This is my view too unfortunately. The lawyers they're paying millions to will find a whole bunch of technicalities or loophole to squirm their way out of any real punishment. Or failing that find the right people in the right places to offer a few brown envelopes. I hope I am wrong but at worst they'll get a huge fine/small points deduction.
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th September 2024
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Some people (Not just on RedCafe) are saying that nothing or not much will happen to them.
The same talk was about Juventus & Rangers and both of them are much bigger/important for their leagues.
They can't get away for this breaches for nothing or not much because otherwise all clubs can then do the same.
The same talk was about Juventus & Rangers and both of them are much bigger/important for their leagues.
They can't get away for this breaches for nothing or not much because otherwise all clubs can then do the same.
City has been blatantly doing this for more than a decade on an unprecedented scale. Yeah right, we should go for Everton first.
Not sure what the specifics are in Chelsea's case. But going off of this... Stripping titles and relegation is a definite possibility IMO. You can't really do a points deduction, especially not for the past years. But they should be stripped of the years they won unfairly. And the relegation, let's see how far down they'd get relegated.
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I saved you all several hours of calculus and did the maths...
115 x 10 points = 1,115 points, that's a series of relegations. They. Are. Not one bit fecking worried because they'll never get this level of punishment.
115 x 10 points = 1,115 points, that's a series of relegations. They. Are. Not one bit fecking worried because they'll never get this level of punishment.
How are Bluemoon taking it?
A numbee of the charges are about them refusing to cooperate.
You'd imagine that's way less serious punishment wise than being way over the money level like Everton.
However, they've certainly done what Everton have done x many, many a level.
A relegation would be the hardest ever punishment, but they would simple drill back up the league, so it wouldn't do a huge deal.
Being completely on the fence on the matter, deleting the club seems fair to me?
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Is it that hard to understand the difference between one, straightforward charge on which a club is cooperating and readily making admissions, claiming extenuating circumstances versus multiple, complicated charges with more difficult evidentiary burdens against a club that is actively resisting and denying? Would you rather the league just come forward with a half-baked case that will be easily eviscerated by City's lawyers to satisfy your bloodlust?
Now then
Nothing less will be acceptable. I would have added erasing their history but thankfully they've got none.
I can see them being relegated which would appear significant but it's not even remotely sufficient a punishment. They'll break every record on their way back up within a season while having effectively wiped their record clean
so just like a premier league season, then.
To which division though?
Of their own
I can't see the PL allowing the owners to continue after trying so hard to cover up their cheating.
Well yeah, at the small price of 115(?) charges
No you didn't
They can only moan about it. When City escape, it will be on some technicality, real or made up.
It should be the same punishment as Rangers (I know that’s the Scottish League) got. Both down the leagues, maybe even the National League, stripped of all titles during that time as well.
Done the sensible thing and stuck a few quid on City being relegated.
The Tory government has already admitted to intervening on this and talking to the UAE government about it. There's no way they are risking relations with the UAE over football.
Wait, what have Chelsea done again ?
I'm soo out of the loop of football nowadays.
I'm soo out of the loop of football nowadays.
this could get real interesting as the prem has just now set the precedent and City are well beyond what everton did...
I mean of all other clubs in the league do some kind of boycott against them, refusing to play them or something and basically whole league stops, FA would have to act, even UK government can do feck all in that case.
Anyone thinking Everton getting in FFP trouble increases the likelihood of City getting found guilty has a big surprise coming 
The reason they dont cooperate is because if they do give PL access to thier financial data, it would all be easy to prove that they faked it.
I don't think that it should be less of a punishment. Remember when Rio missed a drug test and was handed out a ban and people were saying it was worse than failing a test. This is similar to that.
I do expect city to get punished but anyone hoping along the lines of relegation, title removal are going to be disappointed.
It will probably be a 30 point deduction this season, which PL will claim is the highest ever punishment for any team and that they are setting a very high precedent for other clubs and move on. City wouldn't care and spin that they were absolved like with uefa and a 30 point drop likely would get them 5-7th place. It's not that bad for them considering they will be backup next year.
Maybe the FA will relegate the UAE and suspend the Tories? Will most likely be Labour's fault somehow.
Five game ban for Corbyn.
The UAE and Citys biggest lemmiwinker is the Mayor of Manchester himself
I think it's a given they'll get expelled by the Premier League. I imagine if they attach a fixed term to that, so expulsion and no return within 5 years, the Football League will be compelled to only offer them a return to a division which is that the same amount of promotions away as the time bar from the Premier League. That's inevitable as otherwise you could have City win the Championship for 5 years in a row but unable to be promoted which will cause carnage. So with that logic applied:To which division though?
Expulsion = Championship
+2 Year Ban from PL = League One
+3 Year Ban from PL = League Two
+4 Year Ban from PL = Vanarama National League
+5 Year Ban from PL = Vanarama National League North
That's assuming the FL / VNL accept them. FL may want to take a stand with FFP also involved in them. I imagine VNL will welcome them with open arms.
I don't see their titles getting stripped as that will cause carnage as you then infer the team 2nd should have won the league, 5th should have qualified for Champions League. It will open City up to a long line of legal claims for damages and vicariously the PL also for not having adequate control measures for FFP.
It's inevitable this is going away - lawyers will wrap the FA in knots on every single issue until it collapses.
Unfortunately, I don't think it's a given that they get expelled at all.
Also, there's precedent in other countries for simply not having a champion in certain seasons after titles were stripped.
It's obviously shit for teams that could have finished a place higher, but there's little you can do about that outside of some sort of compensation.
Expulsion from the EPL is different to relegation from the Premier League, if City were expelled from the Premier League they wouldnt just drop down a tier they would have apply to join the EFL and if accepted (although thats unlikely) EFL rules state that they would need to start in League 2.
I don’t think there is a time limit on epl. Which is why it’s taking such a long time.
The fifa/cas one did have a time limit.
explains in here somewhere how the epl don’t have such problems with time
but could also be wrong? Who knows anymore!!
Yeah you're right but equally EFL could chuck them in the Championship too which would make it effectively a relegation. I guess one team in Championship/League 1 would be disadvantaged but equally a team in League 2/VNL would be disadvantaged by City jumping in there.
I guess Championship could promote four teams?
I don't see any other punishment which would reflect the gravity of the corruption by City. This is immeasurably a bigger cheating scandal than the likes of Lance Armstrong.
I think the decision as whether they would be accepted in to the EFL would be decided via a EFL member vote rather that the EFL themselves, would the EFL members be willing to allow them in and effect their own chances of success.