True, I don't know enough about EFL constitution.
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th September 2024
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I don't disagree that they're clearly corrupt as feck, but I have little faith in anything serious being done about it.
The 3 worst things in sports at the moment:
1.Manchester City
2. Chelsea
3. Alexander "Putinist" Ovechkin captaining the Washington Capitals.
Just nuke the first 2 parts from the earth or have them start over at the lowest division and have them work they way up again from scratch. In 10 years they would be allowed to join the premier league again. And of course strip of all domestic titles, erase them from the history books, delete all highlights from their titles from websites etc, when its done it should be like they did not exist on english football during the time period.
This would be great for Chelsea and City supporters as well as in 10 years they would be enabled to feel really proud if their team won again, instead of just racking up meaningless titles from cheating year after year!
1.Manchester City
2. Chelsea
3. Alexander "Putinist" Ovechkin captaining the Washington Capitals.
Just nuke the first 2 parts from the earth or have them start over at the lowest division and have them work they way up again from scratch. In 10 years they would be allowed to join the premier league again. And of course strip of all domestic titles, erase them from the history books, delete all highlights from their titles from websites etc, when its done it should be like they did not exist on english football during the time period.
This would be great for Chelsea and City supporters as well as in 10 years they would be enabled to feel really proud if their team won again, instead of just racking up meaningless titles from cheating year after year!
As much as I would love it to happen, I don't think they will be expelled. That only happens during extreme cases, such as match fixing.
City will be fined, heavily, and a strong points deduction, like 30 points. They'd still probably win the league
City will be fined, heavily, and a strong points deduction, like 30 points. They'd still probably win the league
As a former Caps season ticket holder, #3 is just ridiculous (considering you left of LIV golf and all the other Saudi sportswashing events).
Do I wish Ovi was more aware of Putin and his atrocities when he was younger? Yes. But he hasn't done anything lately that leads me to believe he still supports what Putin is doing.
Do you mean like the #SaveChildrenFromFascism campaign to justify the illegal invasion of chrimea? Ovechkin was like 30 years old by then with a grey beard already.
I think he was old enough to not do that if he did not support Putin. The war started in 2014, not recently. And he also created "Team Putin" like 5 years later.
And the reason I put Ovechkin on the list is because he is enabled by the NHL and Washington. The LIV tour is handling their own business. People have been suspended for liking a tweet, and yet Ovechkin is allowed to captain a team while having
a a crazy dictator as his instagram profile pic, there no excuse for that.
Chelsea, City and Ovechkin are being protected by by the premier league and the NHL.
In scandinavia Ovechkin is cancelled, his legacy is dead. He would not even be allowed to play hockey here, much less being the face of a franchise. '
The only reason he is tolerated in the USA is that business and money goes before morals!
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Nah. Everton are an easy target. City have unlimited number of brown envelopes to hand over.
No body is going to touch citeh. They have unlimited fund of oil money. Any investigation team will probably be paid in millions.
They'll end up selling to some mysterious business man who pops up put of nowhere who just happens to have the same resources, outlook and perspectives as the current lot.
My understanding of why nothing will happen to City (from someone who works at the PL) is that City will keep this locked in litigation due to their team of lawyers and hope for a submission victory
Amongst all the "fa will do nothing" posts, there's one question.
Why on earth did the FA bother bringing these highly public charges if they had no intention of following them through?
People can't seem to understand that if 1 charge for Everton has taken well over a year to sort out (there have been rumblings of this for ages) why on earth would 115 charges get wrapped up quickly?
Why on earth did the FA bother bringing these highly public charges if they had no intention of following them through?
People can't seem to understand that if 1 charge for Everton has taken well over a year to sort out (there have been rumblings of this for ages) why on earth would 115 charges get wrapped up quickly?
Works at the PL? If it's the teaboy I'd not be worried. If it's the guy who is behind the charges, more so.
That article makes Ovi look like more of an unwitting puppet than anything else. He clearly states that he wants peace and wants Ukrainian people to have a good life. I just don't think he is smart enough to understand how he is being used.
Good example of capital justice. There is to much money involved for City and Chelsea to get the sentencing they deserve. Pretty sure all the City and Chelsea deniers would condemn the lack of sentencing of the Sackler-family for their role in the Oxycontin-crisis turning a blind eye at the corruption from their respective clubs. But it's just football eh.
One theory is to ward off the threat of an independent football regulator. The PL being seen as "doing something" would obviate the need for an independent football regulatory body.
You know things are bad when Barcelona fans are dishing out moralistic comments.
Isn't that just normal course?
My City fan mate reckons City will just get hit with a huge fine. Thinking about it the PL would love that.
If it's in the region of £20trillion, it might be acceptable.
I did before the PL have assessed a realistic prospect of proving the allegations, 115 of them.
Doing nothing was the easiest thing and least reputational damage as there was no media pressure to investigate them. The PL are now both legs in. The highest reputational damage would be making these allegations against one of their own members and being incapable of proving it. The best outcome for the PL now is proving the charges and severe punishment.
I don't see them having gone this nuclear without the absolute confidence of proving it to the required standard.
