Club ownership | Senior management team talk

How have we been bought twice by people/businesses who don't actually want to invest their money in the football club.

Jim paid bit money to line the Glazer's pockets and then decided there was no more for the actual football club.

Why then appoint a manager mid-season, seemingly without the appetite to support him in his first transfer window.

All this while putting ticket prices up for fans.

INEOS have been nothing short of a disaster so far, every wrong decision that could be made has been, starting with them getting into the bed with the Glazer's.

What I don't understand from the PL "fit and proper" director tests... if you wanted to purchase a club by placing the debt on the club like the Glazer's did, that wouldn't be allowed now. So why is it acceptable to buy into the club, paying billions to the Glazer's with very little going on the club and the debt not being touched? It's all disgusting.
 
Sticking with ETH in the early start of the campaign whilst giving him more millions to fart into the wind has been , without question , the biggest and dumbest move they've made since they came in.
 
Ineos was so dumb to keep ETH but even Amorim comes in at the beginning of the season, I don't think will be challenging anytime. ETH destroy this cub in his first 2 seasons with United. How can a manager be given so power say in who he wants? We went after these players with premium transfer fee.
 
They are rubbish,

You don't need time to assess competence when it comes to senior management in executive positions especially corporately. That's why reputation stands for so much in these fields but if we just assess their strategic decision making all of them have been disastrous.

I can't name one good decision INEOS have made not one. I'm not talking about commercial interests or what they are doing with the equity situation and the Glazers but solely their footballing operations. It's been one bad choice after another. Half expecting them to make a mess of the stadium rebuild on top of it, I wouldn't even trust them with overseeing it's development.

Erik did not reward himself an extension, he didn't determine the course of events to survive the summer. Those were decisions that were beyond his influence. It doesn't matter if 90% of fans were wrong backing the manager (after the cup win), as senior leadership you make decisions on the basis of projections so critical thinking is needed and most fans aren't expected nor have the responsibility of doing so.

Then there's the current situation with Amroim, hiring a manager who has such a drastic change in system between his predecessor and then not having the players to accommodate such a change, all the while, being restricted by PSR to not make amendments in the closest window.

Berrada holds the blame for that being it was almost briefed Ruben was his choice. Could he not see that Garnacho is a throwback winger who doesn't have much variation to play on the inside, or that Amorims system uses a pivot and Mainoo isn't suitable to partner Ugarte as it's not his profile as a player.

The only player who fits the glove is Amad and we can't even praise the hierarchy for being adept because he's only now become a breakout player during Amorims transition. Garnacho, Bruno, Zirkzee, Mount and Hojlund can't play that 10 position at a respectable top 6 level. Rashford / Anthony are deemed surplus to requirements so the manager clearly doesn't rate them. That's almost every single attacking player being unable to conform to the demands of the system. Once again that predicament falls on the feet of INEOS / Berrada they should have demonstrated more foresight.

There's a reason why every new manager that came in under the Glazers required a new rebuild each time, a 'revolving door acquisition policy' and it's because the Americans were poor in their framework for measuring change and knowing how to cultivate planning so the transitions are smoother in practice. INEOS are just as incompetent.

Time will guarantee their demise they are absolutely useless.
 
They’ve been a complete and utter unmitigated disaster so far. They’re making the Glazers look half competent.

Sadly there were plenty of people who followed their previous sporting investments, who warned us about this.

Just complete amateur hour on and off the pitch. Pricks.
 
Redstain said:
They are rubbish,

You don't need time to assess competence when it comes to senior management in executive positions especially corporately. That's why reputation stands for so much in these fields but if we just assess their strategic decision making all of them have been disastrous.

I can't name one good decision INEOS have made not one. I'm not talking about commercial interests or what they are doing with the equity situation and the Glazers but solely their footballing operations. It's been one bad choice after another. Half expecting them to make a mess of the stadium rebuild on top of it, I wouldn't even trust them with overseeing it's development.

Erik did not reward himself an extension, he didn't determine the course of events to survive the summer. Those were decisions that were beyond his influence. It doesn't matter if 90% of fans were wrong backing the manager (after the cup win), as senior leadership you make decisions on the basis of projections so critical thinking is needed and most fans aren't expected nor have the responsibility of doing so.

Then there's the current situation with Amroim, hiring a manager who has such a drastic change in system between his predecessor and then not having the players to accommodate such a change, all the while, being restricted by PSR to not make amendments in the closest window.

