And this is how traditional fans comfort themselves whilst seeing the City fanbase grow and grow due to their current success, and those traditional fans will still prize their traditional rivalries over opposing City, because all City's success feels hollow to them. It's not going to matter how it feels to you once the next generation are baked in. City are the enemy, over and above all other forms of traditional support.
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th September 2024
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And this is how traditional fans comfort themselves whilst seeing the City fanbase grow and grow due to their current success, and those traditional fans will still prize their traditional rivalries over opposing City, because all City's success feels hollow to them. It's not going to matter how it feels to you once the next generation are baked in. City are the enemy, over and above all other forms of traditional support.
I shoulda been more clear, I meant for me. Like I can come in here and disagree with you guys and there'll be the occasional flare up on both sides but nothing crazy. You guys would be perma banned elsewhere.
Whilst true I think that also applies to a certain % of the CAF
Fair play, I'll gladly hold my hand up and say I drank the kool aid when it first happened Live and learn I guess.
That's how it should be, TBH there's a few I think should probably be perma-banned in here never mind elsewhere!
100% this. Watching Sky Sports is painful now. If City win 4 in a row, Richards will be drawing up the comparisons with United of old, talking of how this surpasses anything done before.
It's like when Carragher picked the combined 11 from the 19/20 Liverpool team and the United treble team with Keane, and Keane just had no interest because how could you compare one season with that team?
Watching pundits is more akin to Fan TV now, everything is sensationalised and there's too much comparison / using achievements of X to diminish Y etc etc..
I'm a United fan, I don't think anything will ever beat the romance of the Class of 92, just like City fans will never forget the Pep era and will claim they are the best. Is there one right view? No.
Maybe it's just selective memory from me, but I feel there was less bitterness about United back then. Maybe just the modern footballer / clubs are less likeable too, even your own respective team.
Yeah that will always be the sticking point, and maybe that made it easier for others to swallow, outside of Liverpool that is.
However, I think times are different now. It doesn't matter to most how it is done, only that it's their side on top, and for the media they just want a narrative.
City's potential dirty laundry would have taken up many more column inches and been a much greater sticking point 2 or 3 decades ago. It's barely written about these days, because the story about the success gets more clicks and keeps certain people relevant.
Selective memory, everyone hated us and were very bitter about it, the difference between now and then is social media
There was so much bitterness that those people who grew up hating us, still hate us 30 years later and have made their children hate us too.
Nah I disagree, but maybe I’m being naive.
I feel a lot more of our fans would be disgusted at the potential of endemic cheating and would be honest with themselves.
But it’s like comparing apples with oranges on a social level. You’d have to rewrite our club history to get a similar reaction.
Your fans have had a chip on your shoulders due to being in the lower leagues and us dominating/ being the bigger club for decades. Then Abu Dhabi came in but the chip was still there, and I feel that plays a huge part psychologically with the defensiveness and delusion of City fans.
You said it yourself, you guys are now doing the bullying but the chip on the shoulder is still there so you will never feel guilty about it.
With the Qatar thing for us, I believe the split was around 50/50.
Edit: obviously your the exception, and some other city fans will be similar
Fair enough!
For the record, I definitely think there was plenty of bitterness, I just meant less. But there was also a bit of grudging respect too.
Perhaps yeah, but I really don't sense this bitterness with City at all from other clubs. I speak to matchgoers at a lot of PL clubs and generally speaking the majority don't care either way about them.
Yeah I get that too. For me personally, I have to admit that the casual dismissal of their success is more a coping mechanism to say I'm not deeply bitter about them.
For me, the 115 charges is just another avenue to reinforce that, but being honest with myself, I think with Pep in charge they would have had exactly the same success whether they cooked the books or not.
They also have a machine in-place in the backroom staff which will continue identifying and signing key talents and flogging off those that don't live up to standard. The next manager can easily walk the league at a 3-in-4 pace with this continuity and structure remaining intact, similar to Bayern.
Unless they sign a Moyes type perhaps but they'll likely sign the proper manager that fits the club ethos and philosophy.
It will actually be interesting to see who they target in a few years. It was said years back that Brendan Rodgers was someone very highly rated within their hierarchy but little chance of that now as it would be Moyes esque.
Get the feeling Pep would recommend someone like De Zerbi but Liverpool overlooked him given Brighton's disappointing second half of the season. Maresca just got Leicester up so see if he has the same issues playing out from the back and not adapting as Kompany did.
Probably one of the best fits would be Arteta but that would be a nuclear reaction if he quit Arsenal to join Man. City.
If you want a Guardiola profile of someone endlessly winning leagues/CLs it would be Ancelotti but that's someone right at the end of his coaching career now compared to others mentioned above.
So many blind people that can't or maybe don't want to see this. It's already too late.
Everyone was laughing at us when we lost title on the last day, then I didn't see a lot Liverpool fans laughing in their Klopp's era and I doubt that Arsenal fans find last 2 years very amusing.
A lot of clubs and fans can't see a bigger picture. City will probably win next 7 of
10 titles. They are basicaly playing on cheat mode. I already wrote, clubs should just refuse to play against them. If the FA is making circus of EPL then let them have it.
Yeah and sadly PL cannot compete with the might of UAE so will only be one winner on this. Obviously it will never happen in a million years but how I would love the other teams to unite and threaten not to play City unless action is taken against them.
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It is incredibly embarassing and bad for the Premier League that a team with 115 charges hanging over them, a team whose owners pay the refs who officiate that same team, a team that is owned and backed by a fecking state, has steamrolled the league for a 4th year running.
