City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th September 2024

You can bet your bottom dollar a lot of clubs would have paid the release clause but, if they are speaking to Haaland senior and he's saying 'these are our contract expectations and fees', no club will bother if it's out of their range and the reported agent fee (not even going into salary) was astronomical.
For sure, I can see lots dropping out, but there were no rumoured accepted bids of other teams in it from what I remember. This is the official line on the Haaland transfer...

"Manchester City have announced the signing of Erling Haaland from Borussia Dortmund in a deal worth £51m. City have paid the 21-year-old's release clause and expect to pay £85.5m in total when agent fees, signing bonus and other costs are taken into account."

For sure, that is a lot in fees but it is not out of the scope of what I would expect. This deal did not reach 100 mil which is what you would expect at the bare minimum for Haaland....thr rumoured fee of 130 from Chelsea would be much more in line let's be honest. Dortmund could have offered Haaland and dad 30 mil just to jack up his contract release fee knowing they could cash in for at least a 100 mil+ but it didn't happen....and have to ask myself why.
 
For sure, I can see lots dropping out, but there were no rumoured accepted bids of other teams in it from what I remember. This is the official line on the Haaland transfer...

"Manchester City have announced the signing of Erling Haaland from Borussia Dortmund in a deal worth £51m. City have paid the 21-year-old's release clause and expect to pay £85.5m in total when agent fees, signing bonus and other costs are taken into account."

For sure, that is a lot in fees but it is not out of the scope of what I would expect. This deal did not reach 100 mil which is what you would expect at the bare minimum for Haaland....thr rumoured fee of 130 from Chelsea would be much more in line let's be honest. Dortmund could have offered Haaland and dad 30 mil just to jack up his contract release fee knowing they could cash in for at least a 100 mil+ but it didn't happen....and have to ask myself why.
With City you just don't know I guess, which is part of the 115 charges. On paper though I agree it's strange, not because Dortmund would have offered him more to get the bigger fee, but because Chelsea can offer big salaries and pay big agent fees regularly so it would be weird for him not to want to at least see both offers. That makes me think Haaland senior told other clubs they wanted City and, in return, City made them an offer no other club would get close to.
 
For sure, I can see lots dropping out, but there were no rumoured accepted bids of other teams in it from what I remember. This is the official line on the Haaland transfer...

"Manchester City have announced the signing of Erling Haaland from Borussia Dortmund in a deal worth £51m. City have paid the 21-year-old's release clause and expect to pay £85.5m in total when agent fees, signing bonus and other costs are taken into account."

For sure, that is a lot in fees but it is not out of the scope of what I would expect. This deal did not reach 100 mil which is what you would expect at the bare minimum for Haaland....thr rumoured fee of 130 from Chelsea would be much more in line let's be honest. Dortmund could have offered Haaland and dad 30 mil just to jack up his contract release fee knowing they could cash in for at least a 100 mil+ but it didn't happen....and have to ask myself why.

The fees circulating Norwegian media was that Haaland Sr was compensated around £28mill, Raiolas company close to £40mill. Dortmund £50’ish.

The point is still that the lower the transfer fee to Dortmund, the more available for compensation to Haaland&Co.
 
The fees circulating Norwegian media was that Haaland Sr was compensated around £28mill, Raiolas company close to £40mill. Dortmund £50’ish.

The point is still that the lower the transfer fee to Dortmund, the more available for compensation to Haaland&Co.
No wonder so many clubs pulled their interest. Paying those amounts to an agent or family member is an aberration.
 
No wonder so many clubs pulled their interest. Paying those amounts to an agent or family member is an aberration.

It should be illegal. In the US, agent commissions are limited to like 2-6% of the player's wage and there are no massive fees or bonuses given to an agent and family for a transfer (what we call free agency, trade, or draft). An agent would likely get a cut of any bonus money the player received but it's not a ridiculous number life half, and so forth.

Now, there are amounts MLB clubs have paid for Japanese and Korean baseball players and the likes of MLS, NBA, and NHL have paid for overseas talents. I'm not aware of any direct payments paid to an agent as part of a transfer fee paid but perhaps there have been. And I'll stand by my belief these sorts of payments should be illegal from a club to agent. It should come from the player's compensation as the agent is acting on the player's behalf.
 
The fees circulating Norwegian media was that Haaland Sr was compensated around £28mill, Raiolas company close to £40mill. Dortmund £50’ish.

The point is still that the lower the transfer fee to Dortmund, the more available for compensation to Haaland&Co.