Berrada holds the blame for that being it was almost briefed Ruben was his choice. Could he not see that Garnacho is a throwback winger who doesn't have much variation to play on the inside, or that Amorims system uses a pivot and Mainoo isn't suitable to partner Ugarte as it's not his profile as a player.

The only player who fits the glove is Amad and we can't even praise the hierarchy for being adept because he's only now become a breakout player during Amorims transition. Garnacho, Bruno, Zirkzee, Mount and Hojlund can't play that position. Rashford / Anthony are deemed surplus to requirements so the manager clearly doesn't rate them. That's almost every single attacking player being unable to conform to the demands of the system. Once again that predicament falls on the feet of INEOS / Berrada they should have demonstrated more foresight.

There's a reason why every new manager that came in under the Glazers required a new rebuild each time a revolving door acquisition policy and it's because the Americans were poor in their framework for measuring change and knowing how to cultivate planning so the transitions are smoother in practice. INEOS are just as incompetent.

Time will guarantee their demise they are absolutely useless.
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I agree.

I thought we would be first by now and winning the champions league by Christmas, now it hasn’t happened I want Ratcliffe sold.

Sanchez from Licence to Kill would be my shout. He rewards loyalty and punishes poor performance. Plus he has beef with Dalton, who is a blue. I know running a drug empire is wrong and all, plus he’s fictional unlike Sheikh Jassim, but Brighton fans were really mean to us and I am sick of it.

Ineos Out.
 
Malone_Post said:
They’ve been a complete and utter unmitigated disaster so far. They’re making the Glazers look half competent.

Sadly there were plenty of people who followed their previous sporting investments, who warned us about this.

Just complete amateur hour on and off the pitch. Pricks.
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Honestly, I'm sitting here and thinking to myself that the Glazers have showed more consistency in how they've run things from a footballing standpoint. Under Ole, Jose and LVG couple cup wins and a few top four finishes.

The trajectory of INEOS is heading to an unmitigated disaster. I have seen enough, a little overboard but I'm hoping the current predicament for Jim is that detrimental that he considers redacting his interests.
 
Malone_Post said:
They’ve been a complete and utter unmitigated disaster so far. They’re making the Glazers look half competent.
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Because they sacked ten Hag? Because they hired Amorim? Because they appointed Berrada and Wilcox? Because they are renovating the training ground? Because they are making moves to build a new SOTA stadium? Maybe you object to them signing deligt, Ugarte, Zirkzee or Yoro?

How exactly have they been an unmitigated disaster? In what way do they make the Disneyland Glazers look competent? Please, do tell.
 
Plant0x84 said:
Because they sacked ten Hag? Because they hired Amorim? Because they appointed Berrada and Wilcox? Because they are renovating the training ground? Because they are making moves to build a new SOTA stadium? Maybe you object to them signing deligt, Ugarte, Zirkzee or Yoro?

How exactly have they been an unmitigated disaster? In what way do they make the Disneyland Glazers look competent? Please, do tell.
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Question: Because they sacked ten Hag? Because they hired Amorim?

They've done that too late - should have been in the summer. This ultimately ruined this season

Question: Because they appointed Berrada and Wilcox?

They've also hired Ashworth, then got rid - shows they didn't have a single fecking clue

Question: Because they are renovating the training ground? Because they are making moves to build a new SOTA stadium?

Yeh - like that's something to look forward to when we're in a mess right now. We winning a trophy for that?

Question: Maybe you object to them signing deligt, Ugarte, Zirkzee or Yoro?

Zirkzee.... haha

Where was the actual striker this summer? Where was the midfielder that could control games? Where was the improvement in our attack?

It was a poor summer window because it was too defensive minded

Open your eyes - it's been a disaster so far
 
Plant0x84 said:
PSR/FFP isn’t overcome by pumping in millions. Balancing the books is the issue, not spending power.
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I’m amazed this isn’t common knowledge, the amount of guff people come out with about Sir Jim throwing the cheque book at our problems.
 
Berbaclass said:
They totally fecked our season when they decided to keep ETH.
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It was a free hit anyway. They always maintained they wanted to give ETH the support structure and see if he could perform because they acknowledged that Murtough and Arnold weren’t it.

They did that, he failed and they moved to appoint Amorim. Hindsight is a beautiful thing.
 
