Exactly this 100%.
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th September 2024
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Exactly this 100%.
Losing a vote is akin to mob rule?
I'll go out on a limb and assume you didn't think this through...
I actually think that because of the overhanging charges, Haaland's salary is probably the most above board one.
Pep doesn't mind about the cheating. He will fight the accusations tooth and nail like he did against the verdict when he was at Bari.
Do you mean Conte?
I mean Guardiola.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2001/nov/23/newsstory.sport6
And I strongly suspect that his Barcelona team was implicated in operation Fuentes but was covered up.
He knows exactly what’s going on. He has previous - lots of previous - as a cheat.
Both as a player and as a manager.
They will not do what’s right and jeopardise their image of their golden goose (PL brand)
Well said. It’s clear as day that City have been flouting the rules for ages and it’s backed by all the available facts. That they don’t cooperate in investigations either tells you that their regime is confident that they can find ways around compliance.
I really hope the rest of the league doubles down on this sham of a football club. But I fear they (their state actually) is too powerful so everyone has to tip toe around their bullshit.
He absolutely knows. Back when he signed on at City people used to think a manager of his stature should only go to clean projects etc Come on, let’s not put people on a high padestal. Pep only cares about trophies and decorating his fancy CV, whether his club commits fraud is something he’ll just distance himself from in no time.
He knows exactly what’s going on. He has previous - lots of previous - as a cheat.
Both as a player and as a manager.
He will accept the final decision. Yeah right.
All hell will break loose from his/their side if they are found guilty. Surely.
All hell will break loose from his/their side if they are found guilty. Surely.
This is dragging on… when’s a decision being made?
A 20 point deduction will not make them miss champions league football. Sad fate.
Relegation and stripping of titles. 20 point deduction won’t mean much in the grand scheme of things. But I agree that it will effectively nothing- either overturn or a ‘slap’ on the knuckles
I believe people need to be realistic City's punishment would be nothing more than slap on the wrists , anyone who thinks Pl would strip City of their titles can't be serious .
Right now Likes of City are atleast Pretending to abide by FFP because they are dining at the top table and over a period of time would legitimise themselves with actual revenues and sponsorship money which has already started due to their onfield success .
But take away that incentive by stripping them of their titles , they would simply drop any pretense and actually go after the legality of FFP restrictions and due to their resources and FFP being on the shaky ground legally , might actually get FFP ended for good
Which it should in all honesty it's a farce created to keep the established order in place masquerading as tool to promote sustainability .
Right now Likes of City are atleast Pretending to abide by FFP because they are dining at the top table and over a period of time would legitimise themselves with actual revenues and sponsorship money which has already started due to their onfield success .
But take away that incentive by stripping them of their titles , they would simply drop any pretense and actually go after the legality of FFP restrictions and due to their resources and FFP being on the shaky ground legally , might actually get FFP ended for good
Which it should in all honesty it's a farce created to keep the established order in place masquerading as tool to promote sustainability .
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The truth is most “neutrals” adore City, so many allegations but not a peep from the so called pundits who spend day and night praising City. You just know if it was Utd or even Liverpool doing it people would lose their mind. But it is City so no one gives a feck.
I would be genuinely be shocked if anything came out of this other than a slap on the wrist.
I would be genuinely be shocked if anything came out of this other than a slap on the wrist.
If there's any justice in the world, alongside City being erased as a football club, Barcelona will be crushed due to their cheating and Pep will finally be held to account as one of the most blatant cheats in the game.
There's no justice though.
Still, unlike some who like to preface any criticism of Pep with "he's a great coach" I prefer to stick with the reality that he's not, he's quite simply a blatant and very willing cheat.
There's no justice though.
Still, unlike some who like to preface any criticism of Pep with "he's a great coach" I prefer to stick with the reality that he's not, he's quite simply a blatant and very willing cheat.
I can safely say that among my neutral fans in Poland City are by far and away the most liked team I have ever seen. Virtually everyone I know that isn’t Real Madrid supporter rooted for them in the semifinal (even most of my United supporting friends rooted for them, not to mention fans of other English teams) and pretty much 95% people I know are going to root for them against Inter. People don’t care where the money came from and how legit their operations are.
First off congratulations Arsenal on your first title in a very long time. Well done Pep for avoiding relegation. It’s time to catch up with some old friends…. Love to all
I'm really not seeing this media fawning that others are. Guardian has been pretty critical. I'm sure sky are but they're not serious people.
If proven no one would hold any regard for the titles they've won. Not stripping them of titles would just devalue the competition and the achievement. Its an entirely reasonable response to the charges.
Weird post. Its not on shaky ground in the slightest. They're welcome to try get it removed but it wont be backdated.
If proven no one would hold any regard for the titles they've won. Not stripping them of titles would just devalue the competition and the achievement. Its an entirely reasonable response to the charges.
Only thing I can agree upon is removal shouldn't be backdated .
But I would really want Pl to actually strip City of their titles and see how it pans out .