I’m already licking my fingers thinking who we’ll take from City and Chelsea. I’m thinking: Pep, Ederson, Diaz, Colwell, Enzo, Haaland, KDB, Foden,… Mudryk just for laughs. Oh yeah, Jim coming in, them two going down, it’s all coming together, back to the top where we belong.
I honestly wouldnt want Pep anywhere near our club no matter how good he is.
I'm confident that if the League fails to apply a fair and consistent punishment now they've set a precedent, the 19 other member clubs will simply boycott or vote City out.
We already know at least 9 clubs have voted against City in the past. While below the 14 required, it did include the biggest clubs in the League and if they were to start a boycott, the league ceases to exist.
Evertons statement about monitoring other ongoing cases suggests they would look to garner support in the event City get away with it.
It won't come to this though because the league knows the above.
We already know at least 9 clubs have voted against City in the past. While below the 14 required, it did include the biggest clubs in the League and if they were to start a boycott, the league ceases to exist.
Evertons statement about monitoring other ongoing cases suggests they would look to garner support in the event City get away with it.
It won't come to this though because the league knows the above.
I don't get why penalties have been swiftly handed out to the likes of Juventus, Barcelona, Wigan, Sheff Wed, Reading etc. and now Everton but nothing doing for Man City, probably the biggest piss-takers of the lot.
That's partly your answer. More charges, more complexity, more resources being directed to stymie progress.
Go and stick your head in the sand like the rest who believe there not bent..and who's where?? Ffs
And Chelsea & Man United, we both got our FFP fines pretty quickly.
another one bites the dustAlong with the expansive legal obstruction City's lawyers are no doubt putting up to their charges, I feel there will be even graver issues at hand that prevent City from being penalized.
One would be the extent of corruption. It is not unreasonable to imagine that regulatory bodies and hundreds or even thousands of important personnel all the way up to the top are complicit in either committing or covering up financial crimes indirectly or directly. It's a sport washing exercise by an entire oil state - discovering the magnitude of involvement will be anything but simple.
The second would be holding such a massive scale of operation accountable. How do you unravel each and every charge and and mete out proportional punishments to all entities involved? How many relevant regulatory bodies can you reasonably involve? How much resistance can a limited team overcome on their own when multiple branches of complicit government and private agencies find it in their self interest to oppose you? What scale of manpower is needed to tackle a nation's attempt at strong arming a sport and another's complicitity in letting it happen? It may take decades to get through just five or six charges, how long will 115 take?
I don't think City are ever going to face any punishment for their charges, not conventionally.
One would be the extent of corruption. It is not unreasonable to imagine that regulatory bodies and hundreds or even thousands of important personnel all the way up to the top are complicit in either committing or covering up financial crimes indirectly or directly. It's a sport washing exercise by an entire oil state - discovering the magnitude of involvement will be anything but simple.
The second would be holding such a massive scale of operation accountable. How do you unravel each and every charge and and mete out proportional punishments to all entities involved? How many relevant regulatory bodies can you reasonably involve? How much resistance can a limited team overcome on their own when multiple branches of complicit government and private agencies find it in their self interest to oppose you? What scale of manpower is needed to tackle a nation's attempt at strong arming a sport and another's complicitity in letting it happen? It may take decades to get through just five or six charges, how long will 115 take?
I don't think City are ever going to face any punishment for their charges, not conventionally.
Same. Way too much dirt associated with him.
There's no truly fair way to undo cheating on City's scale really. Relegate them as far down the pyramid as you like, they'll be back.
Having said that, stripping titles and relegation out of the PL would be a start. Hopefully the FL refuse to take them at championship level and they have to start from the bottom.
A guy can dream ey.
Having said that, stripping titles and relegation out of the PL would be a start. Hopefully the FL refuse to take them at championship level and they have to start from the bottom.
A guy can dream ey.
So Everton get 10 point deduction for 1 breach and City have over 113 ? I think the league have purposefully been strict with this, once they finalise the investigations City are going to get the hammer swung towards them. They probably did it on purpose to forewarn City and potentially Chelsea.
The only thing that will get City some leeway is if there's a drawn out judicial process.
The only thing that will get City some leeway is if there's a drawn out judicial process.
Lifetime ban from the sport for owner and executives. Thats the real punishment.
A team with an 80k seater stadium who gets tens of thousands of supporters in lower leagues kind of belongs in the premier league. And i'm totally fine with them being back under different ownership.
Ha! he got you good!
Yeah, I was mainly thinking of the material punishments like deductions, sanctions etc. If Juventus can be knocked down a league, Man City should not be thinking they're above that level of sanction either.
I also find it odd that not once has Sky made any comparison or reference even to City's 115 charges?
That would be a good addition for sure. How they avoid the same people controlling city through 3rd parties I'm not sure, but it'd be a good move regardless.
Much closer to the latter
Media are all the same. I listen to a lot of podcasts and have noticed how shite scared they all are to address the topic.
This. I don't know why folk refuse to believe anything will be allowed to happen to City. They have got Thier fangs in the corrupt Tory government too. It just won't happen.