God you’re a joy
Club ownership | Senior management team talk
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No harm in just enjoying each other's company, forget misery for couple of hours and celebrate a festival. Such things matter to keep up moral and teamwork.
Otherwise what next? Paid loos for staff?
Otherwise what next? Paid loos for staff?
He means Brailsford obviously but the linked tweet also has additional insight into org structures. Generally the owner is very interested in running the business and is effectively the CEO of Man Utd despite what the titles say. He's not leaving the management upto a professional CEO (Berrada).
So effectively, Berrada executes Ratcliffe's vision. Ashworth would basically do some of what Ratcliffe / Berrada are currently doing. He's not a recruitment specialist, and hence the too many cooks comments.
Exactly. Do the Christmas Party, make a little speech, fire them up to bounce back next year as one unit, heighten the morale and mood.
But as that would be the right decision INEOS appear to be doing the opposite again.
Sometimes I like to be the "told you so guy", so: Told you the whole Ashworth saga was a mistake and he wasn't worth the drama.
What are the best odds on Amorim being sacked before the end of the season?
If Sir Jim is being an interventionist owner, there must be some chance of him waking up on the wrong side of bed after United losing.
If Sir Jim is being an interventionist owner, there must be some chance of him waking up on the wrong side of bed after United losing.
This is such a dumb take, first off the Christmas party would be for the staff, they aren't the ones on 300k a week refusing to work hard or shitting the bed infront of the goal, if anything the business side of this club seem to be the only part that is working, how else are we still one of the top money makers while the football team wouldn't even rank in the top 20 teams in europe and what is SJR's genius plan on the business side, lets fire a bunch of people, cut their perks and even take away something basic as a christmas party, that will definitely motivate the people actually doing their jobs well to do better because who doesn't like being blamed for shit they have nothing to do with, if Jim the genius wants to punish someone maybe start with himself and his drug cheat lickspittle, they are the ones who decided to keep Ten Hag, they are the one who decided to sign off on the players, they are ones who hired Ashworth and then fired him a few months later, the accounting staff or the people responsible for logistics or whatever haven't done anything to be screwed over by the Football savant that is Jim Ratcliff.
People can put their head in the sand and pretend all they want that this improvement and decisive and how they are putting in a structure, but the fact is, Jimbo and co ran laussane badly , have done absolutely nothing with nice, and are continuing their streak with Utd, because in the end, running a football club isn't the same as running a chemical company and firing the people people who earn 100-150k a year won't really solve the problem when you are keeping the idiots who make that in a week and aren't really that good at their jobs.
I'd say extremely remote. They stuck with EtH for that long, and if they they sack Ruben before the season ends that would signal to the rest of the world that Sir Jim has truly lost his marbles. Nobody decent will ever want to come work for us.
As sad as it is..
They ( everybody employed by United) are part of why we are here. In unprecedented position. It's not by mistake we are 13 position. We finished 8th last season.
The fans have done their job in paying top dollar to attend games which end up in United coffers.
Ratcliffe has put in his billion to the club.
Everybody else associated with the club, other than those two players( fans + Ratcliffe) have not spent even a dime to United. They eat from that money poured in by fans & the owner.
When tables are turned do you think, Rashford or Bruno would put his 50M to redevelop Carrington? Which they can afford? The answer is no.
Do you know why Chelsea was successful during Ambramovic era, because he was ruthless as much. Do you know why Ambramovic was ruthless? Because he did put his own billions to the club.
When your own money is on the line, you won't tolerate joyriding. As such Ratcliffe is doing that.
As fans we should be very supportive of this new way of being.
Even Rio has voiced his support in the ruthlessness
Bet this video gets taken down quicker than Gregg Wallaces pants.
As dumb as it may, probably it's because it's not your money being spent.
When your business ( United here)
1. Making losses.
2. Lacks required cash flow
3. Doesn't achieve its objectives and targets ( football results)
4. Has higher expenses than corresponding output
I believe you will act like Ratcliffe. No matter how small the action seems, the effect is double way.. Either real or by perception
If I were in his position I wouldn't have taken many of the calls he is taking, he is making classic new hired ceo going quarter to quarter who is there to make the balance sheet look good calls, except he is the owner and should be looking long term.
The money they paid to get and then fire Ashworth or the mid season firing of ten hag after triggering his 1 year additional clause will be a lot more than all the money they saved from firing those poeple or saving on employee food or raising ticket prices for elderly and children, what he is doing is damaging the brand for a few bucks.
Glazers are horrible football owners but one thing they did understand well enough is utd's brand value, since they are too skint to spend on the stadium and tv deal weren't really impacted by them, they focused on the commercial deals and for commercial deals you need a great image, it wasn't through generosity of their hearts that the club didn't raise ticket prices or paid people without furloughing them, its basic business 101, if you want people to give you money to shill their products to your customers, don't make your customers hate your product or dislike being associated with it.
Does SJR want ROI?
