City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th September 2024

littlepeasoup said:
Zero chance Pep stays if City get booted out the league. His reputation will take a bit of a hit, but he'll find somewhere new to work for sure.
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He’s already stayed at Manchester City much longer that he stayed at any other club, including two of the biggest clubs on the planet and one of them his hometown club and big “love”. He’s clearly been put on a retainer since he went to Bayern (once City began recruiting his old Barça directors) and the money he is on is likely equivalent to what Messi / Ronaldo are receiving currently. So no, I actually don’t think there’s any chance he’s going anywhere if they continue to pay him like that, no matter what league. He’s corrupt as feck, and he and his family/brother etc are now rich beyond their widest dreams.
 
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Andycoleno9 said:
How that will upset promotion/relegation battle? Clubs who earned to go up, will go up. City will take relegation place from 18th team.

Only if you were talking about next season where basically City is nailed for promotion from any league where they end up.
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As per the poster I replied to, I'm not sure the PL can just send down teams outside of the relegation places without the league below agreeing as they are a separate body. You could make a case it would be commercially good for those teams, as everyone would want to see the cheaters playing at Plymouth etc. so you'd get full stadiums but then I think most teams would vote against it as it just means there's one less promotion spot and you'll likely be getting embarrassed home and away.
 
Taribo's Gap said:
Interesting. So you think if it's an either/or proposition between keeping previous titles and being demoted a few levels versus remaining in the Prem but having the previous titles voided + fine and 1-year transfer ban, the latter option would be preferable?
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I think they lose those titles regardless, that's not really that big a deal.
I don't really know what would be severe enough for all the knock on effects they have caused, it's incalculable how much they negatively affected other teams for the last decade or so.
 
Sandikan said:
He's not going to admit it's all been utterlyIllegitimate is he?
Because it'd make his achievements there utterly worthless.
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No, but when this all came out 9 months ago he was playing the “I’m totally in the dark” card. Was saying he’s had assurances. Now he’s assuring everyone.
 
Sandikan said:
People seem to be utterly incapable of understanding this.
One charge v 115.
A totally different charge.
Admissions of guilt on that 1 charge anyway.
Easier to monitor than a lot of City's stuff.
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The FA should of had a rule if you don't co-operate with such investigations the club can be suspended from the league until they do co-operate. How can you delay a decision based on that? The charges were announced last season, they should have been suspended immediately. That would deter clubs from bending the rules.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
As per the poster I replied to, I'm not sure the PL can just send down teams outside of the relegation places without the league below agreeing as they are a separate body. You could make a case it would be commercially good for those teams, as everyone would want to see the cheaters playing at Plymouth etc. so you'd get full stadiums but then I think most teams would vote against it as it just means there's one less promotion spot and you'll likely be getting embarrassed home and away.
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If the Premier League chose to expell them City would then have to apply to join the EFL and if accepted (which isnt guarenteed) would have to start from League 2
 
Offside said:
No, but when this all came out 9 months ago he was playing the “I’m totally in the dark” card. Was saying he’s had assurances. Now he’s assuring everyone.
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He has gone from "If they lied to me i'll leave" to "i'll stay, even in league one".

I think he knows a lot more than he lets on.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
He has gone from "If they lied to me i'll leave" to "i'll stay, even in league one".

I think he knows a lot more than he lets on.
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Why would City leave one of their most valued employees in the dark as to the details of the proceedings? He's sworn to silence but his demeanor suggests either delusional defiance or smug confidence
 
Offside said:
No, but when this all came out 9 months ago he was playing the “I’m totally in the dark” card. Was saying he’s had assurances. Now he’s assuring everyone.
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Yes, he'll stay.

He had no problem walking away from his hometown club and Bayern. But City.... nope..Because in one way or another they have his balls in a vice. He can't walk away clean and he knows it.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
If the Premier League chose to expell them City would then have to apply to join the EFL and if accepted (which isnt guarenteed) would have to start from League 2
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Won't happen because they're owned by a country UK government don't want to upset, too much.

Points deduction and relegation Juventus style pretty certain I think, just a question of how long the process takes.
 
Mb194dc said:
Won't happen because they're owned by a country UK government don't want to upset, too much.

Points deduction and relegation Juventus style pretty certain I think, just a question of how long the process takes.
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Agreed about the government thing. Mental how an insignificant club like city are able to avoid any real scrutiny since the charges were brought. We’ve seen more talk about spurs dodgyness 15 years ago than them. Suspicious.

Disagree about the punishment. Feckers will get away with it.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
No, under EFL rules they have to start in League 2
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But it is all based on the fact if they are expelled. Bit if PL decide to punish them with point deduction (lets say 100) then they are just "legally" relegated and then they (by default) go in Championship.

So, i think that PL will do that. Easy route for them.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
But it is all based on the fact if they are expelled. Bit if PL decide to punish them with point deduction (lets say 100) then they are just "legally" relegated and then they (by default) go in Championship.