I am pretty sure there may be more "hidden fees" which was taken care off by offshore accounts. Or suddenly Haaland's dad has some business dealing with Abu Dhabi government owned companies?
 
It should be illegal. In the US, agent commissions are limited to like 2-6% of the player's wage and there are no massive fees or bonuses given to an agent and family for a transfer (what we call free agency, trade, or draft). An agent would likely get a cut of any bonus money the player received but it's not a ridiculous number life half, and so forth.

Now, there are amounts MLB clubs have paid for Japanese and Korean baseball players and the likes of MLS, NBA, and NHL have paid for overseas talents. I'm not aware of any direct payments paid to an agent as part of a transfer fee paid but perhaps there have been. And I'll stand by my belief these sorts of payments should be illegal from a club to agent. It should come from the player's compensation as the agent is acting on the player's behalf.
I know some of the big European clubs have talked about it and the ESL project contemplated a hard cap on agents fees too. But a lot of the big agents work together with the media and there's been no serious progress on the issue yet.

In South American football it's even worse because they haven't yet fully managed to eliminate third party ownership despite FIFA banning it some years ago.
 
I am pretty sure there may be more "hidden fees" which was taken care off by offshore accounts. Or suddenly Haaland's dad has some business dealing with Abu Dhabi government owned companies?

Yep there are, you can probably say the whole squad and management have the same set up. It was publicised that Mancini had two contracts, one with City & one with Abu Dhabi for the same job.

https://www.spiegel.de/internationa...osed-chapter-4-a-global-empire-a-1236622.html
 
I can't begin to imagine if City is doing a second employer type thing with players, scouts, staff, etc. I presume to be proven is tax record sampling but that's assuming 1) sampling finds person(s) are claiming possible secondary/additional wages, and 2) how the additional payment/wages are recorded in Abu Dhabi if earned there*. Like per say City Group pays player X 10 million for football services but a further 5 million in July when the player reports to X location in Abu Dhabi for whatever reason, let's say a football clinic, and paid for by let's say the Abu Dhabi Sports Authority (or whatever). There's an easy circumvention around FFP, assuming it cannot be stopped. It would not need to be in a contract that I'm aware of, it could be considered an endorsement, or a separate payment for services rendered, verbally agreed between agent and player and a third party, and it would not be paid by City FC despite it all being the same fecking parent shell. It could also be hidden but that opens a player (and club) to severe punishment if not reporting wages. I'd be curious if Mancini reported the additional income in his returns. And I would expect the PL discovery team looking into such.

Herein becomes the issue of a STATE paying persons that would never occur if not employed by a club the STATE owns, and probably why clubs like Real don't openly court City players - they're blown away by requested compensation. Granted, Joe Schmo owner of Club Z could also do the same but much more difficult to negotiate a third party endorsement and especially for publicly reported companies, let alone a STATE organization. The Glazers can't offer a player a services rendered payment in the offseason from the federal/state government, nor can it guarantee a potential endorsement with let's say the Hard Rock Casino in Florida. Abu Dhabi and Saudi could theoretically do this, it's really up to the player to claim on his tax return(s) as far I understand taxes. If legal and/or tax expert is lurking about please chime in, I could be way off.

*US tax returns have a section to report income received outside the US and I presume so do other nations. And perhaps Abu Dhabi can pay the person X wages when in country, which may be easier to avoid various rules in England for this scenario.
 
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So they're playing the victim. Poor Citeh shouldn't have to follow the rules, because bigger clubs have money that they earned to spend. Small club with the worst fans around. The premier league should expel them and let them start again in non league football. 115. Cheats.
 
Surely City don't go on that offensive unless they know they have the votes to do so?

Or they have gathered the best lawyers money can buy and think they have a chance. Litigation like this will be astronomically expensive - one way of doping is that City can afford to do this ad infinitum, so lose this and it’s not the end. Win this and it basically is.

This is grim.
 
I fully expect City to win these legal battles because I don’t think the Premier League will have the legal resources to come out on top.
 
I think it depends on who's on their side. If the clubs that are backing City are the top 6 then the premier league is in trouble.
Surely none of the big three in us, Liverpool and arsenal will agree with them, not after all that has happened.

Even chelsea should have no incentive to back them after their ownership change.
 
This very much feels like a last chance for English fans to save the game. Now is the time to create pressure on the league and its clubs.
 
The game is finished if they win this. Might as well make them the governing body of football.
 
The new anchoring proposal to limit clubs to spending 4.5 times the domestic broadcast revenue of the lowest earning club is interesting to see in this light. That might have been a preemptive step taken in case City win this dispute over associated party transactions.