Club ownership | Senior management team talk

The handful of people I know still at the club in the catering department took the redundancy and then went back as casual staff, like yourself they can take it or leave it, but i hear its becoming more reliant on expensive agency staff, I'm not sure the Ineos maths is mathing if it's a similar pattern in other departments.

My work place has evolved into this. It's basically because they don't pay enough and it's got really bad reviews from people who have worked there prior. They literally cannot keep staff and even when they put ads out for roles no-one wants the job.

Now it's full of agency workers who actually cost more. It's madness
 
How were Clearlake able to spend a billion in 3-4 windows without PSR hampering them? Ineos better find their chequebook and a way around these rules or we are proper fecked.
Long-term contracts and a lot of lucrative player sales
 
How were Clearlake able to spend a billion in 3-4 windows without PSR hampering them? Ineos better find their chequebook and a way around these rules or we are proper fecked.
Because bum lickers like Murtough paid 60M for the likes of Mason Mount.
 
In June 2025 they can force him to sell his shares if they agree a deal with another buyer worth at least the same per share that INEOS bought them for if SJR doesn't match it.
Nobody matched SJR in the 18 months prior. Hard to imagine someone jumps in now and pays massively over the odds.

$33 minimum per share.
 
My work place has evolved into this. It's basically because they don't pay enough and it's got really bad reviews from people who have worked there prior. They literally cannot keep staff and even when they put ads out for roles no-one wants the job.

Now it's full of agency workers who actually cost more. It's madness
The normalisation of treateing loyal hardworking staff as dispensable is something I'll never understand. Removing experienced full time staff which a place like OT needs more than anywhere due to the complexity of the place you then lose the next tier which is often the most important the casual staff that work a circuit of stadiums and bring a huge level of experience and dependability and who can oversea the necessary evil that is agency staff, that's the blueprint for every other stadium and Ineos feel they can do without it, it's failing, a one star and now a two star food hygiene level for a place that asks £2000 per head in many areas is insane.
 
Management are going to have the hardest month in their lives this January. They need to shift many players who can free us money to spend: Rashford, Casemiro, Zirkzee at least. Can they do it? Nothing to suggest they have a clue what to do.
 
Management are going to have the hardest month in their lives this January. They need to shift many players who can free us money to spend: Rashford, Casemiro, Zirkzee at least. Can they do it? Nothing to suggest they have a clue what to do.

There's no chance they can shift Zirkzee without taking a huge PSR hit. He's only 6 months into his contract.
 
Had a United Pie today. What the feck have INEOS done to it. There was no meat in there. Another secret cost cutting by the cnuts.
 
Management are going to have the hardest month in their lives this January. They need to shift many players who can free us money to spend: Rashford, Casemiro, Zirkzee at least. Can they do it? Nothing to suggest they have a clue what to do.
You could be the best in the business in fairness and you're going to struggle to shift the Rashfords and Casemiros without basically buying them out of their contracts. 24 months ago you might have got someone in Saudi to put up the wages but who is going to want to pay them even 50% of their current now?
 
You could be the best in the business in fairness and you're going to struggle to shift the Rashfords and Casemiros without basically buying them out of their contracts. 24 months ago you might have got someone in Saudi to put up the wages but who is going to want to pay them even 50% of their current?
I think both could tempt Saudi clubs and the current malaise at the club could work in our favour in seeing them jump ship. Zirkzee I think would be happy to leave now. We live in hope because without any of these movements we are fecked.
 
How were Clearlake able to spend a billion in 3-4 windows without PSR hampering them? Ineos better find their chequebook and a way around these rules or we are proper fecked.
They used loopholes in the rules that by now have been closed (like extremely long contract durations to lower annnual amortization).
 
Good thing INEOS sacked the one adult in the room who knows how to run the football side of a club because he had the audacity to tell that the emperor had no clothes.
 
They used loopholes in the rules that by now have been closed (like extremely long contract durations to lower annnual amortization).
Any injection of capital into United is also much more messy, since Ratcliffe doesn't own 100%.
 
In June 2025 they can force him to sell his shares if they agree a deal with another buyer worth at least the same per share that INEOS bought them for if SJR doesn't match it.

But can Ineos buy the Glazers remaining shares for less if the club continues to bomb until June?

Trying to make sense of what's going on, and the current Ineos wrecking ball to try and get the remaining shares for a chunck less might be it.
 
It always seems like it can’t get worse but somehow always does

Surely if we manage to shift a couple of players money will be available?
Surely if we sell Rashford and Garnacho for close to 90 million we can buy two other players in return. Casemiro going as well according to twitter.
 
