This will drag for years. They need to decide that they are guilty (or not). Then they will need months to decide about punishment. Then City will appeal.
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th September 2024
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The punishment will be expulsion because if City go down on one they're likely to go down on the same thing 10 times (once for every year). I don't think after the Everton decision theres any alternative. The issue is how long its taking, as its suggested to run on till 2026 at the earliest
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It's quite funny that Pep says "even" if City get put into League One as if expulsion from EPL/EFL altogether is not the most likely outcome. Not sure if it's arrogance x ignorance, or if he's under instruction to pretend and promote the concept that League 1 is the worst case scenario for them.
I can't stand City at the moment but when the inevitable happens and they end up in the VNL North, I'll probably tune in to Man City v Spennymoor Town F.C..
I can't stand City at the moment but when the inevitable happens and they end up in the VNL North, I'll probably tune in to Man City v Spennymoor Town F.C..
And what's this he's saying that Everton's one accusation and City's 115 accusations are different?!
Idiot!
Idiot!
He's being cure as it'd be league 2 they start in which he isn't guaranteeing.
But he won't possibly be managing them in 3 to 4 years when this happens (if at all) anyway.
That's fact.
Some people can't seem to understand a club allowing and admitting one offence, is different to a club cynically delaying totally unrelated and way more offences.
Good on them but the message is a bit vague tbh, City fans would probably agree but for totally different reasons related to their club's own supposed victimhood.
All this talk reminds me of Juventus and how Sir Alex made a second attempt at signing Del Piero in 2006 after they were relegated. Off topic, I know, sorry, but, man, I'd have loved to have seen Del Piero here.
They could only afford 20 letters
The longer it takes Premier League to take that correct decision the more questions will be why is this taking so long.
All fans are watching and expecting correct decision.
The PL no matter what decision they will find, it will be the wrong one for many different groups and reasons.
To me it's crystal clear the message Everton's fans was conveying. Of all the venue, they choose Eithad Stadium for this banner. City have been blatantly violate every rules in premier league book but for more than a decade nothing happened to them.
Any decision other than demoted to non-league will have close to zero impact on them.
Let's see if there is any banner by plane from Everton fans at the game later. If it's not, it's more telling that they choose to fly the banner at Eithad
It's dark so might not work
Don't ye have regulations against flying planes over stadiums during packed games? Like is there an equivalent of the FAA these planes have to file flight plans with?
Isn’t the delay in City’s case that they are taking the PL to court to fight every single evidence or disclosure? Someone should enlighten me.
Not taking the PL to court, but they're defending (or obstructing, depending on who you speak to) theirselves against the PL's allegations and lawyers.
Given the amount of charges, and the volume of evidence, it's going to take a while.
Long time lurker, first time poster here! I’m not so sure this thing will take as long as some people will expect.
I was reading about this today, and it does seem the PL began their investigation in 2018 a little while after the whole Football Leaks / Der Spiegel exposé’s happened - I would assume the bulk of their investigation has been concluded by the time they referred charges to the independent commission in Feb this year (My take is that having seen how it played out with UEFA/CAS, the PL probably wanted an airtight prosecution before they made the charges official).
I suspect where we at right now is pre trial (almost a year on from when the PL charged City) - City’s lawyers now need to look at the evidence (they’ve probably been doing that since Feb), depositions etc. and prepare their defence as well, after which the commission will determine a date for hearings to begin. Once that date is confirmed, I’d expect trials to conclude within a year at worst because the PL have had 4 years to prepare their case.
Just my 2c on this, if I were a member PL club, I’d just ask the PL to provide transparent updates on where the cases with City and Chelsea (and any others) are at so that the public can have some faith that a verdict will be reached in due course.
Really it should be more something regarding the ownership, that their owners can no longer have any ownership or something. Otherwise they'll just make their way back and nothing will change.
To the tune of 12 days of Christmas.
50 financial inaccuracies,
30 failures in communication,
25 financial breaches,
12 sneaky salaries,
8 bought off gaffers,
5 more breaches.
115 Chaaaaarges
(i realise now this adds up to more than 115 so your numbers above must be off, just like City's)
Are the football league obliged to take them?
I mean, a points deduction that gets them relegated seems possible if unlikely, but why would the Football League want a bunch of cheaters in their competition.
I mean, a points deduction that gets them relegated seems possible if unlikely, but why would the Football League want a bunch of cheaters in their competition.
No, it’s why expulsion is on the the table. The League doesn’t take into consideration if the football league accepts them, that’s not their problem
The same reason why the PL, Manchester council and the British government would want them.