Thing about devaluing the competition is it could happen regardless of what decision PL makes, slap on wrist for City would raise questions , Stripping them of titles would open different can of worms and If this reaches actual courts and gets FFP overturned then how you to see it playing out Club being stripped out of titles on regulations deemed illegal .
Just a speculation on my part City and Pl would come to an agreement without admission of guilt and city gets points deduction for next season and hefty fine .
None of parties want this to be dragged to courts but if push comes to shove PL have more to lose than just face .
They'll still get 4th with a 20 point deduction
He knows exactly what’s going on. He has previous - lots of previous - as a cheat.
Both as a player and as a manager.
Yep, he’s quite obviously taken the decision to align himself with it all and it 100% tarnishes everything he’s done as a manager there. Puts a blot on his whole career really.
Was confused by Bari
'I would like this sorted tomorrow' says Pep Guardiola with a wink as the Man City hierarchy pour a giant sack of sand into the gears of the investigation.
Not that I think City will get anything more than a slap on the wrist, but I’d say it’s debatable that clearing them would be perceived as the option with the least reputational damage at this point.
Where has this 20 PT deduction come from? If you told City 12 years ago that after cheating for over a decade that all they would get is a fine and a 20pt deduction but get to keep all their titles they'd have bitten your hand off.
A 20 PT deduction will cost them one league title ultimately. How is that a fair punishment?
All titles should be stripped. They didn't allow Lance Armstrong to keep all his. This should be no different. Let the titles remain vacant with no winners declared. That seems the fairest thing in my eyes.
A 20 PT deduction will cost them one league title ultimately. How is that a fair punishment?
All titles should be stripped. They didn't allow Lance Armstrong to keep all his. This should be no different. Let the titles remain vacant with no winners declared. That seems the fairest thing in my eyes.
Forgot they usually have a 20+ point gap over 5th place. They should be relegated.
There is no way they should get away from those 115 charges. Relegation to championship next season, strip of all titles and trophies won over past decade, and ban from European football for 5 years, and ban from all transfer activity over the next 3 years. This will teach them.
I don't know the full ins and outs of the legality of the rulings, but surely a company can make up whatever rules it wants. If City don't agree to them rules, they can go play their football elsewhere
In my experience, pretty much all neutrals despise City because they are ruining the game and because of their association with a sportwashing project.
It can. Its a fantasy scenario. They've already agreed to abide by the rules, they wouldn't have a leg to stand on
Even in this fantasy scenario they had a competitive advantage over the 19 other teams who followed this 'illegal' rule and should be stripped of titles.
There are definitely some that admire them and this has contributed to them getting away with all this until now. I think the last thing the PL wanted to do was charge their best team which produced the image of the ‘best’ football for the league. So there has to be some concrete shit in there. It’s mental that we’ve had (and still have to some) a worse rep in terms of ‘cheating’ and ‘buying the refs’ when you’ve got an organisation like them about.
There is no world where they’re just an innocent club who have been incredibly unfortunate to be charged with 115 breaches.
There is no world where they’re just an innocent club who have been incredibly unfortunate to be charged with 115 breaches.
I believe it is illegal but not fully certain about it and once it would be challenged by somebody with considerable resources in Courts chances are it would end getting scrapped .
That's why I don't believe PL would let it get to a stage where they have to defend it in actual courts.
Wanna make a friendly wager that City won't get stripped of its title and even if they do it would actually end in FFP getting scrapped completely in Courts or diluted beyond recognition .
He’s a fecking liar and a cheat (besides being a bald cnuting fraud too) working for a lying cheating blood soaked regressive state entity hoovering up titles through wholesale systematic fraudulent financial doping which makes ben johnson’s steroid fuelled record breaking run at seoul look like a parking offence.
The only suitable punishment would be for city to be relegated to the Vauxhall conference, stripped of all titles, forced to play at a rebuilt Maine road (to the original 1930s spec) and with Paul Dickov in charge.
The only suitable punishment would be for city to be relegated to the Vauxhall conference, stripped of all titles, forced to play at a rebuilt Maine road (to the original 1930s spec) and with Paul Dickov in charge.
He knows exactly what he got into, and while he's a sensational manager with the right players, he's also proven over the years to have very adaptable morals and ethics. He doesn't care.
I'm conflicted on this.
On one hand, I have almost zero faith that they'll get any meaningful punishment.
But on the other, them not being punished heavily for having broken the rules repeatedly for years would surely damage the PL brand to a degree that the higher ups can't accept.
On one hand, I have almost zero faith that they'll get any meaningful punishment.
But on the other, them not being punished heavily for having broken the rules repeatedly for years would surely damage the PL brand to a degree that the higher ups can't accept.
115 charges won't be beaten off.
The only questions are how long this will drag out for, and what punishment.
If it's multiple years, then City can rack up another 5 ot 6 trophies, which will make an even sillier mockery of the "6month transfer ban", "£10k fine" and "promise us not to be naughty again" type punishments.
The only questions are how long this will drag out for, and what punishment.
If it's multiple years, then City can rack up another 5 ot 6 trophies, which will make an even sillier mockery of the "6month transfer ban", "£10k fine" and "promise us not to be naughty again" type punishments.