Good thing INEOS sacked the one adult in the room who knows how to run the football side of a club because he had the audacity to tell that the emperor had no clothes.
Do you think of Ashworth? Sacking him was absolutely right, chasing him was a massive blunder feom the beginning. A club in need of a massive clearout signing a DoF who has zero experience in sacking underperforming staff was a predictable disaster and in my opinion is the main reason why EtH was allowed to stay, why the squad was even further optimized for him and why United's season is going as badly as it is.
 
I don’t understand why he would come mid season if he knows that he isn’t going to be able to bring in some players in the January window. Not a smart move in my opinion. It shows his lack of knowledge and experience with the Premier League and the leagues demands…

If he isn’t able to bring in some players, I’m not sure he’ll survive til the next window.

I want his to stay and given time but our club’s higher ups just keep making bad decisions after bad decisions. Hope they see that they need to back this manager in the January window now that they have decided to bring him in. Otherwise, the manager change just doesn’t make much sense at all!
 
I don’t understand why he would come mid season if he knows that he isn’t going to be able to bring in some players in the January window. Not a smart move in my opinion. It shows his lack of knowledge and experience with the Premier League and the leagues demands…
Because he believes that he can make this squad work with his system. It's a sign of confidence. If it's reasonable confidence remains to be seen however, it's not looking very good right now.
 
Fans need to get heavily behind a 'sack the board' campaign.
It's gone from bad to worse since Ineos took over. There's zero sign of improvement, money wasted on transfers, good players giving up, etc. This is now an absolute shambles.

But they will turn things around -- at any costs. They always do.

Past is prologue.

Just look at their records with their other clubs in the multiple sports. Yachting to F1; to football to F1 etc. After taking over the teams/clubs, they have always thrived and built sustainable platforms of success. That's why I am super optimistic that they can do it.

Best of Breed is Sir Jim's motto.
 
It always seems like it can’t get worse but somehow always does

Surely if we manage to shift a couple of players money will be available?
That’s essentially what he said.

Can’t see us unloading who we need to for anywhere near the money we need to buy players.

Hoping we can sell some buildings or land to a sister company like Chelsea did.

Flog the land we own to Ineos for over the odds then get them to lease it back to us for £1
 
Fans need to get heavily behind a 'sack the board' campaign.
It's gone from bad to worse since Ineos took over. There's zero sign of improvement, money wasted on transfers, good players giving up, etc. This is now an absolute shambles.
How would sacking Berrada and Wilcox help? Also, it’s been 6 months. Feels a hell of a lot longer but Berrada and Ashworth only started work in July.
 
But they will turn things around -- at any costs. They always do.

Past is prologue.

Just look at their records with their other clubs in the multiple sports. Yachting to F1; to football to F1 etc. After taking over the teams/clubs, they have always thrived and built sustainable platforms of success. That's why I am super optimistic that they can do it.

Best of Breed is Sir Jim's motto.
Their record with their other football clubs is underwhelming. If anything it shows that not all sports are equal and what makes you successful at sailing might not make you successful in football.
 
How would sacking Berrada and Wilcox help? Also, it’s been 6 months. Feels a hell of a lot longer but Berrada and Ashworth only started work in July.

and in that time they’ve brought in a manager to implement an entirely new system part way through a season despite never having given any inclination of wanting this system in place previously.

Even Woody would have winced at that one.
 
Why INEOS?
I've lost a good amount of confidence in them after they retained ETH when it was obvious he was going to fail.

And their prior work at Nice didn't fill me with much confidence prior to them taking over.

That said, it's still early. Maybe they turn it around in the summer.
 
and in that time they’ve brought in a manager to implement an entirely new system part way through a season despite never having given any inclination of wanting this system in place previously.

Even Woody would have winced at that one.
This season is clearly unimportant to them, from the moment they gambled on Erik.
 
Maybe they will if we can convince them they are costing too much unnecessary money?! :confused: :lol:

Only way that happens if relegation happens and they sell off while the value doesn't drop further down.

But we're not getting relegated, so it's a moot point.
 
and in that time they’ve brought in a manager to implement an entirely new system part way through a season despite never having given any inclination of wanting this system in place previously.

Even Woody would have winced at that one.
Exactly. He would have done that change in the summer because EtH failed to qualify for the CL. Which would have been a more reasonable approach.

And I don't believe Woodward was any good at the football side of business, but he still was better than what we have seen recently.
 
I've lost a good amount of confidence in them after they retained ETH when it was obvious he was going to fail.

And their prior work at Nice didn't fill me with much confidence prior to them taking over.

That said, it's still early. Maybe they turn it around in the summer.

Throw in their affiliation with Team Sky and Mercedes F1 since they got involved with either, you can understand a lack of confidence. Still better than the Glazers