cyberman
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Isn’t there a law saying if clubs go to outside courts they get expelled?
What's almost as depressing as the husk that is City is how the U.K. has just allowed it to happen with absolutely feck all meaningful pushback. The media, the governing bodies etc. It makes a complete mockery of the sport, the fans, fair competition. Representative of what the country has become. Ineffectual and corrupt.While we’re at it. Have there ever been meaningful stories about City‘s cheating coming from English papers? To me it feels like most of it comes from other countries.
It’s about Competition Law here in the UK, the PL are not exempt from those laws.So Manchester City are essentially now the governing body of the Premier League.
Great summary. And there is barely any reason to believe the league is able to put an end to this abomination.Turns out what was incredulous was the notion they’d misbehave just to compete and then fall in line.. in fact, since then: they’ve refused to cooperate beyond 2019; obfuscated at every turn and have made it clear that they will use their legal team to protract for as long as it takes; started to farm from “parent” clubs… and now, they’ve the brass neck to dictate to the league what it is or is not permitted to do…
They’re not quieting down; they are actively getting worse. Even if the issue was to deal with what they have done to get where they are, perhaps an even more pressing one is putting them in their place and in line with the conduct of everyone else. They are flagrant in acting above the laws in place to govern the league they have wilfully signed up to play in and their conduct is now openly mocking that and everything it is supposed to stand for. The league has created a monster it cannot handle and is actively being kept in the pen that was intended for it. All out in open display for us all to see.
Evidently it’s growing before our eyes - even if you’re of the opinion they had a right to break the old club monopoly, what they’re doing now is going beyond that to establish their own order, which is quite something when you consider the unassuming acorns all this originated from.Great summary. And there is barely any reason to believe the league is able to put an end to this abomination.
Which is bollox.It’s about Competition Law here in the UK, the PL are not exempt from those laws.
But as long as long as the media doesn't do their job and plaster their wrongdoings left, right and centre it won't really be meaningless for them. Their efforts at sportswashing in the US are bearing fruit.
The media are entirely complicit in this. They have a vested interest in the status quo being maintained, and will mostly just shut up about it.100%
The media love in is just ridiculous.
I bet if you look at advertising and sponsors of said papers you'd find some answers to as to why they don't. And the one's that don't are probably terrified of their army of lawyers.The media are entirely complicit in this. They have a vested interest in the status quo being maintained, and will mostly just shut up about it.
The fact that every article about City doesn't begin and end with an exhaustive list of their alleged (but documented thanks to the leaks) wrongdoings is frankly insane. The fact the waters are constantly muddled with "yeah but they play pretty football" just ensures the perception of them is not in line with their actual behaviour as a club.
The media have dropped the ball big time with them, but I doubt they ever intended on carrying said ball anyway.
Apprently it’s just down to City having an abnormal amount of prime time kick offs compared to others
They really, really don't want to play fair do they? I wonder why...
Yes we have spent a lot of silly money but our sponsorships don't come from a Glazer owned company or their friends. They are real sponsorships based on real market value on the basis of companies wanting to use our brand to expand their outreach.I used to be apathetic about their financial doping because we, also have spent a lot of money but they really are a disgusting club.
Very likely.I bet if you look at advertising and sponsors of said papers you'd find some answers to as to why they don't. And the one's that don't are probably terrified of their army of lawyers.
I used to be apathetic about their financial doping because we, also have spent a lot of money but they really are a disgusting club.
What do you suggest the fans should have done?Very likely.
Though I’d like to add that while I think it’s great and only right to criticise the government and the media for their part in all this, I still believe that the premier league fans, not just those of City, get an unwarranted free pass in most of these discussions. Instead of doing whatever they could to stop all this shit, a whole lot of them sat back, doing nothing and hoped their club might also be „chosen“ in the same way. And when it happened to them, they actually cheered their new generous owners, as could be seen with Newcastle.
The government and media failed the fans. But the fans failed themselves and the game.
The silly thing is they would still have been successful doing things by the book, not as successful, but it would have been better for the league. Imagine their team without a few of their key signings and more youth players, they'd still have won a few PL's, it's not like there's a real powerhouse team with United in the doldrums, Chelsea being very hit and miss and Pool having a few years of being very good, also having some mediocre years.I used to be apathetic about their financial doping because we, also have spent a lot of money but they really are a disgusting club.
Very likely.
Though I’d like to add that while I think it’s great and only right to criticise the government and the media for their part in all this, I still believe that the premier league fans, not just those of City, get an unwarranted free pass in most of these discussions. Instead of doing whatever they could to stop all this shit, a whole lot of them sat back, doing nothing and hoped their club might also be „chosen“ in the same way. And when it happened to them, they actually cheered their new generous owners, as could be seen with Newcastle.