If they are found guilty banning the owners would be pointless when the owner can just hand control over to one of his brothers, cousins, or friends and probably wouldnt make a difference
They'd have to pass a fit and proper owner test. Shenanigans with the sale process would be an obstacle to that.
It'd definitely be one of the punishments i'd be seeking and the most important one in my opinion.
As caid said, the efficiency of it would be dependent on a robust fit & proper test. I have little faith in it considering the one with PIF, but in an ideal world, that's the efficient type of punishment I would envision.
@RedRocket08 my understanding is that there is no trial. There was none for Everton. It's an independent tribunal who make a decision on behalf of the Premier League led by Murray Rosen KC, I think it's three people who make the decision but they can request a hearing and ask for permission to speak to individuals involved etc. Man City have appointed Lord Pannick KC to defend them.
Their obstruction of the case in 2019 is going to cause them a severe headache but the Prem definitely started their investigation earlier, basically when the leaks initially came out.
Their obstruction of the case in 2019 is going to cause them a severe headache but the Prem definitely started their investigation earlier, basically when the leaks initially came out.
@GazTheLegend I know I said ‘pre trial’ (I should’ve used different wording because this won’t work like regular courts) but what I mean is that it’s now probably the stage where Pannick and co prepare to present their defence? I just don’t see why this should take years and years to reach a decision when the case is already built, and the tribunal just needs to consider the evidence - Unless City drag this more than necessary (which would be counter productive considering they have ‘irrefutable evidence’)
They will likely be charged for obstruction, but I’d be really interested to see if the actual charges stick. If they are proven, and given City can’t really take this to CAS - would they then consider the actual civil courts system in the UK (at which point there would actually be a trial)?
While at present, the PL really ends up with egg on their faces whether City/Chelsea get found guilty or not, what would be a solution to ensure that clubs follow FFP guidelines in future?
I liked Gary Neville’s idea of real time accounting - delays in handing out judgements in cases like this are detrimental because the accused team will continue to be in the sport until proven guilty, proactive auditing on the PL’s part puts a stop to that somewhat.
While theirs is not perfect either, maybe an F1 style cost cap which leaves no space for creative accounting? A limit to what clubs can spend on total transfers and wages that levels the playing field somewhat, so that clubs are profitable in the long run and can invest that money into their facilities/youth development/other ventures. This just makes sure that the money earned by clubs actually stays in England + increases the value of the club.
Similar to how the better teams in F1 are allowed less wind tunnel / testing time maybe a similar rule where the top teams in PL this season are only allowed to promote youth players instead of buying players from outside for the next season? Great for England NT of course, and makes the PL a preferred destination for young players. Of course you’d need regulation on how much transfer fees/salaries you’d pay for young players for this to work well.
I liked Gary Neville’s idea of real time accounting - delays in handing out judgements in cases like this are detrimental because the accused team will continue to be in the sport until proven guilty, proactive auditing on the PL’s part puts a stop to that somewhat.
While theirs is not perfect either, maybe an F1 style cost cap which leaves no space for creative accounting? A limit to what clubs can spend on total transfers and wages that levels the playing field somewhat, so that clubs are profitable in the long run and can invest that money into their facilities/youth development/other ventures. This just makes sure that the money earned by clubs actually stays in England + increases the value of the club.
Similar to how the better teams in F1 are allowed less wind tunnel / testing time maybe a similar rule where the top teams in PL this season are only allowed to promote youth players instead of buying players from outside for the next season? Great for England NT of course, and makes the PL a preferred destination for young players. Of course you’d need regulation on how much transfer fees/salaries you’d pay for young players for this to work well.
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I’d love something like this, it works very well in American sports. The challenge will be all the money will move to a new league with less onerous rules and I can’t see an appetite for a global solution.
Have people looked at what will happen post such a scenario? I’m sure the consequences of the potential range of punishments has to be looked at. For instance - expulsion. What will happen then? You have this mighty setup, and no league. Will UAE and other like minded nations try and set up an alternative league? How long would it take them to climb back to the top, and could the League put restrictions on that? Would they have to get past some fit owners test?
When you order your Trinity statue from Wish.com
Half of their fan base won’t know who these guys are.
This is such a huge reminder of what City was and wasn't before cheating and financial doping.
The only history worth remembering is is from the mid 60's - over 50 years ago where the trio won the league in 67/68 (and their other title is all the way back to 36/37.)
Somehow they honour these guys, but there's no statues of players of the current era who are arguably better like Kompany, Aguero, KdB, Silva, etc,
They're acting like they have this rich history.The more they emphasize these guys, when winning back to back titles while cheating, the more ridiculous they look. If I ask a random City-fan out in town (outside of England) who these guys are, they'd all look lost.
That's a blatant copy of our trinity statue
Can they copy our form for the last ten years?