalled. And apparently is off to Leicester where I’d imagine he has a far better chance of starting ahead of Ward.
What no?
It was always in Dubravkas contract he could he recalled in Jan.
some of these conspiracy theories is worse rhan soap opera gossip columns
I really hope Qatar buys us and turns us into a formidable force again. I fear if they don't they will go for Liverpool instead and it will be extremely hard for us to compete against City, Newcastle and a Qatar backed Liverpool.
Anyway, this will be my last post in this thread. I have been warned by one of the woke elite mods that I am rustling too many feathers and I should leave if I know what's best for my user privileges. I am only allowed to reply if quoted. Goodbye and have a good new year everyone
Anyway, this will be my last post in this thread. I have been warned by one of the woke elite mods that I am rustling too many feathers and I should leave if I know what's best for my user privileges. I am only allowed to reply if quoted. Goodbye and have a good new year everyone
https://www.itp.net/news/482476-qatari-prince-guilty-of-child-sex
Additionally
https://metro.co.uk/2022/05/31/former-qatari-princess-found-dead-in-marbella-home-16745189/
https://www.thenationalnews.com/wor...ment-to-worker-as-example-to-others-1.1085127
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-63851215
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-10/fifa-world-cup-qatar-and-human-rights/101624010
https://english.alarabiya.net/featu...cumentary-on-Qatari-royal-s-criminal-lawsuits
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-10/fifa-world-cup-qatar-and-human-rights/101624010
Thank god that’s over, I was getting Christmas dinner with my daily mail reading parents flashbacks
woke elite mods ffs get a grip
Irony. Best of luck educating yourself on these matters
You don’t have to support the new owners financially if they’re from the ME I’m sure they have more than enough money. Just watch Utd on TV like most people outside Manchester do.
In general I don't give much money to the club these days, but I go to 5-10 games a year with my brother and father. I would find it a real shame to have to stop that tradition now because I don't want to support the new owners financially
I really thought we'd get a nugget or two on the sale by now but hopefully by next Friday something will leak.
I cannot see how this sale is complete by end of March and all information is private by end of Jan.
I cannot see how this sale is complete by end of March and all information is private by end of Jan.
You're fooling nobody with these 'absolute' arguments. I'd feel somewhere in-between where I would if they owned 0% and if they owned 100%.
Which they do to enable them to do terrible things without repercussions. It buys influence and power, which is protection.
Owning football clubs is a way of achieving soft power, it's why they own PSG and it's why they hosted the World Cup. They collect soft power because it allows them to operate on the global stage with less resistance. It's an abomination.
To be honest, I'm surprised at the tidbits we have been getting from journalists on this. I think everyone has been misled by how open Chelsea's sale process was. Things like this are usually airtight.
The Chelsea situation was much clearer as it was an enforced sale. The Glazers are very much still pretending they're just looking at the situation in various ways.
I actually genuinely don't understand at how fans like you decide a certain amount of Arab funding is a cut off point for you in supporting the club. The Glazers are total scum but we are all here still supporting Man Utd
"Which they do to enable them to do terrible things without repercussions. It buys influence and power, which is protection."
Mate they have protection from the USA and UK. Haven't they bought half of London in recent years. They don't need Man Utd to keep doing what they are doing.
Oh FFS. Here we go yet again. zzzzzzzzzz...
(Would insert the Grandpa Simpson gif if I knew how.)
(Would insert the Grandpa Simpson gif if I knew how.)
To be honest it only probably has to do with on the field performances , he was fog shit.
Also the Qataris and the Saudis are not on good terms as you said but I doubt they'd care about such a minute detail.
I'm sorry, but I find saying "whataboutism" is like the laziest way of making an argument. Usually used wrongly like when saying we were wrong to invade Iraq to kill bin laden.
Que?
Like I said, there's absolutely no way you don't legitimately understand why the Qatari government having a controlling stake in the club would be ethically more problematic than them having a non-controlling stake in the club.
Actually their main protection in the west is France, which they leveraged through the purchase of PSG. They also bought their vote for the world cup with arms sales.
If your argument is "sportswashing doesn't work and isn't a thing" then I'm afraid that's just a lack of education on your part.
At the risk of more whataboutism, that wasn't exactly the reason we invaded Iraq was it?
Of course it was weapons of mass destruction, innit
People talking about sportswashing, yet everyone watched the world cup in Qatar. Double standards...
Not quite.
Hence when I say when push comes to shove, for most people, they'll go back to watching Utd eventually. And for those that don't, all credit to you.
this is one of the reasons sportswashing is effective though, because a large number of people become involuntarily complicit in these states actions by doing something they’ve always loved like watching the World Cup or support a team
You keep saying that but I genuinely don't understand why you would support a club who takes large amounts of Qatari or Saudi money through sponsorship but completely turn off the club if the they ended up buying it.