Plant0x84 said:
It was a free hit anyway. They always maintained they wanted to give ETH the support structure and see if he could perform because they acknowledged that Murtough and Arnold weren’t it.

They did that, he failed and they moved to appoint Amorim. Hindsight is a beautiful thing.
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Are you serious?
 
Berbaclass said:
They totally fecked our season when they decided to keep ETH.
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They fecked it even more when they replaced him a manager who's playing style is zero percent compatible with most of our squad, especially when they knew they wouldnt be able to back him in the January window.

INEOS should have done their homework and tried to find a manager with a style that suits our squad.
 
I can just imagine all the staff let go as part of efficiency are sleeping soundly, knowing that their sacrifice is turning the club around with such clear results!

All the while the multimillionaire players face absolutely zero accountability for their performances.

We’ll still be paying Rashford, Antony etc wages long after they’ve left the club.
 
They are clowns. They haven't a clue what they are it. We are lucky the bottom 4 are so weak or we would be in a relegation fight.

Every big decision has been wrong and every signing has been terrible to average at best. They are no better than the old regime. In fact they are probably worse. At least Woodward and Ole gave us moments fc.
 
Relegation could unironically be how we get rid of the Glazers, and most of the players. This team is awful, has been for a long time.

We are well on the way to becoming the next Leeds, and I don't think we can stop it at this point.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
They fecked it even more when they replaced him a manager who's playing style is zero percent compatible with most of our squad, especially when they knew they wouldnt be able to back him in the January window.

INEOS should have done their homework and tried to find a manager with a style that suits our squad.
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That is the crux of the problem. The timing was awful. As someone said whoever recommended keeping ETH in the summer has wrecked the club. Why couldn't they find a manager in the summer to replace ETH, they tried it seems. Were the conditions impossible to work in? Did most manager realise they couldn't do much with this squad either? They didn't want Ruben then, but go and get him mid-season to work with a bad squad and then no money to spend in January. It is worrying. They made this decision they now have to back the manager and help him build his team. Otherwise they will look even more idiots than they are looking now.
 
pcaming said:
Relegation could unironically be how we get rid of the Glazers, and most of the players. This team is awful, has been for a long time.

We are well on the way to becoming the next Leeds, and I don't think we can stop it at this point.
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Think there are too many teams to make sure that won't be happening.
 
They tell him now or never and get him in before his preferred start date, give him the worst United squad in the history of the Premier League, and now are quiet as a coffin in his first transfer window when the squad is screaming for goalscorers and wing backs.

Their silence and passiveness is cowardly as feck. Irrespective of what you think of EtH and his impact on the team, he was left to the wolves before and after the FA cup final, and they didn't say a word to support the manager they eventually gave a one-year contract to. They're leaving another manager to the wolves here - here's the worst set of circumstances, go fend for yourself while we sack the tea ladies, fire more non-playing staff, and hike up ticket prices in a leaky stadium.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
They fecked it even more when they replaced him a manager who's playing style is zero percent compatible with most of our squad, especially when they knew they wouldnt be able to back him in the January window.

INEOS should have done their homework and tried to find a manager with a style that suits our squad.
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Yes and look at the case study of an ownership who made that decision with Liverpool.

This isn't glazing their club by any means but rather assessing how important it is to think critically, they interviewed Amorim I believe and then decided not to go through with him due to being unsure if his demands would fit their concurrent squad. Your telling me between Jim, Berrada, Wilcox and co no one thought of the current teams compatibility with the style of a new imposing manager.

That level of effective decision making on FSG's behalf has proven so effective, they haven't even signed a single player in the first two windows of the new managers tenure and are top of the league.

Yes, Klopp left Slott a better squad compared to what Amorim inherited at United but if FSG didn't do their due diligence (as United clearly haven't) Liverpool could look half the team they are at present if there was no cohesion between who they hired and the players they have available.
 
Put Manchester back in United,

Goes on to fire half the club, then plan to get us relegated.

We are sorry Glazers, please come back.
 
Redstain said:
Yes and look at the case study of an ownership who made that decision with Liverpool.

This isn't glazing their club by any means but rather assessing how important it is to think critically, they interviewed Amorim I believe and then decided not to go through with him due to being unsure if his demands would fit their concurrent squad. Your telling me between Jim, Berrada, Wilcox and co no one thought of the current teams compatibility with the style of a new imposing manager.

