Because of an appeal
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th September 2024
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These emails are from when they got their inboxes hacked by that kid
Yeah, that is what prompted the investigation. Der Spiegel is the goto foreign news agency that British journalists use to if they want a story out that they can't put out themselves for fear of being sued.
It still took 8 months for the initial decision
Yeah I know, which is why I think this will get resolved in around that time frame, and then they’ll be an appeal from either side.
To be clear, I think it won’t take years like others have said, that’s all I meant.
Yellow lapel time.
Pogba
You only have to look at the responses from their former players and media mouthpieces to realise how much shit they are in. Pure jittery whataboutery from Mills on the radio yesterday (usually he's someone who speaks with a massive degree of hubris and arrogance) and now Kompany avoiding all the substance and giving off conspiracy theory vibes. Yeah, they're screwed.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/64563546
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/64563546
Defo. They can't even fill their own ground.
If their own fans don't watch them who else would
feels impossible to imagine them getting away with it when you see these smoking guns
they entire league will become a mockery if they get off with a fine and it's vital that doesn't happen for the integrity of the sport
You're probably correct but let's not forget a whole host of players managers have be cited for tax issues. Messi Ronaldo and Jose to name a few.
As a trained law consultant with Calciopoli having been the golden case study all along the degree years for what NOT to do while things like this emerge, I can tell you all a couple of things:
1) the “quick” sporting justice conclusions / recommendations / deliberations, based upon the herd rage or “sentimento popolare” asking for integrity, fairnes, etc. etc., will much probably NOT stand in ordinary courts in the coming years. First Calciopoli surprise: ALL the people destroyed by the 2006 FIGC integrity committee led by Guido Rossi, former Inter board member (who immediately declared he was installed to protect the “onesti” aka the “honest”), were then cleared and acquitted one after one, even Moggi The Devil himself in 2015: https://www.goal.com/en/news/ex-juventus-chief-moggi-a-free-man-following-final/bltab9f23c94ca3c73d … “Moggi was cleared of all these offences”);
2) The “onesti” teams Inter/Milan were proved in ordinary courts to be doing the exact same, legal practices (Facchetti for Inter, Meani for Milan), nonethless Inter was awarded the infamous “scudetto di cartone” by their own former Guido Rossi (the one scudetto Mourinho detested as their own coach because “not won on the pitch but in the office”) and PM Berlusconi’s Milan got an enough lenient punishment to carry on and win the Champions League in the following year 2007.
3) Italian football entered a decline as a whole, also as an international force because of the stain, until becoming the mess it is now with even a new Calciopoli in 2023 now led by Napoli and Neapolitans prosecutors/judges, which will further halve the value of Italian football and probably destroy the most important team for good (which was and still is the main intent from the beginning, in spite of all the claims about integrity, fairness, etc.).
Now, for what I see with a trained law consultant eye from my shores, it is being City thrown under the bus by the FA / PL to protect themselves by the scrutiny of your Government… which usually does not bode well for the subject trying to protect themselves because the offended parties will defend themselves in the ordinary courts and much more would probably emerge, involving many other clubs.
What is the prospective solution for football, when local clubs outgrow their local leagues, is the main question for integrity, fairness, etc. …… other sports did with creating different, private leagues (most recently, the basket EuroLeague) in order to have the big boys fighting themselves without restraint, leaving or not their local leagues.
1) the “quick” sporting justice conclusions / recommendations / deliberations, based upon the herd rage or “sentimento popolare” asking for integrity, fairnes, etc. etc., will much probably NOT stand in ordinary courts in the coming years. First Calciopoli surprise: ALL the people destroyed by the 2006 FIGC integrity committee led by Guido Rossi, former Inter board member (who immediately declared he was installed to protect the “onesti” aka the “honest”), were then cleared and acquitted one after one, even Moggi The Devil himself in 2015: https://www.goal.com/en/news/ex-juventus-chief-moggi-a-free-man-following-final/bltab9f23c94ca3c73d … “Moggi was cleared of all these offences”);
2) The “onesti” teams Inter/Milan were proved in ordinary courts to be doing the exact same, legal practices (Facchetti for Inter, Meani for Milan), nonethless Inter was awarded the infamous “scudetto di cartone” by their own former Guido Rossi (the one scudetto Mourinho detested as their own coach because “not won on the pitch but in the office”) and PM Berlusconi’s Milan got an enough lenient punishment to carry on and win the Champions League in the following year 2007.
3) Italian football entered a decline as a whole, also as an international force because of the stain, until becoming the mess it is now with even a new Calciopoli in 2023 now led by Napoli and Neapolitans prosecutors/judges, which will further halve the value of Italian football and probably destroy the most important team for good (which was and still is the main intent from the beginning, in spite of all the claims about integrity, fairness, etc.).
