It’s obvious this is going to happen. It’s already been revealed that Man City have came up in conversations between the British government and Abu Dhabi.
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th September 2024
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It’s obvious this is going to happen. It’s already been revealed that Man City have came up in conversations between the British government and Abu Dhabi.
I think there will be multiple relegations and obviously the titles will be stripped, but the key issue going forward will be the ownership. The present owners clearly can't be allowed to continue if, as it seems, they've not only cheated and lied, they've made it as difficult as possible to get to the truth.
You firmly believe in what you're saying and have done ever since the topic was raised. I'm in the camp that believes anything and everything will be done to get them off or have them done lightly with a punishment that doesn't tarnish the league nor upset their owners or put the government in a precarious position where billions go up in smoke.
We'll see, but for now, the notion anything serious will happen to them is still risible to me.
It will be interesting how Man City "get away with it". They will get away with it if course.
If Chelsea "get away with it", it'll be because it was under previous ownership and Clearlake self snitched. If they don't give any kind of merit for self snitching and being helpful, everyone going forward will just go the Man City route.
If Chelsea "get away with it", it'll be because it was under previous ownership and Clearlake self snitched. If they don't give any kind of merit for self snitching and being helpful, everyone going forward will just go the Man City route.
Chelsea's does seem to be a very different case to be fair. And I agree, self reporting should come with some kind of relief.
Though it does seem like Chelsea need to face some pretty severe sanctions as well for long term cheating. Who would have thought that Roman was cooking the books?
The PL is a cooperative? What are they going to do? Bribe the other 19 clubs to drop the investigation?
I think a transfer ban might do the club some good!
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Depending on the nature of the cheating, I care more or less. Bribing refs or oppo players is obviously the worst.
Overpaying agents? I don't really give a shit about that.
Can easily see this becoming a diplomatic issue.
Anyone know where I can watch the full thing from today? I have seen little clips online.
If it does come to that, then what is stopping them from continuing to cheat, because they know the UK government is protecting them from any punishment?
Also what's to the stop every team in the league from deciding to cheat due to seeing City get away with it.
Nothing will ever happen, their transgressions will be whitewashed,.
Their titles will always have an asterisk beside them in my eyes.
Their titles will always have an asterisk beside them in my eyes.
Best thing to happen was the Everton deduction it gives the FA no easy out. I’m fully expecting a relegation minimum in all honesty. Stripping titles won’t bother me too much because their legacy will already be tarnished at that stage anyway.
The majority of clubs don't have a nation state behind them threatening to pull billions of funding out of the country?
IRT the EPL bringing charges, are the clubs involved in any sort of league-wide action? If so, is it only EPL clubs or does it expand to all clubs in the football league system?
For example, NFL ownerships vote on most league-wide actions although the commissioner/league has certain authority in some instances like player conduct. If the EPL is similar then City would need a percentage of clubs to side with them, or cast a no vote/something vote that aids City's defense.
For example, NFL ownerships vote on most league-wide actions although the commissioner/league has certain authority in some instances like player conduct. If the EPL is similar then City would need a percentage of clubs to side with them, or cast a no vote/something vote that aids City's defense.
The most annoying part about the radio silence from the PL/City regarding this case is the gap in information being filled by nonsense conspiracy theories amongst casual fans and journalists that has been accepted as fact by most if not all.
Aye, these things go way above football, especially when state ownership is involved. It didn't take them long to make sure Roman was removed from Chelsea.
It's just like the Newcastle takeover, when it was stalled. Allegedly it only too a few messages from MBS to the PM to get that pushed over ths line.
What's the reason for not saying the date?
Agreed. Brown envelopes for all!
Anything less than a relegation (or two) and I'll be disappointed.
Hear hear!
I think the Premier League gave Everton a harsh punishment to set a precedent before going Armageddon on $hitty!
What conspiracies do you think are afoot or commentary you think isn't feasible?
Money>* this is the way of the world, and if billions of pounds are on the line, you don't think an intervention or some kind of wrangling to prevent that from happening cannot/will not occur?
Money>*. What more is there to it than that?
The ownership group of City can literally threaten the relations between countries, throw the cost of energy into doubt, etc.
It’s why there is a vast sea of difference between billionaire backers and actual state ownership.
If I’m not mistaken the irregularities were in payments that are outside of UEFA penalty reach timelines, and when they occurred they wouldn’t have been violations of PL rules at the time, so …. I don’t see where they matter at all.
I would love to know how they intend to justify having by far the highest wage bill in English Football history despite being a small club that cant sellout its home games, tbe wage bill they currently have is simply not sustainable for a club their size.
