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Club ownership | Senior management team talk
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss three 1-1 draws.
The first got us knocked out of the FA Cup, the next puts us in a good position in our Round of 16 Europa League game, and the latest was an actual decent performance against Arsenal at Old Trafford.
All hopes for the season now rest on the Europa League - does Amorim have the squad to win it?
It's typical corporate nonsense. Cut minor, irrelevant spend for posturing, even though it does virtually nothing to bottom line but lowers the morale and causes loads of negative noise.
Source: I have worked in financial planning for the last 10 years and have seen this so many times.
some amount of experts in this thread.
You should all apply for jobs at the company and tell the owners they are hopeless - face to face!
You should all apply for jobs at the company and tell the owners they are hopeless - face to face!
I'm not sure if it's sad or hilarious that you actually have a point here. That Woodward would be seen in a bit of a positive light in hindsight, compared to INEOS (or at least, in a less negative).
1. Yep, agree there.
2. Redundancies are fine in theory. We have significantly more staff than any other club, and the mismanagement of our previous regime means there's a strong chance we have a lot of staff who are doing a bad job but just got to stick around. In saying that, removing the ability to work from home instantly tells me we're going about cutting staff the wrong way, trying to force people out. The people who are more likely to leave are the people who are good at their jobs and will have other options whereas the lazy people who won't easily get other jobs are the ones who will stick around. It's all about cutting costs instead of improving quality.
3. I'm ambivalent towards that. Fergie's role was largely ceremonial and he was being paid big money to not really do anything. He made a fortune while at the club so there's not really a need for us to be paying him millions every year.
4. Was it really dreadful? Mazraoui has been great, Ugarte is looking fairly good, De Ligt has been a bit up-and-down but he's quite good quality for the price we paid, and Yoro was literally the highest-rated young defender in the world. Zirkzee has been disappointing so far, but there's still hope he'll come good. It's not like we just plucked a random from nowhere, he was literally the Serie A young player of the season and in their team of the season. It wasn't an amazing transfer window by any means but I wouldn't say it was dreadful.
5. Yeah, in hindsight it was a waste. Thankfully it wasn't too expensive in the grand scheme of things (a couple million to get him from Newcastle and a couple of million to fire him), and it would have been very different if we'd paid anything close to the 20m that Newcastle originally demanded. Without knowing exactly why we hired him in particular in the first place and then why we fired him, I'm not going to hold that against INEOS. It may be a sign of negligence or poor decision making from them, or it may have just been unlucky that the one who didn't work out (bringing in so many new people at once means it's very likely at least one won't make it) happened to be the one who had the most hype and attention.
6. No, the taxpayer money is expected to go towards the rest of the redevelopment in the area, not the stadium itself. Which is 100% fair and how it should be.
Don't get me wrong, I think Ratcliffe is a prick. The attitude he's shown towards the regular staff is classic billionaire screwing over the peasants, with his removal of working from home and now cancelling the Christmas party particularly loathsome. I'm worried that he might be too involved in the running of the club instead of allowing Berrada, Wilcox and (previously) Ashworth to do it, and if he is then I expect it to probably end in failure. But I think the criticisms should be fair, and you've gone a bit overboard.
Brexit Jim is was and always will be a total self serving prick. These tiny drop in the ocean money saving moves are just pathetic to witness over and over.
And Ineos have just given them £1.5bn
My understanding is that Berrada was getting more involved in the football side of things at City as time wore on. Wilcox was already doing some of the more hands-on aspects of what some DoF's do (different clubs break the roles down differently), and was probably doing even more of the role at the end of last season while we were waiting for Ashworth to start. If we don't hire someone else to fill that role then I presume it's felt that Wilcox was doing it better during that period than what Ashworth was when he took over, and he'll just continue in the role going forward.
SJR seems confused as to what he wants from a DoF. Dan Ashworth is more operational, ensuring that the structures for a long lasting system are in place. SJR wanted someone who is more of a recruitment expert and an Analyst of data. Not sure why he couldn’t have learnt his skill set and the way he works before he hired him. (Or Brailsford as Ashworth is his friend).
Now that temporary director of recruitment will probably be kept on. Wilcox could possibly oversee most of the rest, assuming we get data analysis up to scratch
Just find it amusing that some fans seem genuinely perplexed as to why a self-serving Billionaire ghoul would behave as...a self-serving Billionaire ghoul.
Say what you want about the Qataris, but they likely wouldn't be axing Christmas parties or raising ticket prices. We'd also not have the toxic shadow of the Glazers nor their debt lurking around, courtesy of Jim.
Say what you want about the Qataris, but they likely wouldn't be axing Christmas parties or raising ticket prices. We'd also not have the toxic shadow of the Glazers nor their debt lurking around, courtesy of Jim.
Do you circulate a regular pamphlet? I'd like to sign up please.
I don't think you understand what Christmas parties are for, mate.
True, apart from 4, 5 andf 6, but well done for the effort.
It's criminal that someone like Jim didn't know that Ashworth isn't a transfer guru. I mean , even people in here knew about this when we hired him and there were talks about adding Freedman to help on transfers.
