Club ownership | Senior management team talk

dwd said:
Are we allowed to criticise yet? Have the police said so?
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They need more time to know if the manager is the right one. Come back in two years.
 
Are we really sure we have the best in class football people? They make Woodward and Murtough seems super competent compared to them.

At the very least, it's impossible for them to keep the manager who finished 8th. And worse at 14th after 9 games now. Where are the standards?
 
There were ways you could give them the benefit of doubt over the summer, if you really wanted to. Judgement mitigated by injuries, transition, management team still assembling, squad quality. Maybe a proper chance with a better squad for EtH.

Conventional footballing wisdom clearly said it was madness to keep a manager who finished 8th, but you could give the owners a pass over the summer.

There is simply no way to give them any benefit of the doubt now. If it isn't apparent to everyone, they are spectacularly failing at their job. They talked the big talk about improving the footballing side of things, they have been worse than the Glazers so far.
 
I think they'll realise in a few years they're well out of their depth and will go crawling to the middle east for investment.

We'll end up state owned with them and glazers as minority owners having wasted another 10 years on incompetence
 
dwd said:
Are we allowed to criticise yet? Have the police said so?
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I've noticed that with managers as well as with the club hierarchy, our fans always default to giving them a high amount of trust and goodwill when they come in - the same was true with Arnold, Murtough, and to a lesser extent Woodward when each of them were appointed. Until it became abundantly clear that things weren't going in the right direction, most fans just assumed there was a master plan in place and these guys knew what they were doing.

In reality it should work the opposite way: it's on them to prove to the fans that they deserve our trust and that they know what they're doing.
 
They will lose people pretty quickly if they don't do something at this point.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
I've noticed that with managers as well as with the club hierarchy, our fans always default to giving them a high amount of trust and goodwill when they come in - the same was true with Arnold, Murtough, and to a lesser extent Woodward when each of them were appointed. Until it became abundantly clear that things weren't going in the right direction, most fans just assumed there was a master plan in place and these guys knew what they were doing.

In reality it should work the opposite way: it's on them to prove to the fans that they deserve our trust and that they know what they're doing.
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You see it with players we sign as well. The gymnastics people do to justify quite obviously bad/illogical signings. See the Antony transfer thread.
 
Skills said:
You see it with players we sign as well. The gymnastics people do to justify quite obviously bad/illogical signings. See the Antony transfer thread.
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Yup, was thinking of players as well, but didn't want to derail the thread because I know I'd receive the inevitable "but Vidic and Evra!" replies.
 
Skills said:
You see it with players we sign as well. The gymnastics people do to justify quite obviously bad/illogical signings. See the Antony transfer thread.
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Probably because we have a huge fan base. There are bound to be a large proportion of clueless fans.
 
I hope these guys factored in a contingency plan when they extended ETH. It’s clear they don’t rate him and boggles the mind why he’s still here with the results so far this season as well as last season, but surely the worst case scenario crossed their mind and they had a few names listed who could see out a season if at the time, ETH continued to be a feck up.
 
RedC said:
They will lose people pretty quickly if they don't do something at this point.
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Even if they do something now, they've already lost me. It was clear to the whole world that he should have been gone in summer, never mind after the Liverpool and Tottenham embarrassments. At this point, even making the right decision now won't erase the incompetency until this point.
 
INEOS/jim Ratcliffe/Trawlers/glazers whatever and whoever is actually running this club need to react now.

I’m loath l to jump on the “INEOS are shit and don’t know what they’re doing” bandwagon just yet but if they don’t react to this now they’re going to look really fecking clueless.
 
I think they will replace ETH with someone shite and then buy a few sub standard players. Can’t wait!
 
Yakuza_devils said:
Are we really sure we have the best in class football people? They make Woodward and Murtough seems super competent compared to them.

At the very least, it's impossible for them to keep the manager who finished 8th. And worse at 14th after 9 games now. Where are the standards?
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Bar Omar, the rest are questionable and proved nothing in football managment. Starting from Ineos as owners with their mediocre Nice football club down to Wilcox and Darren Fletcher.
 
Giggsyking said:
Bar Omar, the rest are questionable and proved nothing in football managment. Starting from Ineos as owners with their mediocre Nice football club down to Wilcox and Darren Fletcher.
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Even Berrada hasn't proven anything yet. I believe he was most recently COO at City, and before that some sort of marketing manager. He's never been a club CEO up until now.
 
Walk to the right decision. And here we are walking slowly.
 
They were really hoping and praying all this while that the plan works ever since they decided to stick with this manager, weren’t they? So that they don’t have to make the decision early to sack him because it would make them look like incompetent fools after reappointing him. Now they don’t know what to do and are still hoping and praying it somehow works.
 
Whatever goodwill Ineos had with the fanbase, is fast disappearing and no matter what they do subsequently, are in danger of being put in the sane laughing stock as the previous regime.

It's hard to believe business people, let's call them for what they are, can be so I competent to repeat the same mistakes and business failures as what came before them. Truly commend them on their stupidity.
 
Withnail said:
Ruud was never the answer even short-term. He has zero managerial pedigree.

For me it's in line with Ratcliffe's stated strategy: Don't run to the wrong solution, walk to the right one.

It's frustrating for us, obviously, but they won't make a move until they find someone acceptable to them.
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Given the state we're in I'd say the idea of walking to a solution is no longer a luxury they have. If I were owner of United I'd be calling an emergency meeting and fecking sprinting towards a solution as a matter of urgency.

Although perhaps if I were a billionaire Chelsea supporter I wouldn't actually give as much of a shit and I'd do nothing. We'll never know
 
The hell is wrong with them. They started well, sure, but the past 2 months have been a disaster and they just froze. How can you watch this and feel anything positive? I truly wonder
 
Godfather said:
Not an excuse for INEOS doing feck all right now. This is beyond pathetic.
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I'm just focused on the mid-long term. Getting ETH out will give supporters a lift, and maybe we'll get a new manager bounce, but the important issue is getting the next appointment right. Not just sacking ETH.
 
What was the point in buying Ugarte because you think Casemiro is finished to then continually bench Ugarte for Casemiro?

The 50m could have gone towards Joao Neves or a LB or an actual winger who can beat someone.

Why are we buying these players if he won't play them?
 
After everything this club has been through since 2005, after life long supporters being forced to sell their shares in the club they love, after the debt and interest payments, after the dividend payments and money stolen from the club, after all the protests, after FCUM breakaway, after green and gold, after THAT Liverpool postponement, after the super league debacle, after all the mismanagement, sabotage and incompetence, for all of you who now say Sir Jim and INEOS are the same or worse than the Glazers simply because they haven’t yet sacked an unpopular manager - hang your heads in shame and have a word with yourselves. You are behaving like spoilt children.

Criticise SJR, Berrada, Wilcox, Brailsford, and ETH. Criticise the club, the staff, the fans whatever, but to read posts wanting Woodward back, or saying we were better off under the Glazers is sickening. Grow up.
 
Withnail said:
Ruud was never the answer even short-term. He has zero managerial pedigree.

For me it's in line with Ratcliffe's stated strategy: Don't run to the wrong solution, walk to the right one.
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And once they find the solution they want he will have been picked up by a different club...
 
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