I don’t think we’d even win games with 4-3-4
Club ownership | Senior management team talk
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
We are so bad even a 434 wouldn't help
But agree woth your point re the lunacy of bringing him then not supporting him during this window
No problem.
Not sacking Ten Hag
Backing him with 200m on new players
Only to then sack him a few months later
Hiring a manager who’s system is completely at odds to the squad we have
The Ashworth debacle
Raising ticket prices
Mass staff redundancies
The constant PR disasters
Withdrawing staff bonuses & charity donations
It’s been a complete shitshow from start to finish. It was never this bad under the glazers. And they were useless cnuts too.
They are going to have to act now, I think we’ll see an acceleration in trying to get 3 or 4 out in some capacity and couple of players in.
I suspect an element of short term pain for gain in the medium/longer term was expected but not this much.
That money spent in the ETH tenure on top of the shit show we already were was an absolute killer and there’s no guarantee it’s getting better anytime soon.
I suspect an element of short term pain for gain in the medium/longer term was expected but not this much.
That money spent in the ETH tenure on top of the shit show we already were was an absolute killer and there’s no guarantee it’s getting better anytime soon.
Totally agree. I think it’s going to get much worse with Ineos as well.
It's not exactly rocket science: Because we're more shit at football than we ever were when the Glazers' stooges were in control of the football side of things. Unbelievable as it may be. It's quite incredible, really.
Yeah absolutely nailed it with this post, that's exactly why us and Spurs aren't in a relegation fight, firmly INEOS out but sadly no one can afford to buy the club due to those leeches
Keeping ETH at the end of last season was just a bizarre decision. That’s not even in hindsight, either. It was clear as day he needed to be moved on and someone else have the chance to mould the squad. Don’t give ETH more money for fecks sake.
Pure idiocy, and it’s on the club management once again. We’ve swapped one useless ownership structure for another.
Pure idiocy, and it’s on the club management once again. We’ve swapped one useless ownership structure for another.
If only SJR had committed enough money to get rid of all the club debt, we would have no issues with PSR etc due to no money being wasted on interest payments. His purchase of the club seems more and more like another nail in the coffin. He simply doesn't have the resources to compete with some of the state owned clubs.
I don't think it works that way.
I thought the rule was that on a 3 year cummulative period, your losses can't be over a certain amt? You're probably right, but I think the point stands. Glazers and previous management have saddled the club with too much debt, and with interest rates where they are, it is costing a lot to service this debt. We need a much bigger cash injection via equity from SJR.
Yeah they have hung Ruben out to dry in his first transfer window and that's absolutely shambolic
I hope INEOS start to do something in the transfer market now as its long overdue and after us being told players like Rashford, Casemiro, Antony, and Zirkzee were heading out this month we havent moved any of them on yet and havent made so much as a loan signing either.
Wasn’t there a clause when Ineos came on board of purchasing the club in full within 18-24 months or Ratcliffe being forced to sell if someone else came in and bid what the Glazer’s would accept ? You kind of pray that the Qataris would come back in or someone along those lines so we can rid ourselves of both the Glazer’s and Ineos for good.
Yeah he's overpowered by them, so please don't ever consider going for majority ownership
The Qatari’s couldn’t buy it last time so it’s not going to happen now. The club isn’t as coveted as everyone thinks, it’s massively over priced and requires huge funding.
It’s not going to be a quick fix just have to hope INEOS can start making headway at some point in the summer.
Those of us who opposed his minoroty takeover saw this from a mile away. He's nothing but a Glazer enabler, the lifeline to keep the gravy train going for the parasites just as they were on their knees.
We need an overhaul the way Arsenal did it under Arteta. Which takes a lot of funds and scouts and decision makers that now what they are doing financially and from the football side. I don't know if INEOS bring any of that.
Their handling during the summer was a giant problem. A massive problem where it makes you doubt them going forward.
And the worst thing is you could see it coming by looking at his other sports investments
What if it was Ashworth driving it all as sporting Director, and that’s why they let him go?
I can't stand Ratcliff. He adds no value to the club. The whole thing was because his ego made him think he can do better than the Glazers, but he adds absolutely nothing. He even made us look worse.
He has no plans to remove debt or invest in a new stadium, so we're probably looking at adding more debt. The Glazers could've hired and fired a new football director without his help.
He has no plans to remove debt or invest in a new stadium, so we're probably looking at adding more debt. The Glazers could've hired and fired a new football director without his help.
I'm sure Ashworth gave his opinion but keeping ETH was definitely a group decision.
How many people thought Arsenal had it until they started doing well again?