The government and media failed the fans. But the fans failed themselves and the game.
They've got backup too now with Newcastle and probably Chelsea. It's good that you have INEOS > Qatar too as you'd start doing this stuff also. We have also done it and tried it with Usmanov in regards to our stadium rights etc. Basically comes down to who the UK likes and doesn't like and doesn't want to piss off and don't care if they piss off. It's entrenched in politcs now.
Organise and protest. At every stadium at every game. Doesn’t mean you’ll achieve success. But at least you tried. But sitting back in an apathetic manner and blaming the media and government for everything doesn’t change anything.What do you suggest the fans should have done?
Well said. It's sport. If you start cheating, what's the point? It becomes completely hollow.It's a slippery slope. It needs to be stopped entirely before we're in a huge mess of every single club being under an umbrella of ownership and players moving around the same pathways. It's dull and as I said, ruins the integrity of it all.
Organise and protest. At every stadium at every game. Doesn’t mean you’ll achieve success. But at least you tried. But sitting back in an apathetic manner and blaming the media and government for everything doesn’t change anything.
I still think whatever pushback there was, was shockingly little and unorganised.
And that’s part of why the government and media can do as they please. They have nothing to fear by those affected.
It's fine in theory but it would have led to nothing and would have been ignored. It's also unfair to blame the current situation on the fans when they've been fed misinformation for about a couple of decades. I know that this comes from a place of fans being more integrated into the structure of the game as it is in Germany, but this is just not the case in English football (and I know you would argue that that's a bad thing and that's fine) which therefore means you have an entirely different context and playing field and it's unrealistic to have this expectation - and unfair to assign blame on the fans.Organise and protest. At every stadium at every game. Doesn’t mean you’ll achieve success. But at least you tried. But sitting back in an apathetic manner and blaming the media and government for everything doesn’t change anything.
I still think whatever pushback there was, was shockingly little and unorganised.
And that’s part of why the government and media can do as they please. They have nothing to fear by those affected.
I disagree. I know you’re lacking structure and organisation. Which is why I don’t understand at all why nobody seems to do anything to change that. What else needs to happen for fans to see the need to organise themselves and reclaim their game?It's fine in theory but it would have led to nothing and would have been ignored. It's also unfair to blame the current situation on the fans when they've been fed misinformation for about a couple of decades. I know that this comes from a place of fans being more integrated into the structure of the game as it is in Germany, but this is just not the case in English football (and I know you would argue that that's a bad thing and that's fine) which therefore means you have an entirely different context and playing field and it's unrealistic to have this expectation - and unfair to assign blame on the fans.
Another episode from Etihad
Apathetic is unfair. Fans have been vocal on this. Disorganised and lacking a coherent structure approach would be fairer.I disagree. I know you’re lacking structure and organisation. Which is why I don’t understand at all why nobody seems to do anything to change that. What else needs to happen for fans to see the need to organise themselves and reclaim their game?
And to avoid any misunderstandings. The media and the government share the most and biggest part of the blame. By far. But the apathetic behaviour of the fans is a factor as well. And maybe English fans should work on changing that.
The change in perception of the general public takes time but you can see it, just look at the number of sports events and celebrities now living/competing in Saudi for example.Does sportswashing work or do people simply not care. I don't think any better or worse of any oil states due to their involvement in any of the sports I follow.
Relegate them to the counties league, have the Etihad knocked down and used for spare parts to build new Trafford.
Give Pep a big slap right upon his shiny dome
All form an orderly queue …Relegate them to the counties league, have the Etihad knocked down and used for spare parts to build new Trafford.
Give Pep a big slap right upon his shiny dome
That’s fair.Apathetic is unfair. Fans have been vocal on this. Disorganised and lacking a coherent structure approach would be fairer.
Again, I believe you're putting an unfair burden on fans. It's never going to happen the way you think it is, and that's ok. And that doesn't mean they're "apathetic". The issues are well known and should be dealt with by the governing bodies, reported on fairly and in an unbiased way by the media.That’s fair.
The important thing is that all this can change. And thanks to social media, much quicker than it used to. I really hope English fans will understand this and start to organise. It’s long overdue.
What's happening with the Everton takeover btw? 777 Partners also own 4 clubs across Europe and one in Brazil.
Everton voted against the related party loan rules a couple months ago and it's not unplausible to think they could be against any future rule changes too, if the takeover goes through.
I think that was already gone when a certain Russian oligarch purchased Chelsea. City are just the logical continuation.
Boycott. It's the only thing what would have a chance of working.Like what exactly?
Boycott. It's the only thing what would have a chance of working.