Feels weird but I think the Glazers in some ways sort of cared more about how they looked than these plonkers. I genuinely don’t get their pathetic penny pinching tory ways.
Club ownership | Senior management team talk
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The Glazer's still own the club. That's part of the problem with this situation is that they've now got a useful idiot in Ratcliffe, for whom firing lower paid people and generally being a cnut is like viagra, to do this shit for them. It's the worst of both worlds.
Ugh I'm stuck at a family do with Liverpool fans, Spurs fans and even Wolves fans. And I'm having to endure a lot of stick.
Absolutely hate having to put up with shit constantly from EVERYONE.
Absolutely hate having to put up with shit constantly from EVERYONE.
If they wanted all this sort of shit to happen before, it would have. They had bloody Woodward to be their puppet. This is INEOS thinking. Glazers are still awful, still there, but this shift in operations isn’t a coincidence, this is simply how Brexit Jim and his clan operate.
I'm going to Qatar again in a few weeks, I'm pretty sure that I know where the Sheikhs office is, shall I knock on and ask him to takeover?
No, you're right in that this is driven by Ratcliffe but my point is that in the end they will still approve of this stuff. It's a benefit for them that they've now got a minority owner with this sort of thinking.
Of course they did because they were robbing the club blind, needed to keep the fans their box so they could continue to grow the commercial side to finance their debt and pay their dividends.
When the going got tough just sack the manager, or buy a big name player to keep everyone quiet.
Lets also be fair here, the Glazers are still the majority owners of the club, so all these decisions reflect just the same on them aswell.
The Glazers are like the absentee landlords who have let the house fall into ruin, Sir Jim is the one who turfs out the single mother and her three kids on Christmas Eve because someone’s offered him fifty quid a month more for the rent.
The Glazers are greedy morons, Sir Jim is a stingy cnut. There’s more chance of the club getting fixed under the latter but it doesn’t feel great.
There’s also a fairly high chance that SJR sucks the soul out of the club while also failing at fixing it so there is that.
Merry Christmas everyone.
The Glazers are greedy morons, Sir Jim is a stingy cnut. There’s more chance of the club getting fixed under the latter but it doesn’t feel great.
There’s also a fairly high chance that SJR sucks the soul out of the club while also failing at fixing it so there is that.
Merry Christmas everyone.
If that’s the case then why did they not do this in the 20 odd years they’ve been running the club?
Far be it from me to attempt to defend anything those goblins did during their time as our owners, but it is okay to say that big Jim has been worse than them in some aspects. I didn’t think I would ever find myself saying that, but here we are.
Tory, Brexiteer, Billionaire...they’ve all had the country’s pants down for the last 20 years and now we've found a man who can claim all three and guess what?
He will have had Manchester United’s pants down from the moment he walked through the door
Getting the feeling he would have fired Kath on reception for spending too long chatting to the players rather than working.
Club had lost its soul even without becoming a sport washing enterprise
As I said their motive for the club was to pay their debt and fill their pockets, the only interest they had was to grow the commercial side, and it has to be remembered they took over the club with a healthy financial position and assests in the team to sell, sadly thanks to them Ineos haven't got that luxury.
I'm not happy with this kind of thing Ineos are doing, but then again I'm not buying all these constant negative stories about them, they'll make some mistakes, but will also be making some good decisions, just no one wants to hear about them right now.
And as I have said the Glazers are majority owners still, so why not just pull rank and tell SJR this isn't happening, or even step forward and pay for it out of their own pocket?
What a very Rachel Reeves thing to do.
The simple truth is that United isn't a football club. It is a business. United is controlled by it's owners, not by it's members. There isn't a single club in the Premier League, it's just a bunch of entertainment companies. Complaining about a business being managed like a business is a bit weird in my opinion.
Do you remember how many on here were against Qatari ownership?
We’ve effectively replaced Murtough with a director of football lifted from the championship (Wilcox), and replaced Arnold with Berrada, who seems to want to have footballing input in the mode of Woodward. Vivell on a temp basis over recruitment.
I’m just not convinced yet that this is the best in class football structure we were promised. I’d hoped Ashworth would be the overarching brain to coordinate it all but it seems all the eggs are in the Berrada/Wilcox basket now and I’m not convinced yet that they have a cohesive plan
I’m just not convinced yet that this is the best in class football structure we were promised. I’d hoped Ashworth would be the overarching brain to coordinate it all but it seems all the eggs are in the Berrada/Wilcox basket now and I’m not convinced yet that they have a cohesive plan
I stopped reading at “lifted from the championship” - good lord
Well done. Any actual points or counter argument to make or is that it?
Happy Qatar don't own us and unhappy Ineos and the Glazers are involved. Wish they'd all do one.
The 'local people' rant would work better for you if you weren't championing a dictatorship with far worse records on labour rights than the Labour voting Jim Ratcliffe.
You never had him.
Tory, Brexiteer, Billionaire...they’ve all had the country’s pants down for the last 20 years and now we've found a man who can claim all three and guess what?
He will have had Manchester United’s pants down from the moment he walked through the door
The 'Tory' schtick doesn't work when you want far worse to take over.
Still am, and always will be.
