Ashworth was right in hindsight. These people are clueless. Wasted 25m on changing managers knowing that they got nothing to back the new one in January.
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He hasn't done the sailing world any favours either really.
The fundamental issue is keeping Ten Hag on during the summer instead of giving a new manager time to have a preseason and unlearn all that chaos shit Ten Hag was enforcing. They’ve given Amorim the worst possible start to his United career.
From one broke owner to another. We’re doomed
It seems that there's no money to spend in January
Brexit Jim is as abhorrent as the Glazers. He can’t read the room, doesn’t understand the fans and has no empathy. It’s so bad.
Source?
you’re “pretty sure” about this yeah?Good job we sacked ashworth for suggesting the squad didn't fit a 343 and we should get a proven Premier league manager otherwise we could be in a real mess
The issue is persisting with Ten Hag in to the new season. It's such a baffling stupid decision that has cost a ton of money and completely destroyed this season and made the transition for Amorim impossibly difficult.
Exactly. As though get yet another manager and it will all click, there is a severe lack of quality and stamina. Maybe we need a new playing staff rather than coaching staff.
For all you know Ashworth advocated keeping Ten Hag because he wanted to replace him with Southgate as soon as it was possible.
This.
Keeping Ten Hag beyond last season was a horrendous decision, even the timing of sacking him was incredibly poor. Bringing in Amorim who plays a completely different way at a time where he has zero time on the training pitch and a huge fixture build up is insanity.
This squad doesn't fit any system.
Amorim said that in his post-game interview
Choosing not to go for a manager because this squad isnt suited to his style, when 3/4s of the squad is shite and needs selling anyway would be a weird move. Not a great defence of Ashworth if that's the case.
Where would a proven Premier league manager playing a 451 take us? Back to 8th? Maybe 6th? Real shame we lost Ashworth and his creative thinking
Winning the cup final bought ETH more time. Had we lost, he would have been launched. Winning the cup might have actually done more harm than good. It’s widely reported Amorim wanted to join United next summer. He’s been forced to join a disaster early.
They have lost the benefit of the doubt much quicker than I thought they would. Not looking good at all with them at the helm, it is very hard to make sense of so many of their decisions so far.
Difficult to answer. They actually spend most of their money running community programs - which typically amounts to supplying football coaches and health education to schools and youth groups in disadvantaged areas. They use one of those charity audit schemes to assess what they're doing - which suggests that in terms of health (mental and physical) education and the outcomes they do a good job with the money.
In other words most of the money goes on staff - a hundred of them including ten who run the matchday fundraising lottery at OT for example. Basically if you said they spend on fundraising and coaches you won't be far wrong.
United are reckoned to provide about £2m of money (out of the £7m total income last year).
There's 700k of "donations in kind" in there from United because United provide services like IT support, conference rooms on days when they run their workshops at OT.
They run the Girls Football Academy for United - a requirement for the women's team to be in the WSL.
They also manage things like donations of autographed goodies to charity auctions on United's behalf and those player hospital visits we see. In other words they do admin/filtering on the requests United get from good causes etc.
So, it's a charity, but it's also United's community outreach scheme and a PR supplier.
Ashworth wanted to keep ten Hag. Big reason why we're in the current mess.
Anyone blaming Amorim for this is being stupid. We should've followed through with the decision to sack ten Hag and appointed Amorim in the summer. We would be in a much better position right now.
By all accounts Ashworth had no suggestions when asked to identify a new manager, and any names he threw out there he couldn’t justify. So not sure what you lot are on about that are making out he had it all worked out.
To be fair, he also advocated for Southgate who isn't a proven PL Manager. The squads just rubbish, zero attacking threat. The really poor decision was sticking with ETH through the Summer.
Really don't buy there was any truth to that, smacks of a lazy rumour given their previous links. Ashworth would have known how unpopular that would have been.
Agree on ten hag, decision was compounded by staffing 200m on players that mostly don't suit the new system
Maybe Ashworth felt changing manager should not be top of the agenda at that time and that other things needed fixed before bringing in a new manager? Certainly doesn't seem like changing manager has changed things for the better anyway.
And that's such a terrible way to do it. We where horrendous last season. Playing ping pong chaos ball, yet a single final was enough for them to give him more time, even though they where openly searching for a replacement.
And then they could have done the reasonable thing and let Ruud finish this season and starting with Amorim after next summer, but no. Let's create more chaos and completely change system, even knowing that we can't dip in to the market in January.
Ineos are really doing their best to win the most incompetent owners of the year award.
They fecked up in sailing, cycling but at least Nice hasnt been relegated. These guys seem to suffer from the classic case of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
Not to mention he was one that thought ten Hag deserved more time. Bizarre that some United fans are trying to make it out like if we had followed his methods we would be better off. The reason why we're in this mess is because we decided to keep ten Hag.
By all accounts that have emanated from the club after he was sacked and they were trying to make themselves look less ridiculous. We don't know what happened but based on ineos' record in sport I will assume they are entirely incompetent
It was a fecking dumb decision and the club knew it which is why they started searching for a replacement soon after he signed that extension. Should've listened to Wilcox who by all reports was the one not keen on ten Hag instead of listening to the likes of Ashworth who reportedly showed his support for ten Hag while he was on gardening leave and was happy to give him more time.
He wasn't even in post when that decision was made so that is obviously nonsense. That decision was made by Sir Jim and Brailsford.
I am not saying I am a big fan of ashworth but I would trust him more on football matters than the people we have making decisions
Depends if they can take the hit on the TV money.
No it's not nonsense. Read the Athletic articles, United had communication with Ashworth while he was on gardening leave and he wanted to give ten Hag more time.
For me it's not about Ashworth, Beradda or Wilcox. For me it's about Jim and Mr Marginal gains. As long as they have so much influence we are in trouble. When I heard it was Jimbo doing the interview with Tuchel I got really worried that we would become Nice 2.0. But I guess we are way worse already
It hasn't changed things because we changed too late. It certainly would've helped if we had done it in the summer when the new manager has time to work with the players and implement his style of play. Amorim said last week he's only had about four real training sessions so far. We were going nowhere under ten Hag, it was painfully obvious last season. The best case scenario we were looking at under him was a mediocre league campaign and possibly go another cup run. The club should've ignored the calls to keep him and followed through with the decision to sack him.
That could well be the case, but the decision that INEOS made was to keep him at the start of the season as they couldn't see an obviously better option. To then go for the managerial change during the season is one thing, but to go for a manager who wants to play a totally different system/formation half-way through a season just seems madness. Not doing the team or new manager any favours in the short or long term.
Thank you for taking the time to explain. From memory United work with UNICEF etc. Am somewhat shocked that the Utd foundation only raises £5m per annum ex the club given the impact of gift aid and matching donation schemes. Considering the global fan base it is a surprisingly small number as at other clubs people make bequests in their wills etc. Not a dig at the people working for it just feels the potential is not being captured.
At smaller clubs, there are several cases where club and associated foundations are at odds. Often to do with division of responsibility/control.