Give over, they conducted a thorough review including speaking to possible candidates for the job and came to the conclusion ten Hag would stay. All this ‘shambles’ this and ‘incompetent’ that is embarrassing.
Behave yourself
They had 250 more staff than the next highest staffed team, so to save money it was obvious this was going to happen. The parasites ran the club dry and there isnt any money left in the bank. Ratcliffe cant put his hand in his pocket due to FFP, or whatever its called nowadays.
Yes I suspect so. As it stands currently, even without having to pay ETH severance money, we will need to do some serious creative accounting to be able to avoid penalties under the PSR rules.
Yeah thanks for that. I read somewhere that we had a third year of losses and we are arguing about that we spent the money on necessary things so we should not get a penalty. Sacking a manager might be enough to take us into serious trouble with FFP.
So that means you so not have any opinion… right better get off a football forum and the thread discussion it then
Yes thats why they offered Tuchel the job and he declined due to the lack of control he would have, because like you said they concluded Ten Hag was the best man for the job. That is also why they didnt actually give Ten Hag a new contract….
Exactly. The Athletic had a detailed article on it. Our losses are way over the limits that PSR rules prescribe. Experts reckon that we are right on the edge after taking into account the types of losses that can be removed from the analysis. Also Jim Ratcliff’s cash infusion has helped offset some of that but the situation is dicey.
The cheap option was keeping Ten Hag and we saw how tight things were in the summer window so you'd expect so. We also lose £10m from the Adidas contract next year with no CL. Our finances are dire.
You think it was good? The end result in keeping Ten Hag was bad enough alone but how they went about it was shocking.
Thats incorrect. I disagree with it there is a big difference
This is fecking nonsensical and fans like you are the main reason why the club is in the gutter because you let people get away without being held accountable.
You're viewing it from the lens of one decision, which is obviously a very important one, but one which we know the rationale for. Also, he didn't get a contract extension til 2027 - a clause was automatically triggered on the same contract giving him an extra year, until 2026. Once you've decided to keep him, you obviously can't have him there on a contract that expires at the end of the season. That would be unreasonable and was a logical decision to make, once they'd decided he wasn't leaving.
I don’t remember posting that comment.
Whilst it appears that several clubs ( Spurs, Liverpool and Bournemouth included ) initially announced they were going to take advantage of the furlough scheme only two others Newcastle and Norwich did actually take money. In effect 15 didn’t even it seems sign up to the scheme. I am far from sure it was those other 15 that pressured other clubs it was more to do with the backlash from the press & supporters .
There was me thinking it was our American leech owners and their incompetent staff but no, apparently it’s all my fault. Sorry about that lads!
Problem with this is that many (including myself) who didn’t think those were the correct decisions at the time were happy to remain silent because due process requires them to be given time, as, perhaps, they are 5d chess specialists who are seeing things from angles we cannot, and yet we find ourselves in freefall, not because of a few games, rather as the culmination of an appalling start to the season and the point where concerns that were there and growing now need to be voiced before yet another season gets written off.
Tuchel wasn’t offered the job, they had discussions and couldn’t agree.
Oh that's absolutely fine (and I was curious to know what you disagreed about in terms of the strategic decisions they've made, but you just pointed me to other posters' walls of text I'm not going to read!), and I understand why the current situation would feel like that. I however disagree that it's "many" people, the feeling I have from the Caf, and from reading and listening to various sources, is that in general their approach so far (which, in fairness, for the important positions they've named were pretty straightforward - the minutiae of how they've gone about that, I'd understand some reservations) was pretty much appreciated by the fanbase.
That is part of the problem. INEOS started planning the (partial) takeover more than a year ago (around a year ago I think we saw real reports about it?). So they had a lot of time to prepare/tap up their potential leadership team for United to enter the club quickly after sealing the deal. But they didn't have their team ready, they just had a bunch of "interim people" who were not able or willing to call the shots. The timing of the Wilcox appointment was at the end of the timeframe I considered reasonable for INEOS. But he wasn't the last, he was the first to start working. That was imho the first blunder INEOS made and it effectively wasted a season.
I think you have to give allowance for the way Newcastle and Southampton reacted to our approach for their key staff. I don’t think INEOS were ready for that delay. I also believe this season was written off long ago which is why sir Jim was briefing about this being a 2/3 year project when he came in back in February.
I agree here. I couldn’t understand the fire him or give him a new contract angle at the time. We could easily have waited until Xmas or later to resolve this and see how the season develops.
I don't think so. Clubs not wanting to let their successful staff go? Shock horror, unheard of scenario. If their reaction wasn't expected, it's either arrogance or naivety, but either way looks bad.
I do think this is true. And that's exactly why I think INEOS fecked up. They should have made sure that their candidates are available in due time. And if not, look for alternatives. It's not like Ashworth is the only experienced DoF or Berrada the only possible CEO in the football world. If they can't join in time look around for someone of similar quality who can. Neither of them proved to be a miracle worker before, it's not as if they feel like the unique choice for their position that there is no alternative for.
If that's true it's also damning.
I don’t buy the ‘Ashworth wasn’t available so get an alternative’ line.
Totally agree.
And on this point we disagree again. Because I think the late arrival is the reason for the manager drama in the summer and therefore the reason for the terrible start into this season. Reducing the payoff for Ashworth is wasted money when you then have to pay EtH off with the same money due to the idiotic contract extension.