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Don't be silly. We all know that Pep > Money.
They will be relegated, appeal it, be overturned and it will drag on for 3-4 years until the PL get a grip on it, then City just breakaway to the Super League.
It’s proven by the media gush over City that all they want is the best players playing together, even if it’s done illegally at a small club who can’t even fill out to watch them. Hence why the owners will be like what the feck are we doing facing all these rules when we could just breakaway and do what we like in our own league, giving the fans what they want. Of course it’s the opposite of what real football fans in this country want.
It’s proven by the media gush over City that all they want is the best players playing together, even if it’s done illegally at a small club who can’t even fill out to watch them. Hence why the owners will be like what the feck are we doing facing all these rules when we could just breakaway and do what we like in our own league, giving the fans what they want. Of course it’s the opposite of what real football fans in this country want.
They have already justified it, they have the biggest revenue in football.
Premier League clubs dominate richest in the world - Deloitte Money League study - BBC Sport
There's huge question mark over whether or not that is actually true though, that article is a year old as well.
If every club does it they can't punish everyone as it will ruin the PL brand.
That's the point though isn't it?
Everybody already knows that there's no way a club like that can genuinely have a bigger revenue than the biggest clubs in Europe.
Indeed, that article is a year old so figures and from before City won the treble and there is no way a club City's size can turnover anywhere near that much and definately almost 30m more than a club like Real Madrid who make millions from shirt sales and merchandise alone thanks to their huge global following.
I hate that it’s clear to absolutely everyone in football what’s gone on with them. It makes the inevitable slap on the wrist that much harder to take.
I actually sympathise with Liverpool fans who’ve lost out on major success due to them, as funny as we all like to say it is. At least we’ve been utter shite and they haven’t really denied us too much. Can’t imagine how we’d all be feeling if we were in Liverpool’s shoes.
Considering how bitter I’m coming across here it would probably be unbearable
I actually sympathise with Liverpool fans who’ve lost out on major success due to them, as funny as we all like to say it is. At least we’ve been utter shite and they haven’t really denied us too much. Can’t imagine how we’d all be feeling if we were in Liverpool’s shoes.
Considering how bitter I’m coming across here it would probably be unbearable
I hate that it’s clear to absolutely everyone in football what’s gone on with them. It makes the inevitable slap on the wrist that much harder to take.
I actually sympathise with Liverpool fans who’ve lost out on major success due to them, as funny as we all like to say it is. At least we’ve been utter shite and they haven’t really denied us too much. Can’t imagine how we’d all be feeling if we were in Liverpool’s shoes.
Considering how bitter I’m coming across here it would probably be unbearable
Liverpool and ourselves have both been denied three titles each by City since the takeover. Arsenal one.
The primary one is the idea that City can buy their way out of any proven allegations. Second is the idea that City will put pressure on the UK government to put pressure on the PL to put pressure on the PL independent panel to find City not guilty, in a way that doesn't rob City and the PL of any credibility in the eyes of the public
As long as we're acknowledging that they are conspiracy theories and not anything based in actual fact, then what's wrong with a little conspiracy fun right?
I hate that it’s clear to absolutely everyone in football what’s gone on with them. It makes the inevitable slap on the wrist that much harder to take.
I actually sympathise with Liverpool fans who’ve lost out on major success due to them, as funny as we all like to say it is. At least we’ve been utter shite and they haven’t really denied us too much. Can’t imagine how we’d all be feeling if we were in Liverpool’s shoes.
Considering how bitter I’m coming across here it would probably be unbearable
Arsenal have been royally fecked by City too though, when they had to tighten their purse strings due to the new stadium, City started poaching their players. That set that back years and turned them into a secondary club.
Then after almost 15 years trying by normal means of struggling to get back, they finally see a chance of a league again but who is there to stop them with their “cough cough nothing to see here” **50 million** pound goal machine.
Both fair points. It actually raises the point of why clubs haven’t done more to push the agenda.
Would be nice to see football clubs try and wrestle back some sort of control over where things are clearly heading. Although the owners of these clubs also clearly want the money from a super league/franchised sport so maybe that answers my question.
So let me ask you straight up: what percentage likelihood do you think there is of these things being improbable?
Hearing, trial, verdict, appeals and so on... Any rules in the UK about time frames in a case like this?
Oh I don't think it's impossible. Stranger things have certainly happened.
Without concrete evidence my baseline is to assign a possibility of 1% to 5%.
Money as a lubricant only goes so far. It's not like the other side (19 clubs, fans, MPs) are powerless here.