It makes a mockery of the "competition". I think it devalues it entirely.
It makes a mockery of the "competition". I think it devalues it entirely.
The PL faffing around with their charge sheet and dick in hand approach has essentially meant City have cantered to another record breaking title without breaking a sweat, whilst they have immediately docked point from clubs they consider lesser for much smaller crimes.
The PL truly are a pathetic, spineless, incompetent and corrupt organisation. Just like their mates at UEFA.
The PL truly are a pathetic, spineless, incompetent and corrupt organisation. Just like their mates at UEFA.
I am done with PL when they get away with it but will always have the cup competitions to watch
Have to give credit to City. Their 4peat would be just as impressive and remarkable as Lance Armstrong’s Tour de France 7peat.
That has to be the biggest farce and then just to rub salt in the wound that was part of a treble too
The PL leadership exist to push the product. Success is measured in eyeballs and money, nothing else. If the media eco system doesn't care that the dominant team might be cheating, neither do the PL.
The only way City will get properly punished is if the product was at risk. If fans started forcing broadcasters to acknowledge the idiocy of it. But none have. There are no protests, no walk outs. Barely a whimper as we hope they'll do the right thing.
So why would the PL act? And that's before the clear influence on the UK power structure.
It's just an excellent example of sportswashing working. City are even good at that. Which isn't hard when you have unlimited money and no concept of adhering to laws or regulations.
The only way City will get properly punished is if the product was at risk. If fans started forcing broadcasters to acknowledge the idiocy of it. But none have. There are no protests, no walk outs. Barely a whimper as we hope they'll do the right thing.
So why would the PL act? And that's before the clear influence on the UK power structure.
It's just an excellent example of sportswashing working. City are even good at that. Which isn't hard when you have unlimited money and no concept of adhering to laws or regulations.
Everton and Forest admitted their breaches, so proceedings moved straight to the sanctions.
City are taking theirs to a panel and have actively frustrated the investigation and proceedings.
Preparation to prosecute/defend the most widespread amd longstanding corruption scheme known to any modern sport is not going to be resolved overnight.
The EPL can either deal with them quickly or correctly. Not both. I know which one I'd choose to prevent any opportunity to appeal to any higher authority (albeit the EPL's constitution infers they are the highest authority).
Yeah it's a sad end to a once competitive league,like you say no one is willing to call these cheats out because no risk to the product unfortunately
City have already walked all over Premier League
Yes. But i think the PR stuff related to sportswashing is overall irrelevant compared with the investments they have made in the local area and the influence they can potentially have on politicians. Worked wonders for russians in London until….
Excellent points. The Qatar thread said it all, really.
Well at least you insist on being honest. Cheating is built into the success of Abu Dhabi “city”. That’s how you fast track the whole process past rules and restrictions. The 115 charges are real.
Never forget that City exist just to ameliorate the reputation of the UAE globally. If you support City, you now support the UAE as the two entities are indistinguishable.
That means you also support the 10000 children killed or maimed in Yemen by your owners. The 130000 killed through starvation or other causes, including 85000 children, by your owners.
It's important to not forget that to support or defend City, is to advocate war crimes and the murder of children.
That means you also support the 10000 children killed or maimed in Yemen by your owners. The 130000 killed through starvation or other causes, including 85000 children, by your owners.
It's important to not forget that to support or defend City, is to advocate war crimes and the murder of children.
That's complete nonsense though. That's like saying that pair of trainers you own means you support child labour and exploitation.
Why not list all the products you have, buy, have bought, borrowed or consumed over the years, all the films you've watched, all the artists whose songs you've listened to, all the newspapers, magazines and books you've bought or read so we can see test your ethics.
That peanut butter you in your cupboard suggests you support the destruction of the rainforest. Presumably you want people to remember that when considering your high horsery.
Quite apart from knowingly funding sexual predators through your Netflix subscription. Openingly supporting - no, financing - sexual assault. How could you?
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When have my Hoka Clifton 8s been used as an advertisement campaign for a murderous autocratic state regime?
What a bizarre post.
This is by far the longest he has spent at any club, is he not getting tired?
For anyone thinking it’s just the volume of charges that means it takes this long…
Prevaricating to the nth degree.
Prevaricating to the nth degree.
That thread really made me doubt coming on here and the fan base in general.
Had to listen to this mornings game while driving to work. No idea who the commentators were but the main guy was enough to make you sick.
“Huge effort to win 4 leagues in a row”
“no one thought they could do it”
made it sound like city were some plucky underdog while no mention of the mass amount of charges they were facing.
Another good one was “pretty good for a league two Caliber player” referring to Haarland, completely missing the point on what Keane actually said.
“Huge effort to win 4 leagues in a row”
“no one thought they could do it”
made it sound like city were some plucky underdog while no mention of the mass amount of charges they were facing.
Another good one was “pretty good for a league two Caliber player” referring to Haarland, completely missing the point on what Keane actually said.
The thing that surprised me about this is players don’t care or even know. They did one of those quizzes with a player from each team about naming the champions since the PL started in backwards order and most of them are just guessing after a season or two. Someone even said United for like 4 seasons ago
Granted many players are not from the UK but it was incredible how many didn’t know City were on for a 4th in a row and were just guessing Arsenal, United, Pool as a lottery.
They're snivelling parasites aren't they. Never forget that many of these media "personalities" have taken huge amounts of money from the states that run these clubs. To pretend it doesn't shall we say influence their talking points would be naive in the extreme. That plus the outright terror of litigation from clubs that have armies of hundreds of lawyers is a cocktail for investigative news suppression if there ever was one.