Fecking disgrace of a board and owners, leaving a young coach to carry the burden of the entire huge club on his shoulders, not even backing him in the window.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
Fecking disgrace of a board and owners, leaving a young coach to carry the burden of the entire huge club on his shoulders, not even backing him in the window.
The managing of the managerial position has been an absolute disaster from start to finish.
The issues around keeping and not keeping ten Hag are well known, but I can not fathom why they were so keen to ensure Amorim comes in mid season, even paying extra I do believe, knowing that he would want to play this new formation and then given him absolutely no help in January to achieve it.
I thought the idea was that we didn’t want to write the season off and appointing Amorim was supposed to be the way to get back to being competitive, instead; they’ve managed to write the season off anyway, but also to drag Amorim’s credibility with it leaving him with the task of fixing this in the summer, when he originally wanted to start, with far less credit in the bank.
Add in to it the vindictiveness that INEOS have hacked away at basically everything else, and there’s nothing I can point to to make me hopeful that we will see any success ever under this lot. At best, we’d be lucky to return to a point where we’re as bad as we were under the Glazers.
The issues around keeping and not keeping ten Hag are well known, but I can not fathom why they were so keen to ensure Amorim comes in mid season, even paying extra I do believe, knowing that he would want to play this new formation and then given him absolutely no help in January to achieve it.
I thought the idea was that we didn’t want to write the season off and appointing Amorim was supposed to be the way to get back to being competitive, instead; they’ve managed to write the season off anyway, but also to drag Amorim’s credibility with it leaving him with the task of fixing this in the summer, when he originally wanted to start, with far less credit in the bank.
Add in to it the vindictiveness that INEOS have hacked away at basically everything else, and there’s nothing I can point to to make me hopeful that we will see any success ever under this lot. At best, we’d be lucky to return to a point where we’re as bad as we were under the Glazers.
You think Amorim would have come in the summer? Surely he was on the list and sounded out? We were interviewing the likes of DeZerbi and Frank.
Would that have meant our horrible mish-mash of a squad would have suddenly been able to play Amorims system? Would that have solved our lack of football intelligence and physicality/endurance? I doubt it. Results since Amorim were appointed show where we are at as a squad.
Ashworth was rightly hailed as a very good hire when he was appointed. Try to remember these are humans we are talking about and humans don’t always get on/work out in a given situation. They have been proactive and resolved the situation before it became a serious issue. Hardly clueless.
This is just silly. If they weren’t doing this work it would be another millstone to hang round sir Jim’s neck.
Who was available? Who would you have signed?
The lack of interest in this transfer window is disappointing, but I suspect the PSR situation is disastrous. Still, Amorim is being hung out to try and it might even be the squad ends up being 'lesser' after the transfer window closes.
The signs of a club quickly going down the shitter.
The signs of a club quickly going down the shitter.
Ineos have destroyed the whole morale of the club.
I have huge issues with the 343 formation. But they knew that was the system he plays. Why bring him in with a squad tailored to a 433 and then not fecking back him at the first opportunity?
Could they not bring money forward from the summer budget to buy a couple of wingbacks ffs? It’s incompetence if the highest order.
They are probably looking to sack him in the next month or two (if results don’t improve) and that’s why they are not spending money on the players he needs.
It’s an utter shit show.
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Doesn't something get announced in June. Is that PSR. Agree that it could be we are not in a good situation.
I'm glad he came in mid-season. Theoretically it gives him 6 months to experiment with the squad and then go into the summer knowing exactly what's needed.
Or on the flip side, we lose every game between now and May, discover he's not the man for the job and hire a new manager in the summer. Sticking with Ten Hag wasn't an option and interim managers are almost always an unmitigated disaster.
We were warned about this from Nice fans.
I just don’t see any light at the end of the tunnel at the moment. So many things wrong at present.
You're post is full of excuses, it isn't worth replying
But are you seriously asking me which strikers and midfielders were available in the summer? And want me to come up with names to prove like that it was impossible? - Don't be silly, I ain't playing that stupid game
Oshimen went on loan to the turkish league and killing it, where were we. But yeh you asking me for names is hilarious.
I think they are reactionary feckers and make Woodward look like Fiorentino Perez. First they kept an inept coach because of a second rate Cup win. The process surrounding the decision was embarrassing and made ETH a lame duck.
The biggest question is Amorim showed he wanted to take the step up from before the end of the season, to an extent of even speaking to West Ham of all clubs, thus indicating his availability, so how did we not hire him if our reason for keeping ETH was that there is none better? The money spent on ETH's players would have been handy if it was spent on the coach we wanted.
During the summer we needed as many players as we could get especially the ones ready to contribute from the get go. Making Yoro our most expensive signing of the summer when he is so far from competing at this level and we needed so many players actually ready to play is utter madness. Nothing against the lad but £60m gets you far.
Then we finally reach January, we have seen the disaster unfold so why aren't we backing the manager? Because of PSR, because of cash flow? Do these people know that the implications of doing nothing are far worse that being docked 15 or 20 points? We have lost about 21 points since Amorim stepped in, we could lose 20 more if we don't help him and the team with wingbacks, a striker and a midfielder so it's the same case.
If its a cash thing then Ineos need to step in because we will lose more through failure in prize and sponsorship money.
Perhaps it's that old chestnut, " No value in the market ".