So, i think that PL will do that. Easy route for them.
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The punishment isnt decided by the Premier League it will be decided by the independent panel, a 100 point deduction would be silly anyway considering they are facing 115 charges.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
So nothing will change. Last few years we were supporting City to stop Liverpool. Now we will support Arsenal. Happy times ahead. :wenger:
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You can support Arsenal if you want. But that is something I will never do. Hate them.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
The punishment isnt decided by the Premier League it will be decided by the independent panel, a 100 point deduction would be silly anyway considering they are facing 115 charges.
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I’d love a nullification of all player contracts signed from the year they’re found guilty of financial irregularities, relegation and disqualifying the entire board from participating in anything football related forever.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
He’s already stayed at Manchester City much longer that he stayed at any other club two of the biggest clubs on the planet and one of them his hometown club and big love. He’s clearly been put on a retainer since he went to Bayern (once City began recruiting his old Barça directors) and the money he is on is likely equivalent to what Messi / Ronaldo are receiving currently. So no I actually don’t think there’s any chance he’s going anywhere if they continue to pay him like that, no matter what league. He’s corrupt as feck, and he and his family/brother etc are now rich beyond their widest dreams.
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Always thought there was something dodgy about his seemingly self enforced "holiday" from Barcelona and football in general in the wake of that Fuentes / Operacion Puerto thing in 2010 personally.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
He has gone from "If they lied to me i'll leave" to "i'll stay, even in league one".

I think he knows a lot more than he lets on.
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Ahh. You beat me to it. He’s smelling the coffee and it smells like Lamex stadium on a snowy Tuesday night.
 
Josep Dowling said:
The FA should of had a rule if you don't co-operate with such investigations the club can be suspended from the league until they do co-operate. How can you delay a decision based on that? The charges were announced last season, they should have been suspended immediately. That would deter clubs from bending the rules.
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It’s not just lack of cooperation, it’s the fact they’re rejecting the charges, which Everton accepted. If City are found in breach of even a single charge, they PL has to throw the book at them due to the way they’ve conducted themselves throughout the process. It also appears as though they’re scared of City’s law team otherwise they’d be going after them with more purpose than they currently are. It’s within their best interests to come to a conclusion ASAP.
 
adexkola said:
Why would City leave one of their most valued employees in the dark as to the details of the proceedings? He's sworn to silence but his demeanor suggests either delusional defiance or smug confidence
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He's the public face of City, leading press conferences week in week out. Anything other than extreme confidence is to be expected, most other managers would do the same.

Don't think you can read too much into what he's saying in all honesty.
 
adexkola said:
Why would City leave one of their most valued employees in the dark as to the details of the proceedings? He's sworn to silence but his demeanor suggests either delusional defiance or smug confidence
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Because if you don’t know you’re not culpable. He can say ‘I didn’t know, they told me everything was fine’. That way his legacy kind of stays in tact and he walks away to another job, probably at PSG to do it all again.
 
crossy1686 said:
It’s not just lack of cooperation, it’s the fact they’re rejecting the charges, which Everton accepted. If City are found in breach of even a single charge, they PL has to throw the book at them due to the way they’ve conducted themselves throughout the process. It also appears as though they’re scared of City’s law team otherwise they’d be going after them with more purpose than they currently are. It’s within their best interests to come to a conclusion ASAP.
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Its taking so long for anything to happen due to the fact City have actively disrupted the preceedings by going to court to dispute the legallity of the investigation and the suitability of the person who was appointed to chair the Independent Panel
 
RedRocket9908 said:
Its taking so long for anything to happen due to the fact City have actively disrupted the preceedings by going to court to dispute the legallity of the investigation and the suitability of the person who was appointed to chair the Independent Panel
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All the lawyers involved are KC barristers with other workloads too. Likely in Court regularly dealing with other complex cases.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
Its taking so long for anything to happen due to the fact City have actively disrupted the preceedings by going to court to dispute the legallity of the investigation and the suitability of the person who was appointed to chair the Independent Panel
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This is not near as much the reason as people like to say it is. For a start, Everton had one charge and it needed 25,000 pieces of documentation to be reviewed and acted upon. We know 30 of Cities charges are for non-cooperation so that means 80-85 are finance-related, the reason it was stated it would take years was this even before City went to court. There are hundreds of thousands of documents involved.

It took the Premier League 4 years to put it all together and from the start everyone was told to expect 3-4 years again with a 26 or 27 resolution before City ever hit back.
 
padr81 said:
This is not near as much the reason as people like to say it is. For a start, Everton had one charge and it needed 25,000 pieces of documentation to be reviewed and acted upon. We know 30 of Cities charges are for non-cooperation so that means 80-85 are finance-related, the reason it was stated it would take years was this even before City went to court. There are hundreds of thousands of documents involved.

It took the Premier League 4 years to put it all together and from the start everyone was told to expect 3-4 years again with a 26 or 27 resolution before City ever hit back.
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City are accused of 50 breaches of providing inaccurate financial information, eight breaches in relation to manager remuneration from 2009 to 2013, 12 breaches in relation to player remuneration from 2010 to 2015, five breaches linked to UEFA financial regulations, 25 profitability and sustainability breaches and 30 charges related to failure to assist the Premier League investigation, which dates back to March 2019.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
City are accused of 50 breaches of providing inaccurate financial information, eight breaches in relation to manager remuneration from 2009 to 2013, 12 breaches in relation to player remuneration from 2010 to 2015, five breaches linked to UEFA financial regulations, 25 profitability and sustainability breaches and 30 charges related to failure to assist the Premier League investigation, which dates back to March 2019.
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I love this list :drool:
 
Just read that quote, that he'd stay on even if they were relegated to League One. I would have thought they'd do everything not to even give credence to that kind of hypothetical, but he's put a marker in the public's imagination there.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
City are accused of 50 breaches of providing inaccurate financial information, eight breaches in relation to manager remuneration from 2009 to 2013, 12 breaches in relation to player remuneration from 2010 to 2015, five breaches linked to UEFA financial regulations, 25 profitability and sustainability breaches and 30 charges related to failure to assist the Premier League investigation, which dates back to March 2019.
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Isn't that what I said? 30 failure to comply and everything else financial. Therefor a lot of time to go through it all and a lot of documents or am I missing something here?
Quotes not quite the comeback you intended it to be...
 
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