Them having a controlling or non controlling stake in the club doesn't change the fact of where the money came from and what it helps do (if you believe the stories about their wrongdoing).
Mate who the hell are France protecting? They can barely help Ukraine who is basically on the doorstep. Their is only one major power and its the USA. Read this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar–United_States_relations
This comments are always so stupid
Because for example one of Bayern Munich' biggest sponsor is from Qatar.
We are a proper top club with or without owners from Qatar.
Paris, Manchester City and Newcastle are proper clubs too but they wouldn't be top clubs.
Because winning a game of football is more important than not being a tool to sports wash the reputation of cnuts?
Not everyone. I cant speak for anyone else, but I didnt watch that dog shit. And I sure as shit will walk from this club is we get bought up by these cnuts. Some things are more important that football. Its one thing to have connections, it's quite another to be owned and operated by them.
This whole debate is a bit tiresome but where I think the sports washing argument has some merit is the fact that once these guys buy the club and start investing and local jobs and prosperity is linked to their goodwill, one way or another, there would be reluctance and perceived pain from throwing them out or sanctioning them.
Just look at what is happening with the EU corruption scandal at the moment. Qatar have been caught red-handed bribing the EU and they're threatening them because they know they are a key supplier of gas after Putin's 'operation'.
Punishing Qatar for any perceived wrong-doing will inevitably bring pain and as much as Western politicians and vocal Twitterists liked to virtue-signal to high heaven, I am yet to see anything tangible.
One example I'd give is the Dutch King attending the World Cup. So much was made in the press about this LGBT right or that, so much talk from the football team but once FIFA threatened yellows, everyone folded like a cheap beach chair.
In the UK, imagine if all the Russians got properly sanctioned consistently with the propaganda in the press - West London house prices would become affordable for millionaires again, not just billionaires.
At the end of the day, it's hard to pass moral judgment on folks earning minimum wage in these times and finding a rare solace of happiness in supporting their football club and the prospect of it being owned by a non-parasite for the first time in 17 years.
Just look at what is happening with the EU corruption scandal at the moment. Qatar have been caught red-handed bribing the EU and they're threatening them because they know they are a key supplier of gas after Putin's 'operation'.
Punishing Qatar for any perceived wrong-doing will inevitably bring pain and as much as Western politicians and vocal Twitterists liked to virtue-signal to high heaven, I am yet to see anything tangible.
One example I'd give is the Dutch King attending the World Cup. So much was made in the press about this LGBT right or that, so much talk from the football team but once FIFA threatened yellows, everyone folded like a cheap beach chair.
In the UK, imagine if all the Russians got properly sanctioned consistently with the propaganda in the press - West London house prices would become affordable for millionaires again, not just billionaires.
At the end of the day, it's hard to pass moral judgment on folks earning minimum wage in these times and finding a rare solace of happiness in supporting their football club and the prospect of it being owned by a non-parasite for the first time in 17 years.
Don’t Qatar own psg ? Or have I got that wrong ? And if so would they be allowed to own two clubs ?
The utter state of this.
I don't think anyone should be telling other supporters that they should or shouldn't continue to support the team no matter who takes over, it's no one's business other than that supporter if they want to do it.
Me personally, no I wouldn't be happy with some of the possible outcomes of owners, but as @Compton22 pointed out earlier in the thread, I don't think it's possible for a club going for the price ours is going to go for to get new owners that aren't going to have some serious skeletons in their closet. So even though I won't agree with them taking over, I'll put up with it and continue to support the team itself. But each to their own of course.
Me personally, no I wouldn't be happy with some of the possible outcomes of owners, but as @Compton22 pointed out earlier in the thread, I don't think it's possible for a club going for the price ours is going to go for to get new owners that aren't going to have some serious skeletons in their closet. So even though I won't agree with them taking over, I'll put up with it and continue to support the team itself. But each to their own of course.
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I don't think I even believe in the concept of sports washing anymore. If anything it heightens the attention on these regimes
I would bet that some, if not all of the American owners are probably Republican or support the GOP, who are pretty much lowlife trash and culpable for different reasons. There are just varying degrees of evil attributable to most owners.
Them having a controlling stake in the club clearly enables them to operate the club in the way that is beneficial to that end which they wouldn't be able to do with a sponsorship or a non-controlling investment.
Like I said, I refuse to accept that you are incapable of seeing that distinction even if you disagree with it. There is an inescapable tipping point where the club is being run for the benefit of a state, this isn't a difficult concept to grasp.
Qatar need a very different type of help than the kind Ukraine does. They have a much closer relationship than the US and Qatar https://www.lemonde.fr/en/m-le-mag/...s-of-advantageous-friendship_6004912_117.html
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