I know he's rich, but surely not enough in order to buy the whole of Ireland.
Just Dublin then
Yes, I fear for him. Maybe not by the end of the season, but maybe by next Christmas. Ineos and SJR seem very unstable and reactive.
I knew he wouldn't replace him. He's only concerned with cost cutting.
If true..
If true..
It's a shit source but I've said it before, I would not be surprised if Wilcox replaces Ashworth on a permanent basis with Vivell heading the recruitment side. They mentioned it on Talk of the Devils, it feels like Ratcliffe is putting all his eggs in the Berrada basket and he will structure the club to fit his vision. Wilcox is obviously his man.
I have no problem with them getting rid of Ashworth. If he didn’t work out, then the earlier you cut him out, the better.
But the vision of the structure seems blurred currently. Will be interesting to see who takes over key tasks.
But the vision of the structure seems blurred currently. Will be interesting to see who takes over key tasks.
Mates with Berrada.
That is very worrying.
FFS, really?
Fergie was after Modric big time before Madrid came in for him but Modric wanted to stay in London rather than go to Manchester.
Real came in for him and his head was turned and maybe he just loves to play in big cities and obviously a great club so fair play.
I do too, too many chefs, is too much for a club like Manchester United a club that is disorganized and in disarray, they need to ensure the structure in place (Barrada, Wilcox, etc...) is given full autonomy and allowed to lead without interference from Jim & INEOS.
if it is true that Jim is directly running the show, then yes, Amorim is at risk losing his job, we do not know exactly what the minimums are required from Amorim, but if Jim thinks he won't get there, he will let him go too.
Its a shame that egos got in the way, because I think Ahsworth would have turned things around eventually.
The players we bought this summer have all worked out except Zirkzee. Ugarte, Mazrroui and De Ligt were good signings. Yoro was a coup albeit still raw. Only zirkzee hasnt yet proved himself.
The issues at this club stems from the bad transfers from previous managers that we are unable to sell.
The players we bought this summer have all worked out except Zirkzee. Ugarte, Mazrroui and De Ligt were good signings. Yoro was a coup albeit still raw. Only zirkzee hasnt yet proved himself.
The issues at this club stems from the bad transfers from previous managers that we are unable to sell.
INEOS achievements since taking over football matters
1. Absolutely botched the Ten Hag question
2. Massive redundancies in mainly low paid staff roles
3 Unceremoniously booting the club legend and greatest manager that ever lived for the equivalent of 6 weeks of Rashfords wages
4. Dreadful recruitment in the summer
5. Wasted millions on a failed DOF
6. Tried to blag taxpayers money for a new gaff
He’s a proper Tory is Sir Jim, seriously what have they got right ? Also where is Brailsford in all of this ? He anonymous . . .
1. Absolutely botched the Ten Hag question
2. Massive redundancies in mainly low paid staff roles
3 Unceremoniously booting the club legend and greatest manager that ever lived for the equivalent of 6 weeks of Rashfords wages
4. Dreadful recruitment in the summer
5. Wasted millions on a failed DOF
6. Tried to blag taxpayers money for a new gaff
He’s a proper Tory is Sir Jim, seriously what have they got right ? Also where is Brailsford in all of this ? He anonymous . . .
Athletic were laughing at INEOS doing so much work for a minority stake. They were also wondering how much patience will the majority shareholder have before it calls it quits on Sir Jimmy playing football manager on their behalf (ok the football manager thing comes from me). In my opinion they'll wait 2 years and see how things proceed. If things go to the shitters then I can see them asking INEOS to other buy the full club or they sell it to someone else in full.
Another dumb take, things like cancelling the Christmas party has such an tiny impact on our overall expenditure it really is tinkering around the margins and ineos have already wasted huge amounts of money on transfers and paying of contracts through dumb decisions
I don't buy de ligt was a good signing, he was signed for a pretty significant fee and is really average at everything
The last thing you should worry about is Glazers' patience. They let Ed played football manager for more than a decade with thier real money.
High if results are still bad by February.
Woodward played a crucial role in their ability to perform that money heist of a deal known as the acquisition of Manchester United football club. The guy made them all filthy rich and his mismanagement pales in comparison to how much money he had generated on their behalf. If INEOS keeps mismanaging United then the Glazers are the ones who get hit the most
It really is hard to get my head around the fact many fans have waited fir a proper director of football to be appointed for so long then when the club finally appoint someone they get rid of him after a couple of months.
Now who is making the decisions? Wilcox has limited experience as a director of football at Southampton, berrada was on the commercial side of operations at City, Brailsford isn't a football man. Vivell seems more appropriately qualified to make decisions on players but what level of responsibility will he have?
Now who is making the decisions? Wilcox has limited experience as a director of football at Southampton, berrada was on the commercial side of operations at City, Brailsford isn't a football man. Vivell seems more appropriately qualified to make decisions on players but what level of responsibility will he have?
Out of curiosity, what are the unprecedented changes that you would propose?