That level of effective decision making on FSG's behalf has proven so effective, they haven't even signed a single player in the first two windows of the new managers tenure and are top of the league.

Yes, Klopp left Slott a better squad compared to what Amorim inherited at United but if FSG didn't do their due diligence (as United clearly haven't) Liverpool could look half the team they are at present if there was no cohesion between who they hired and the players they have available.
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That is what baffling. What style do Ineos actually want. I don't think they actually have a clue. The managers they supposedly interviewed in the summer, would love it if someone could say who they all were, didn't seem to play the same way, but apparently Amorin definitely wasn't it. Why couldn't they find somebody. The business about spending. This club since SAF just spends money for show, absolutely no planning involved.
 
Redstain said:
They are rubbish,

You don't need time to assess competence when it comes to senior management in executive positions especially corporately. That's why reputation stands for so much in these fields but if we just assess their strategic decision making all of them have been disastrous.

I can't name one good decision INEOS have made not one. I'm not talking about commercial interests or what they are doing with the equity situation and the Glazers but solely their footballing operations. It's been one bad choice after another. Half expecting them to make a mess of the stadium rebuild on top of it, I wouldn't even trust them with overseeing it's development.

Erik did not reward himself an extension, he didn't determine the course of events to survive the summer. Those were decisions that were beyond his influence. It doesn't matter if 90% of fans were wrong backing the manager (after the cup win), as senior leadership you make decisions on the basis of projections so critical thinking is needed and most fans aren't expected nor have the responsibility of doing so.

Then there's the current situation with Amroim, hiring a manager who has such a drastic change in system between his predecessor and then not having the players to accommodate such a change, all the while, being restricted by PSR to not make amendments in the closest window.

Berrada holds the blame for that being it was almost briefed Ruben was his choice. Could he not see that Garnacho is a throwback winger who doesn't have much variation to play on the inside, or that Amorims system uses a pivot and Mainoo isn't suitable to partner Ugarte as it's not his profile as a player.

The only player who fits the glove is Amad and we can't even praise the hierarchy for being adept because he's only now become a breakout player during Amorims transition. Garnacho, Bruno, Zirkzee, Mount and Hojlund can't play that 10 position at a respectable top 6 level. Rashford / Anthony are deemed surplus to requirements so the manager clearly doesn't rate them. That's almost every single attacking player being unable to conform to the demands of the system. Once again that predicament falls on the feet of INEOS / Berrada they should have demonstrated more foresight.

There's a reason why every new manager that came in under the Glazers required a new rebuild each time, a 'revolving door acquisition policy' and it's because the Americans were poor in their framework for measuring change and knowing how to cultivate planning so the transitions are smoother in practice. INEOS are just as incompetent.

Time will guarantee their demise they are absolutely useless.
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Redstain said:
Yes and look at the case study of an ownership who made that decision with Liverpool.

This isn't glazing their club by any means but rather assessing how important it is to think critically, they interviewed Amorim I believe and then decided not to go through with him due to being unsure if his demands would fit their concurrent squad. Your telling me between Jim, Berrada, Wilcox and co no one thought of the current teams compatibility with the style of a new imposing manager.

That level of effective decision making on FSG's behalf has proven so effective, they haven't even signed a single player in the first two windows of the new managers tenure and are top of the league.

Yes, Klopp left Slott a better squad compared to what Amorim inherited at United but if FSG didn't do their due diligence (as United clearly haven't) Liverpool could look half the team they are at present if there was no cohesion between who they hired and the players they have available.
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If someone can present a compelling case against you I'd love to hear it. Simply to give myself hope for the future as a Man Utd fan.

Nothing about how the club's been run presents any real grounds to feel like a turnaround is on the horizon in the near term.
 
Gandalf Greyhame said:
They tell him now or never and get him in before his preferred start date, give him the worst United squad in the history of the Premier League, and now are quiet as a coffin in his first transfer window when the squad is screaming for goalscorers and wing backs.

Their silence and passiveness is cowardly as feck. Irrespective of what you think of EtH and his impact on the team, he was left to the wolves before and after the FA cup final, and they didn't say a word to support the manager they eventually gave a one-year contract to. They're leaving another manager to the wolves here - here's the worst set of circumstances, go fend for yourself while we sack the tea ladies, fire more non-playing staff, and hike up ticket prices in a leaky stadium.
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The manager is being completely hung out to dry.
 
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