I’m fully against this type of stuff in football, but we’re not going to win any medals for not doing it when nobody gives a shit about City et al doing the same.
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th September 2024
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I’m fully against this type of stuff in football, but we’re not going to win any medals for not doing it when nobody gives a shit about City et al doing the same.
It's a slippery slope. It needs to be stopped entirely before we're in a huge mess of every single club being under an umbrella of ownership and players moving around the same pathways. It's dull and as I said, ruins the integrity of it all.
Sure, they did it with Lampard. This is just more of the same.
It's utter shite. I feel sorry for clubs that are in the chain. Said it in the thread about multi-club ownership but a few PL clubs (Burnley and Bournemouth) are now purchasing Scottish teams and have made no secret about the fact that the Scottish teams are just going to be the small club in the chain.
It must be so demoralising to be one of those clubs. You're just being used to benefit some other team.
This unconditional love from Bayern fans towards City is nauseating.
Probably you care about Sesko because he was linked to Man Utd and some fans were disappointed to lose him in what seemed like an inhouse dealing
Salzburg to Leipzig transfers will be close to a dozen before Sesko and very few raised dust
I was taking the Sesko case as the most recent one that came to mind but no, you are mistaken - loads of people on this forum have raised the multi club ownership model as being a real issue. It's just not discussed in media because they're absolutely shite at their jobs.
So we are kay or overlook it as long as they don't threaten our clubs the ones at the top. Leipzig Watford model has been upsetting the Freiburg, Augsburg Leeds, Southampton before now. The way City upset United fans and Hull City probably doesnt care much. They get shafted either way and for long by the big boys anyway.
Red Bull dont own RB Salzburg they only sponsor them so Sesko moving from there to Leipzig is a lot different to players moving between clubs with the same owners.
Yes I'm aware of this, although the conflict of interest (which is at the heart of this issue) still absolutely exists in this situation. I don't believe for a second that RB Salzburg and RB Leipzig don't prefer to deal with each other, all things being equal, than other clubs.
Not the point I was making, no.
Though I guess in terms of a Man United forum then, yeah, there'll be more discussion about things that directly effect us more, just like other clubs forums will have more discussion about the stuff that effects them the most.
But my main point was more about the public and media in general. And, generally speaking, there seems much more of an outcry when the culprits deemed to be guilty / getting away with it are the more rich and powerful than the 'underdogs'.
In this situation, I don't think it annoys people that nouveau riche clubs are coming along and looking to find ways around FFP - as they've bought into the narrative that it's only been introduced to keep the status quo for the big teams so finding ways around it are 'fine' - and that includes the multi club thing as it's mostly, so far, not been done by 'traditional big powers'.
I agree that's wrong. And it shouldn't have been allowed to have become such a growing thing. I was just giving my reasons why I think if hasn't been highlighted, objected to and stamped out as it should have been.
Come on, there was a box ticking excerise to get around UEFA regulations so both teams could compete in Europe. In reality all they did was remove a few people from certain positions and change how some money was being spent.
Red Bull still effectively owns both teams.
That's certainly how I understood it, yeah. Just finding a way that the ownership can be deemed legal in a way all the clubs can still compete in European competitions.
That's almost certainly all it was.
https://www.redbull.com/my-en/teams/rb-leipzig
https://www.redbull.com/my-en/red-bull-salzburg-10-in-a-row
Why would you brand and trumpet a team you no longer own?
Hey, I very publicly and in an outspoken way hate them and everything they represent.
Hard for us to moan about this when our new joint owner has 3 clubs. And if Todibo joins us for a snip, then we'll all be quite pleased with the set up.
I would argue that this model has more merit, because the clubs and scouting networks put the work in to find and develop players. The nursery clubs also benefit financially, and looking at Girona and Nice's current league positions, they seem to be riding high in their own leagues. Unlike previously. So it seems to be a win win situation.
We only find this crooked and underhand because it is attached to City, who have clearly broken just about every rule in the book for inflating bogus sponsorship deals, offering dual bank accounts for players and managers, to hide huge bonus payments, tapping up youngsters and failure to co-operate in an ongoing investigation.
We all know they are dirty, but this is the least of their crimes.
I would argue that this model has more merit, because the clubs and scouting networks put the work in to find and develop players. The nursery clubs also benefit financially, and looking at Girona and Nice's current league positions, they seem to be riding high in their own leagues. Unlike previously. So it seems to be a win win situation.