I think Nice fans had already warned us that IENOS are poor owners. Fans were too desperate for Glazers to go and they welcomed a greater devil, worse is that Glazers are still there.
I wish this fecker brought Chelsea.
I feel disgusted going back on my stance, however we need to find a real sheikh not the fake one in Jassim
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Grim. Well and truly. Worst attack I have ever seen us have since I could understand what a lineup was.
I'd be interested in knowing what worse ones we've had in our entire history than the last 2yrs.
Yeah and we got clearlake instead, heck they might have actually been willing to clear debt too
shit management team talk would be a more appropriate thread title for the last 10 years
feck the glazers, that’s the only thing else I have to contribute
feck the glazers, that’s the only thing else I have to contribute
Ineos struggled to manage a small club like Niece in the French league, why are people surprised with how bad they've been?
If they don't act in the market this month, the R word will be with us till the end of the season
If they don't act in the market this month, the R word will be with us till the end of the season
We got screwed because the Glazers didnt sell to the Qatari's. At least the Qatari's would be good for the money and have taken care of the debt and made us better financially.
Ineos are just cost cutters.
Ineos are just cost cutters.
For what it's worth, your effort is appreciated and the descent into despair is clear with just a glimpse of your compiled data.
I used to make a lot of well-researched posts on here in the earlier days - consume data and get a story through. I'd stopped because most of them had reactions like this - a pedantic pick at something completely inconsequential to the point being made, and often due to something out of my control. Very few posters had the intent or the attention span to engage with the whole narrative. Your response is a funny throwback.
You're not wrong, of course - Rooney did leave in July 2017. It has nothing to do with the point of the post - which is that the quality of our forwards has taken a dive off a cliff - but it is not wrong. I included Rooney there because I used transfermarkt, went through each squad for the last decade, looked at the CFs, and added them here. The 2017/18 squad had Rooney listed in it, so he ended up on the list. The list has other shortcomings, too - Rashford was not listed as a CF on the website, I've not included the likes of James Wilson or Angelo Henriquez - someone else will come along to point that out, I suppose.
I used to go ahead and make edits and corrections - then stopped bothering. Don't think I'll bother now, either - Onana's howler and the club in general has broken me and turned me to the dark side.
I've removed Rooney from the 2017. Of course you have the power to edit your own post, but I have a sense you won't out of protest for a perceived slight?
Anyway, if people weren't losing their minds on here, there'd most likely be more acknowledgement of the post.
Yeah it's due to those leeches putting a ridiculous price on our heads, no wonder none of the big NFL/NBA guys came to the table
One thing is for sure, if we are to move forward now with Amorim from a messy Ineos takeover, the player recruitment and prices have to be spot on. Szoboszlai is maybe a good example, another is Gykores going to Sporting for 20m 25 years old while we're spending 70 mill on a more limited 20 year old. We have too many young players and knackered old ones or just ones for the scrap yard.
I remember we were in for Gakpo. I posted at the time he'd be good to move Rashford out for when he loses his pace. Now part of a Liverpool front 3 while we have a couple of 20 years olds and a 300k Rashford that can't be arsed.
The money wasted has been obscene and we can't continue like that. The club did get the debt down to around 300m but has since shot up to around 800m in recent years before Ineos. We desperately need to get a handle on spending and getting players off the books. It's going to take 2-3 years whether Ineos are capable or not and really it starts about now after the messy transition.
The club is trying to move players out but there's not much interest. Casemiro and Antony is £150m wasted and no-one wants to give us much for them.
I remember we were in for Gakpo. I posted at the time he'd be good to move Rashford out for when he loses his pace. Now part of a Liverpool front 3 while we have a couple of 20 years olds and a 300k Rashford that can't be arsed.
The money wasted has been obscene and we can't continue like that. The club did get the debt down to around 300m but has since shot up to around 800m in recent years before Ineos. We desperately need to get a handle on spending and getting players off the books. It's going to take 2-3 years whether Ineos are capable or not and really it starts about now after the messy transition.
The club is trying to move players out but there's not much interest. Casemiro and Antony is £150m wasted and no-one wants to give us much for them.
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Yeah you are absolutely bang on
and trying to loan our players away in winter window which serves absolutely zero purpose
we need $ to fund players
our squad is thin
loaning senior players away is stupid and serves zero purposes but just weaken ourselves.
those "stock preservation" argument are stupid. we loan players away because they are not good enough, it is counterintuitive and self defeating that we believe that they will do well in the borrower club to get higher transfer value.
I thought we already had enough bad experience loaning lingard, martial and vdb away, who have collectively helped us recouped 0.5m transfer fee.