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SJR really isn’t a popular man right now with our fanbase. He better come with the same penny pinching energy when January comes and sell off all the players on massive contracts costing millions. He better not start handing out huge contracts when he’s penny pinching like he is.
Casemiro, Maguire, lindelof, Antony, shaw, rashford, MM all a major waste of money and costing millions.
Casemiro, Maguire, lindelof, Antony, shaw, rashford, MM all a major waste of money and costing millions.
I thought INEOS weren’t in charge of that side of the business? It’s starting to feel like the media is just stirring the pot, but it’s a ridiculous decision nonetheless.
If I’m playing devils advocate slightly, I’m wondering why the club is scrimping so much. Are we in worse financial position than we know? These seem terrible decisions to be making from a PR standpoint, and they will obviously know this. So why?
Some of this would be considered charity too, so financially I believe it has some benefit. It doesn’t make sense as to why they bothered about figures that are a drop in the ocean relatively speaking.
If I’m playing devils advocate slightly, I’m wondering why the club is scrimping so much. Are we in worse financial position than we know? These seem terrible decisions to be making from a PR standpoint, and they will obviously know this. So why?
Some of this would be considered charity too, so financially I believe it has some benefit. It doesn’t make sense as to why they bothered about figures that are a drop in the ocean relatively speaking.
That sounds like Jimmy the Rat in a nutshell
Ratcliffe will be hated more than the Glazers.
I actually believe the Glazers weren't aware of the smaller expenditures or were just happy to pay for them as the commercial side was very profitable.
Ratcliffe comes in, rips out the heart of the club, makes questionable decisions, basically kills off a trust for ex players and raises costs quite substantially for fans.
Yes the Glazers made bad mistakes with the dividends and were slow moving with the times in terms of modernising the club.
But good god, purely from a moral perspective Ratcliffe is 100x times worse already. The guy is no true fan of the club that's for sure.
As ST holder, I hate Ratcliffe more so already, and mumblings from the regulars around me/us also suggest unrest.
I actually believe the Glazers weren't aware of the smaller expenditures or were just happy to pay for them as the commercial side was very profitable.
Ratcliffe comes in, rips out the heart of the club, makes questionable decisions, basically kills off a trust for ex players and raises costs quite substantially for fans.
Yes the Glazers made bad mistakes with the dividends and were slow moving with the times in terms of modernising the club.
But good god, purely from a moral perspective Ratcliffe is 100x times worse already. The guy is no true fan of the club that's for sure.
As ST holder, I hate Ratcliffe more so already, and mumblings from the regulars around me/us also suggest unrest.
Fans better get used to Jim. Not too long now until a majority takeover is on the cards. Next 6 - 18 months will reveal all.
Except he's not getting money from that rent and he already burned through hundreds of millions just to get sporting control that he's never going to recover.
Of course mate. I don't deny this. Just thought I'd give you some context in relation to their cash expenditures
Well INEOS has a say as a minority shareholder but the cost cutting program would require overall board approval (basically Glazer consent).
It's easier for the Glazers to do the ugly stuff now with INEOS there to catch the flak. The club reckons it can reduce expenditure by about 40m a year if the exercise is implemented in full. That's obviously more than what can be achieved by the redundancies alone, so anything discretionary is probably on the chopping block.
Anyone expecting anything to get done in the Jan window is wishful thinking. I don't think we've got any money AT ALL
What mistakes did they make?
Yeah, let's ignore the millions in debt the Glazers have put us under
We ended last season with 270 million loss for the 3 year period and had significant cash flow issues for years.
That’s the thing, based on what we know these decisions are Glazers decisions, yet INEOS are catching the flack. The fact the media don’t even mention the Glazers says it all - their playing our fanbase like fiddles.
I haven’t been a fan of these decisions made, but it just seems ridiculous at this stage that INEOS are being blamed when we’ve never been told that they have the authority to make these decisions. The opposite, in fact. I’m intrigued as to where that £40m figure is coming from as the cost cutting exercise we know about isn’t anywhere near that figure. But it almost makes a bit more sense if that’s the sort of numbers we’re talking about, though I’d rather save a bit less money and still keep some of the things they’ve got rid of.
I just feel like the press are trying to play us against the club to cause unrest, and we’re allowing it to happen. I don’t agree with any of the decisions, but they’re so ludicrous that there has to be more than meets the eye with it all. I’m guessing we’re just in a far worse financial state than we realise.
OK there you go. It explains why some hard decisions are probably being made.
A lot of those decisions are probably still driven ideologically by Ratcliffe and are much more cruel than they are useful, but portraying him as greedy is just a really weird approach when he's a person that burned a lot of money for this club already and it's getting people that caused this entire chaos off the hook.
Well they might claw back £3.30 if Jim gets rid of the bog roll.
The terrible finacial position we are in is published for all to see
Don’t be silly.
Problems with Old Trafford, Carrington and Women's Team facilities have been reported for years. There was a ton of skimping, it's just that nobody was surprised that incompetent twats who deluded themselves into thinking that they grew this club over last 20 years don't care about standards.
And still are. Let’s not get misunderstood here. You can be dissatisfied with progress and still be vehemently against Saudi ownership/state ownership