We only find this crooked and underhand because it is attached to City, who have clearly broken just about every rule in the book for inflating bogus sponsorship deals, offering dual bank accounts for players and managers, to hide huge bonus payments, tapping up youngsters and failure to co-operate in an ongoing investigation.
We all know they are dirty, but this is the least of their crimes.
Every time this thread is on top I am thinking somethings being done.
If football don't follow its own rules it will implode. Sooner than we think.
If football don't follow its own rules it will implode. Sooner than we think.
Is it? I absolutely want multi-club ownership gone and have already said I think INEOS should sell Nice and Laussane. It's a conflict of interest and any Todibo transfer would be messy and not feel good either.
But judging by the Greenwood thread it seems I'm in the minority as football > morality most of the time for people.
Don’t think it will. Some people will turn away. But they’ll compensate by whoring the game out to other countries and easily make more money than before.
While probably true in terms of the hypocrisy of some fans looking to defend it as soon as their club becomes 'part of the problem' too, I'd say that it's not true that the only reason many people have a problem with it is because of City.
Personally speaking, I've long been questioning the validity of teams like Watford / Udinese / Granada being owned by the same people (all these ownerships are tweaked in different ways but it's basically the same owners doing business with themselves!) When Watford got promoted from the Championship with loads of players on loan from their Serie A and La Liga teams they co-owned, I didn't think that was right. When Watford became the 'bigger' team by being in the PL, and started loaning loads of their players to the other two I still thought it was dodgy.
And same with the Red Bull ownership model and there many signings between the clubs. And obviously the City Football Group is the most significant for us because it directly effects us the most, so gets more comments on here. But it all should have been addressed ages ago in my opinion. As it all creates potential conflicts of interests, allows teams to do a FFP equivalent of money laundering, and when it's done on as big as scale as the City Group it distorts the market as it allows the same owners of mass clubs to sign up loads of talent from all over the place and have a say on who they play for, who they don't sign for, etc. It's manipulating the market in a global way that shouldn't be allowed from the same owners.
I'll happily moan, just because our new minority owner has a multi club model doesn't mean it's now right. It should be banned completely. If you invest in football, your money should be going completely into one club.
The issue is how would they actually stop/police this - I'm not sure it's possible to stop to be honest - so it's just something we will moan about but will never change.
Todibo isn't going to be a cut price dodgy deal though. It's going to be at full value on an arms length basis in competition with other clubs.
Some people have already had enough. I know few of them. I can only guess that if I know people everyone else does that to. Some people can quickly become lot of people.
Because that’s one of the many differences between us and city and why when we win something it counts for something whereas when city win something it counts for nothing other than stopping real clubs winning
so the moral highground
Will this affect Girona if/when they qualify for CL or EL?
well I call it not cheating but yea if you like
I don't know, but I very much doubt it. These multi club owners know how to juggle the board / supposed ownership to get round the restrictions.
As other multi club owners have managed to do it, then I'm sure City Group will have all that covered already and be able to somehow do the same.
So 100m Grealish is binned then?
So many things wrong with the modern game.
So many things wrong with the modern game.
They own less than 50%. Won't be a problem.
Like Maguire Antony Sancho Enzo etc and other big money signings will likely be binned very soon and most likely wont win the EPL or CL
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Wha?
It's not hard at all, loads of people have been saying that Ineos's other ownerships was an issue.
Unh? What are you even going on about? You're a strange poster.
City are in major danger of having everything stripped from them because of how blatantly bollocks it's all been.
If not having that happen to us is the moral high ground then yes please. It's like watching someone being sentenced to years in jail for fraud and going "Ugh wish I'd have done that instead of being all moral".
It does, but it should have been addressed years ago. The ruling bodies seemingly have no appetite to put an end to it and it’s barely mentioned in the media. Basically, it’s not going to change unless the fans openly revolt against it, and I can’t really see that happening anytime soon.
Football sold its soul and crossed a line many years ago, this is just the next evolutionary step in that. Ironically, I think more widespread adoption by clubs like United will only put a greater spotlight on it, which I guess is a good thing.
City are in major danger of having everything stripped from them because of how blatantly bollocks it's all been.
If not having that happen to us is the moral high ground then yes please. It's like watching someone being sentenced to years in jail for fraud and going "Ugh wish I'd have done that instead of being all moral".
City have been sitting on these "allegations" for how long and feck all has been done?
again though....this was more about how they have a consortium of clubs taht can buy different players and then move them which if i'm correct currently is NOT against any sort of transfer rule
is there a rule or law in place by FIFA against transferring a player between clubs owned by the same group??? i mean city and red bull have been doing it for years without consequence