Now, for what I see with a trained law consultant eye from my shores, it is being City thrown under the bus by the FA / PL to protect themselves by the scrutiny of your Government… which usually does not bode well for the subject trying to protect themselves because the offended parties will defend themselves in the ordinary courts and much more would probably emerge, involving many other clubs.
What is the prospective solution for football, when local clubs outgrow their local leagues, is the main question for integrity, fairness, etc. …… other sports did with creating different, private leagues (most recently, the basket EuroLeague) in order to have the big boys fighting themselves without restraint, leaving or not their local leagues.
Oh, yes: individually they could be guilty of all sorts of tax related offences for all I know. However, I doubt that City have systematically paid off players/coaches in a way that would be of interest to the tax man as such (as something related to the club, I mean).
His interview sounds like a less eloquent post by @adexkola
Not following the development in detail.
Question, is there a money laundering accusation along with FFP or just FFP?
Thanks.
Question, is there a money laundering accusation along with FFP or just FFP?
Thanks.
But the original poster didn't ask if City or PSG have spent like crazy to try and kill the competition. Of course they have, no one is disputing that. But the quote I was responding to was if whether the competition in the two leagues have gotten better or worse after the two takeovers in practice. Considering both leagues show an increase in the number of different winners in the decade after the respective takeovers compared to the immediate decade preceeding them, it is hard to argue the two leagues have become less competetive in practicality in my opinion.
Guess they’ve hit the Pannick button
It looks like a system practiced over years. Just paying some money and a point reduction next year should not be considered. They build a European powerhouse based on cheating, forced the PL-teams into a financial war and influenced the development of football in England and Europe, not in a good way. It is time to set a signal, take their titles and send them to amateur-football and compensation payments for every year they cheated. Realistic punishment? No, because they know how to spend their money to influence decisions.
I'm sure it's a possibility but you'd think court proceedings would be much more complex than a PL tribunal.
If you want to change the rules then try and change the rules. You can't use "the rules aren't fair" as an excuse after you have ignored them.
Exactly. The defence of "it's not fair" just doesn't cut it. It's like children in the playground. It's no type of valid argument and it just shows where the city fans heads are at. Even the conspiracy theories are coming out about how there are cartels etc.
The only cartel is looking like city right now.
Quite funny seeing all these people now quoting these emails which have been sat online for months and nobody cared then 
There’s so much more to play out - the pressure City will be exerting on those whose palms they’ve greased goes without saying. But that threat just looming… what a soap opera!
What hokum.
Yes, we all have access to all information all the time.Quite funny seeing all these people now quoting these emails which have been sat online for months and nobody cared then
They may have been online for months but its the first time I've seen them, which I assume is the same for a lot of people.Quite funny seeing all these people now quoting these emails which have been sat online for months and nobody cared then
More winners in England is due to the fall of United after our cheat code retired.
If you look at the average point total you need now to win the league, it’s fair to say that the league is less competitive.
City having two A teams and PSG having Messi, Neymar, Mbappé is a joke to be honest.
1. City "having 2 A teams" will never not be funny
2. Barcelona had (a better) Messi, Neymar and Suarez... Was it a problem for the game then?
They got away with these against UEFA because there's statute of limitations on the time you can prosecute, which is about 6 years I think. However with the PL that doesn't hold up as the statute of limitations is null and void if you are found to be purposefully withholding or hiding documentation with the aim to avoiding prosecution.
The best thing is, UEFA weren't allowed to use these emails against them in their case, but the PL can.
That applies for any club in the PL.
Quite funny seeing all these people now quoting these emails which have been sat online for months and nobody cared then
Months... Or years..
Lots of people have suggested this was going on for a long time, double dealing, double contracts, inflated sponsorship etc. But there was no proof.....even though these emails were part of the UEFA investigation.
I think nobody really cared because they were already out there and UEFA couldn't make it stick. So people just kind of knew it was going on but if the authorities didn't seem to care then why should they.
Now that the PL has actually decided to take a case, it's just rival fans being knobs online trying to act like they have all the information and making out that this is a open and shut case. When it's probably going to drag in for months, maybe even years.
I'll be really surprised if the PL actually make any serious punishment stick on this.
That is not true, some evidence was not time barred, and it was still dismissed after both sides had a say.
I’m not bored. Who do you support, may I ask? My remark was not about ‘legacy’ … as you know. It was referring to fans as ‘legacy supporters’. This is interesting. What other kinds of supporters are there, do you think?
How anyone can read those emails and not come to the conclusion that City are fecked is beyond me.
This will be a huge points deduction resulting in them dropping down a league minimum