Yeah, I know about Juve and should have put an asterisk there. Asked a few of the Italians that used to be on here about their support and was told they were the most supported team across the country but the stadium attendance thing with them never made sense to me. I wouldn't even know how to draw up those posts, but I was given an answer at the time. They are definitely the odd one out as far as stadium support goes, however. @giorno hasn't been on in a long time now, I'm pretty sure he was the one who broke it down for me.
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th September 2024
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I need a thesaurus to understand some of these recent posts, so I’ll simply say I think City are guilty as xxxx.
Partly because they prevaricated last time but mainly because I refuse to believe that the PL advisors/lawyers have checked the info the PL have got and said the MULTIPLE breach charges are correct if they’re in doubt. The ridiculous attendance figures don’t help… neither does the senior manager of that betting Co sponsor being a Google stock image of “woman”.
I hope they get the biggest punishment possible.
They won’t though.
Partly because they prevaricated last time but mainly because I refuse to believe that the PL advisors/lawyers have checked the info the PL have got and said the MULTIPLE breach charges are correct if they’re in doubt. The ridiculous attendance figures don’t help… neither does the senior manager of that betting Co sponsor being a Google stock image of “woman”.
I hope they get the biggest punishment possible.
They won’t though.
The longer the “investigation” takes, more time UAE has, to bribe its way through.
I only really remember because I used to watch a lot of Italian football, the one thing that always stood out was how sparsely populated the stadiums could look at times, not just Juve but in general across the league.
From memory I think it was the stadium layout and the sight lines with the running track that put people off going. Could be wrong, there was always that argument that Torino were the most popular team of Turin, but they had even lower attendances.
Maybe it was a combination of a shit stadium that was too far out of the way and ticket prices being too high.
Just a harmless coincidence I'm sure.
They need kicked the feck out of the league along with the rest of the "football groups" I.E. Newcastle and Chelsea et al busily trading human beings like live pokemon cards to balance their books for the latest brown envelope sent UEFA/FIFA/The Premier League/The British Govts way. It's just a wrecking ball of corruption ready to completely trash everything to do with the sport once and for all isn't it. How can you continue to take anything to do with the game seriously if they aren't dealt with.
That's a hard read. Usually those things just make me panic about my own mortality, but that was just incredibly sad.
I wonder how closely La Liga are monitoring preceedings, the sudden rise to the top of La Liga of a struggling club like Girona (who are owned by Peps brother) since City Sports Group got involved must be attracting attention from the La Liga higher ups as well as the higher ups at Real and Barca.
It is almost comical how obvious all this stuff is.
Player from City, Brazilian winger loaned from Troyes (owned by same people who own City) and loans from Barca (who maybe underestimated Girona… lol), one of ten clubs owned by City‘s owners.
Nothing to see here, move along.
As of January 2023, City Football Group has significant ownership stakes in the following 11 clubs:
- Manchester City
- NYCFC
- Melbourne City FC
- Yokohama F. Marinos
- Montevideo City Torque
- Girona
- Sichuan Jiuniu
- Mumbai City FC
- Lommel SK
- Troyes
- Palermo
Not that there's any scope for dodgy dealings there or anything...
Very sad
That's very sad.
These keyboard warriors have no idea have they.
Many City fans suffer from a combination of decades of complete and utter irrelevance and a continuation of that while unable to comprehend why when they are winning everything.
Add to this an unconscious acceptance that it's all a lie and you create a very bitter, twisted person.
Do you ever stop to consider that 115 charges take more time than 1 charge to review and make a judgement? And that’s only when the party involved willingly give you their documentation instead of refusing to cooperate.
can other premier league clubs take city to court for causing financial damage if the charges stick?
I reminded here in 2023 of all those city fans that appeared here in the years after 2011 - funny timing - and just relentlessly, endlessly did some of the most absurd mental gymnastics about the extent of their spending and how it just wasnt adding up that this tiny club could reasonably justify the spend in a sporting way. Here we are nearing 2024 and they still hang over the league like a dark cloud, a bad smell that undermines the integrity of the league. This has always been city's plan and will remain so - delay delay delay, and a certain apathy, jadedness or simple lack of the intial context will set in the people who have complained. Normalise them winning and being seen as a 'big club' and the initial absurdity will seem easier to justify. It will no longer seem like Burnley suddenly winning titles and signing world class players and managers.
The city fans didnt care then, and are now a decade deep in their delusion. What was said about City then remains true now but has become cliche- they are a pointless, hollow, corrupt club that are 'Manchester City' in name alone.
The city fans didnt care then, and are now a decade deep in their delusion. What was said about City then remains true now but has become cliche- they are a pointless, hollow, corrupt club that are 'Manchester City' in name alone.
Yeah, they can take legal action against City. The beginning of this article gives a bit of an overview of what that might look like.
Thanks, that sounds logical.
They can invoke arbitration through the PL Grievance Procedure but not sure that can actually go to Law
I am not 100% but believe that when you become a member of the PL you in effect agree to let such matters be resolved through the PL process
Yeah that sounds right. That's why I left it at "legal action". I'm not 100% sure either, but my bet would be that by the terms of PL membership clubs are bound, at least as a matter of first instance, to such arbitration as a means of dispute resolution to prevent a very destructive legal arms race (ironic, I know).
This is quote from former City lawyer.
"To be technical, the PL is separate from the EFL
There is an agreement on promotion and demotion between the PL/Championship, but all the PL can decide on is to relegate MCFC, anything more than that would be up to the EFL."