I get that this comment is driven by the emotion of losing a game of football, but this should honestly be a ban. Crazy comment.
We are in this position, and INEOS are having to do what they are BECAUSE of the Glazers.
Would you rather the club continues to be a loss making entity and ultimately go out of business?
Like its your job to scout attackers. These people are unreal.
It's ridiculous, what if I have no names this winter or next summer, uh oh manutd can't buy anyone then, we're screwed lads.
They never left. They`re just insulated from the heat - for now.
This is a comment I can understand, it does kinda feel that way but was morale really that great to begin with? Were we all ( fans and employees) skipping around with delight before Evil Lord Ratscrooge and his INEOS minions came and struck us down? I’m not so sure.
A very good point.
Are you for real?
The club is in it's worst shape since our relegation in the 70's and these donkeys are hiding behind a 39 years old coach that they did not even back once.
Yes. Anybody who has lived through the last 11 years and has a brain in their head shouldn’t be wishing the Glazer ownership on any club.Eh? A ban for that??
He was obviously being sarcastic as they're still in charge mate
I am not going to descend to this level of commenting, but if you can not read the sarcasm in the phrase, then I can not help you.
Yep. The club was doomed long before they came along. Buying Man United in 2023 was like buying the Titanic after it had already hit the iceberg. Are they doing a good job? Absolutely not. Would we be better off with 100% Glazer control? Again, absolutely not.
Somebody needs to find a way to stop the rot at the club. I know we half joke about it, but the club is on the kind of trajectory where relegation isn't an impossibility in the next few seasons. As things stand we're on course to get 45 points this season.
Brother I know, I am being sarcastic.
It seems like INEOS just went for the latest young up and coming manager without doing any kind of due diligence so we now have a manager who's system doesnt work with our players, im sure who's decision it was to appoint Ruben but I believe Dan Ashworth was against his appointment and was sacked as a result.
Apparently we could have appointed Ruben last summer but decided against it so what changed between last summer and his appointment in November?
Absolute joke these owners are scared stiff of PSR whilst City flaunt wealth in our faces
My big worry with going for Amorin and his 434 system is what happens if/when it goes so bad we sack him? Do we stick with the 343 system now we've potentially bought and sold players to suit it, or do we go back to 443/4231 whatever we tried in the past?
The appointment was always a huge gamble and let's be honest, it looks like it's maybe the wrong man and the wrong time. ETH set us back years, but this appointment going belly up could send us down and beyond repair.
We were far worse than anyone believed under ETH. Ineos panicked.
You are asking all the right questions.
All the questions that Manchester United should have been asking since Sir Alex retired but didn't.
Hence why we ended up buying players for a 352 under Van Gaal, who then got stranded when he changed his mind. As well as possession players who suited him but were totally unsuited to Mourinho's need for pace and power.
INEOS pushed the idea that they'd bring a 'game model' last season. We expected there to be an idea of how they wanted to play and for them to recruit coach and players to suit. If that game model genuinely exists these questions should have clear answers...
...but do any of believe it actually does?
This is a club that spent millions on a Director of Football they fired after less than six months. Doesn't speak to there being a well developed vision that we are building towards.
I mean, from the sounds of his interviews, Amorim signed up for the job on the basis there was no money to spend in January.
"We don't have that possibility in January. You know the situation better than I [do]. It's not the case I am not arriving here and I can spend a lot of money, changing all the team. You know the situation so it's not a point to talk about it." — Amorim, 31st December
Surely we can afford a couple of loan signings so we can at least get more of an idea before we spend millions in the summer ffs. Just being hung out to dry otherwise.
Speaking on the 2nd January Carl Anka said on TOTD
Which I think is a good summary of the situation. It doesn’t matter what system we play, we don’t have a coherent balanced squad. We have a selection of talented individuals.
Given that position then we might as well try to build sustainably for the future with a promising young coach.
Obviously we need investment in the squad, but with all that has gone before this will be a slow process. There is no magic bullet here.
Rooney left us in the summer of 2017.
The drop in quality since 2022 is staggering.
This is a great analogy, and so true.
The ONLY reason for the Glazers strategic review was because they had run out of cash and needed help to keep their ATM afloat.
I agree here, but nobody should be wishing for the Glazers whether sarcastic, in jest or otherwise.
I used to make a lot of well-researched posts on here in the earlier days - consume data and get a story through. I'd stopped because most of them had reactions like this - a pedantic pick at something completely inconsequential to the point being made, and often due to something out of my control. Very few posters had the intent or the attention span to engage with the whole narrative. Your response is a funny throwback.
You're not wrong, of course - Rooney did leave in July 2017. It has nothing to do with the point of the post - which is that the quality of our forwards has taken a dive off a cliff - but it is not wrong. I included Rooney there because I used transfermarkt, went through each squad for the last decade, looked at the CFs, and added them here. The 2017/18 squad had Rooney listed in it, so he ended up on the list. The list has other shortcomings, too - Rashford was not listed as a CF on the website, I've not included the likes of James Wilson or Angelo Henriquez - someone else will come along to point that out, I suppose.
I used to go ahead and make edits and corrections - then stopped bothering. Don't think I'll bother now, either - Onana's howler and the club in general has broken me and turned me to the dark side.
Yeah was a truly horrendous decision
Ashworth wasn't even employed by the club at the time, so that rumor strikes me as the club trying to save face.