We are just a circus now.
The club's floating above the relegation zone. It's making a loss off the field (last financial don't include a lot of stuff that would take us into the red)
I would be cancelling the Xmas party too.
That might well be true and a good relationship between the chief wxec and dof is obviously important but if it doesn't go well it will look a bit like the return of the old jobs for the boys approach given their city connection. I don't think you could make a case for wilcox being best in class
If your Director of Football doesn't align with your CEO whose job it is to have the best in class Director of Football then it's no good sticking with what's not working if something else does.
Would love to do FP&A for a football club, unfortunately these jobs are usually paid quite poorly because there's enough people willing to do them for less just because it's a football club they support. Remember seeing some job offers 2-3 years ago and was genuinely surprised at how low the listed compensation was.
Also while I love Manchester for a weekend trip, I probably would not want to live there permanently for now and we've cancelled all work from home.
By this bizarre logic, everyone who's spent the last 19 years criticizing the Glazers was out of line
So Berada is actually an improved version Woodward then? Started in sales, then transitioned to making football decisions. Except at city there was an actual football executive in Begiristain.
I wonder how all this could possibly go wrong for us...
Pascal Sauvage being an antagonist around Xmas shouldn't come as a surprise.
Yes, but United now has got Wilcox and Vivell as football executives. If you look at the original plan it was this: Berrada, Ashworth and Wilcox for the permanent roles, Vivell supporting short term at the beginning to help the new structure get going.
Now it became Berrada, Wilcox and Vivell permanently and Ashworth turns out to be the short term support. In a way nothing really changed in regard to the structure, it's just that now Vivell is preferred over Ashworth.
The 'proper Tory' guff would edge better if you weren't hell-bent on Qatari state ownership.
But vivells role was mooted as being part of the permanent structure with ashworth part of it. Also, I presume he would have reported into ashworth. Will he now report into wilcox.
I suspect most would have been underwhelmed if wilcox was appointed as our director of football in the summer
Clearly you are struggling with how a business works.
When someone takes over a company or business, they carry out a review, if they feel the club is over staffed, they will get rid. There is no point having staff there for sake of it if its not bringing any productivity.
SAF was not booted out the club, he just no longer receives his millions from the club. The manager who got paid whilst he was working here... using your logic, all our legends should get paid millions yearly?
There is clearly an effort to reduce wages as well, not my fault you dont see it.
he isnt asking for tax payers money to build the stadium, he is asking the govt to fund the regeneration around OT.. get it right.
Finally, you talk about wasted time and money, why do you waste your time and money watching United knowing we wont win the league then?
True but we don't know his relationship with wilcox is working in terms of improving the team yet. Wilcox was on board when ten hag was retained and the zirkzee transfer was lined up
That's not how I remember it. He originally signed a short term contract that essentially covered the summer transfer window, after that an extension to stay for the upcoming winter. Nothing indicated that his role was part of the long term vision in the beginning, but it is obvious that his input was valued so he was kept longer.
Or Wilcox to him? Or both to Berrada directly? No idea
I was underwhelmed with Ashworth, so what? Personally I wouldn't have had an issue with Wilcox as long as I got the impression that he stamps his authority on the club and makes the right moves after seeing first hand how things were going.
Actually I personally would have preferred that because (as I often said) the timing of their arrivals means that Wilcox is the only new important manager/director at the club who could go into the summer transfer window well prepared with real experience about how last season went and what has to change.
Will be if they get Michael O'Leary in
Absolutely agree that we don't know but it's not something we SHOULD know at a well run club. That information should be apparent on the pitch and in the way the club operated, but technically we are on day 2 of that relationship with a manager who is implementing the vision those two want.
Yes Wilcox was here when we signed Zirkzee. Zirkzee isn't a bad talent and had been alright previously, he may still come good, one of those signings I would personally wait on, especially with the physicality of the League. I also don't think it was Wilcox job at the time to sign off on any signings (Berrarda did though).
Would be hilarious if one of the players decided to donate a days wages and publicly state they will pay for the staffs Christmas party.
I was very excited when INEOS won the bid process, but there are a lot of minor things they have done that have left a very sour taste, such as firing decades old club employees who contribute next to nothing to the clubs financial strains while spending £3 million on a director they will now just axe.
Brailsfords comment about slumming it in Manchester instead of living lavishly in Monte Carlo to turn things around is just one example of a concerning tone deaf attitude.
I was very excited when INEOS won the bid process, but there are a lot of minor things they have done that have left a very sour taste, such as firing decades old club employees who contribute next to nothing to the clubs financial strains while spending £3 million on a director they will now just axe.
Brailsfords comment about slumming it in Manchester instead of living lavishly in Monte Carlo to turn things around is just one example of a concerning tone deaf attitude.
He wants Irexit
Not just the Christmas party. The Christmas bonus for staff of £100 has been stopped and replaced by a £40 M&S voucher
The process is the punishment. Seems like Ineos are trying to get rid of even more staff.
This can’t be true, surely?
Saving £60 per staff member should keep us out of PSR troublesThe beatings will continue until morale improves