On the other hand, Delaney said this:
"Figures involved don't seem to think any prospective punishments would be retrospective or 'looking backwards' (ie stripping titles) but this is all described as 'unprecedented'."
As i still struggke with understanding of who is in charge for what in English football, can someone please be kind and explain to me this quote. They can't be demoted in Division one? Or they can? They can't lose titles?
"To be technical, the PL is separate from the EFL
There is an agreement on promotion and demotion between the PL/Championship, but all the PL can decide on is to relegate MCFC, anything more than that would be up to the EFL."
On the other hand, Delaney said this:
"Figures involved don't seem to think any prospective punishments would be retrospective or 'looking backwards' (ie stripping titles) but this is all described as 'unprecedented'."
As i still struggke with understanding of who is in charge for what in English football, can someone please be kind and explain to me this quote. They can't be demoted in Division one? Or they can? They can't lose titles?
The Premier League is its own thing, it doesn't govern the Championship and previous levels of the English pyramid, they're governed independently. It's the PL that will punish city, their punishments are limited to the scope of the PL, however.
They don't have the power to send city to any specific level of the pyramid, they can only expel them from the top part (the PL). I think they can also technically strip them PL titles too.
This is just my take.
There are 92 professional clubs of which 20 are in the Premier League and the remaining 72 in the English Football League.
The PL operates separately to the EFL.
In the event that the PL decided to punish Manchester City (hopefully), they could decide what sanctions to take against them.
But they might not be able to tell the EFL that they had to relegate City into a specific EFL division.
Wait.....what? So, they can expel them only from PL but Championship or Division 1,2 or National league don't have to take them?
Unless PL give them -100 points for example? (Which means only going to Championship).
I think this is the realistic punishment, they will strip their titles but say 'we can't kick them out of the league because it will upset the promotion/relegation battle and be unfair & we can't have a season with 19 teams' so they'll give them a paltry fine and maybe a transfer ban for a year. Then the media will make out how 'unprecedented' the punishment is and how City have paid their dues etc. Then City just laugh and continue as they have done.
So, basically in England you can't be demoted in tier 3 or 4 without all these organisations being on same page.
Well, sorry but that is ridiculous.
Correct, those other competitions can also decide not to take them, it's up to them. They could technically end up at the bottom tier if everyone rejects them, but that's unlikely. I think it's extremely unlikely they get expelled anyway so this is all just hypothetical fantasy land.Wait.....what? So, they can expel them only from PL but Championship or Division 1,2 or National league don't have to take them?
Unless PL give them -100 points for example? (Which means only going to Championship).
. So it pays off to cheat in England.Until few days i was sure that City will get Juve punishment at least. Losing titles, demotion in one tier bellow and starting season with minus point in lower league.
Well, this sucks!
Interesting. So you think if it's an either/or proposition between keeping previous titles and being demoted a few levels versus remaining in the Prem but having the previous titles voided + fine and 1-year transfer ban, the latter option would be preferable?
The pricks can keep their ill-gotten titles, and even if not on paper there will be a great big asterisk next to every single one, and not just the titles of the seasons in question, but of every season after that.
Personally, if the the Prem decided to boot them out the league I could see the EFL wanting to knock them down the ladder a few rungs. If I was running a team in League 1 or 2, I'd be clambering for City to come to our ground and the inevitability of completely filling every seat in the place. Would be a big earner for some smaller clubs who struggle to get full attendances, and would be a spotlight on the lower leagues.
Personally, if the the Prem decided to boot them out the league I could see the EFL wanting to knock them down the ladder a few rungs. If I was running a team in League 1 or 2, I'd be clambering for City to come to our ground and the inevitability of completely filling every seat in the place. Would be a big earner for some smaller clubs who struggle to get full attendances, and would be a spotlight on the lower leagues.
Pep Guardiola: Fans want Man City to be punished like Everton but I’ll stay – even in League One
Why is he so defiant? Total denial.
Zero chance Pep stays if City get booted out the league. His reputation will take a bit of a hit, but he'll find somewhere new to work for sure.
He will stay, he won’t have the same advantages anywhere else. Sporting integrity of the whole league at stake. Anything less than expulsion is a joke.
These clowns who say it's "only" 20m, seem to be forgetting that clubs are already allowed outrageous losses. To lose more on top is obviously something to crack down on, as otherwise where is the line? Oh it's only 1p beyond the 105m you can lose, or 10m, 50m, 100m etc?
People seem to be utterly incapable of understanding this.
One charge v 115.
A totally different charge.
Admissions of guilt on that 1 charge anyway.
Easier to monitor than a lot of City's stuff.
He won't stay if they're relegated - neither will the likes of KDB / Haaland / Bernado etc.
He'll be offered the Barca and PSG jobs, both of which i think he'd take. Either that he takes a year out and does some national team stuff.
Don't forget a few of the high profile city players have a pep clause in their contracts, if pep goes, so do they.
How that will upset promotion/relegation battle? Clubs who earned to go up, will go up. City will take relegation place from 18th team.
Only if you were talking about next season where basically City is nailed for promotion from any league where they end up.
He's not going to admit it's all been utterlyIllegitimate is he?
Because it'd make his achievements there utterly worthless.
Thats exactly why they will double his salary to keep him. Barca are in a financial crisis, he won’t fancy those restrictions. And PSG means nothing with no CL.
He will play the victim and stay for a few years to get them back to the top division, all while collecting his salaries. They are intertwined now.