Would be hard to do that without government involvement. Even if they relegated City to the conference I reckon Abu Dhabi have invested too much at this stage to sell up.
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th September 2024
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Would be hard to do that without government involvement. Even if they relegated City to the conference I reckon Abu Dhabi have invested too much at this stage to sell up.
I think myself and you are of the same mind here. I agree the PL is probably very much trying to make this air tight in order to not allow City to wriggle out. For me, the 115 charges smacked of throwing as much as possible at City to stretch their legal team. I suspect that not all of them will be punishable, but the idea is to throw so much at City that they need to wade through the smaller charges, which hampers their ability to focus on the big stuff. However, this has consequently caused the situation to drag out.
The real killer in my opinion for City in this situation, which I have mentioned elsewhere, is the lack of ability to go to CAS and the PL's voting structure. I just cannot see how they're going to buy enough influence unless this whole process is just an extortion racket by the other PL clubs.
Yeah when they receive those 2 salaries at the end of the month, they must be wondering where it's coming from!Excatly.
Im sure the players were not aware about dodgy sponsors or creative accounting, it has been footballs worst kept secret.
Ah yeah how can a player and his agent understand that a "official salary" and a "Unofficial salary" means dodgy business poor people! They are clearly victims in all of this!
City are accused of cooking the books and fake sponsorships. That covers their FFP overspends.
Yes you can
If you can prove that the City-players are using steroids then you have a good comparison - if not, this is possibly the strangest I have ever seen.
If they are going in this hard on Everton for one charge, I can only imagine what sort of punishment City might receive once all their charges are investigated. What are we thinking? Having to start at the bottom of the English Pyramid? Or less severe?
They’ll buy and bribe their way out of it and it’ll be a nothing punishment.
They’ll probably lose a season out of it. Nothing more.
If they're consistent in scaling City's charges in line with Everton's then yes, they'd be docked enough points to drop a few tiers in the pyramid.
Though in the real world, the FA likely considers Football too big a pull to the English game, so will be hesitant to inflict anything beyond a symbolic and palatable transfer ban or large fine.
Unfortunately I have no faith in them doing anything to City. At the very worst they'll get an inconsequential fine and docked just enough points to stop them winning the league for one season, while still giving them a decent chance at CL qualification.
I have no doubts the Glazers would accept a number from UAE if offered/negotiated, they could care less about competition and rules.
Is it? Cheating is cheating. There are of course different methods of cheating but at the end of the day both Lance Armstrong and Manchester City achieved great success by means of cheating.
The pl can't decide where city go. They can only at worst expel them.
If the pl expel them then it comes down to the football league to decide if they'll accept city. If they do then they decide, if the fl refuse them entry it goes to the next tier and the next at their own discretion.
Pretty much, cheating is cheating, whether it's financial doping, drug doping or paying off referees.
I enjoy rival clubs play, I liked watching Arsenal back in the day under Wenger, because they were a good side to watch. I even like watching Liverpool play under Klopp at times.
But no matter how good the City football is it's all from cheating and it all feels so dead and soulless. Like Armstrong and any other cheats, there's always that nagging feeling that something is off and it ruins the enjoyment.
100%
It happened to Rangers, dumped to the bottom division. And Rangers were far more important to the Scottish league than City are to ours.
Rangers don’t have the financial or political clout to bribe and pay their way out of it - City do, and will.
It's financial doping.
How do you explain Man City having the highest revenue in football? Bigger than Real Madrid?
Were Rangers not in the financial shitter when they were punished? It's not comparable because City are sat on a mountain of money.
The Premier League have no power outside of the Premier League. The Football League is a completely different competition and body. The PL can expel them but outside of that have no say in where City are placed in the football pyramid. The only possible way they have a say is a points deduction but that means Championship at worst. The PL can't dictate to the FL for example "Put City in league 2 or league 1" it's not their competition so nothing to do with them once City are out of the PL.
Inflating the team/player to win unfairly. I kind of get where he/she is going.
After watching the Newcastle-Arsenal match today, I'm 100% sure City will not be punished. The EPL is fully owned by the Middle East countries. The former colonizer has been fully colonized now.
I’ve never been one for conspiracy theories but even I raised my eyebrow when I found out PL refs go over and do the Saudi league games etc. Seems completely wrong with the Middle East connections in the PL.
Newcastles owners are literally paying PL refs it’s very odd.
But Newcastle and City aren't state owned so it's grand
Nothing to see here folks. It's all copacetic.
116 charges. Additional one, offering gig to referees.
Looks they'll win 4 on the bounce without any repercussions for their cheating.
Yes but if the expulsion is time limited to say 5 years, the Football League will have a dilemma. If they put them in the Championship, they won't be able to promote their top team for 5 years. I still reckon it'll be permanent expulsion.
If not, the divisions dropped should reflect the years. 5 years = 5 league drops.
City have led the biggest sporting corruption and cheating regime we've ever seen in modern sports in terms of scale of the impact (winning a CL thereby denying a legitimate club a CL); duration (15 years of cheating); and, the amounts of cash involved (their total investment on and off books must easily exceed £5-7bn).
Given that Lance Armstrong was the biggest cheating regime in sports before City, there's definitely a comparison to be made.
Permanent expulsion from PL. Titles stripped. Rule changes to prevent this level of corruption ever happening again. Anything less is a farce.
City won the lotto and still fecked it up by choosing to break the rules. They still would of gotten to where they wanted without systematic breaking of the rules but their impatience has put a blot on anything they achieved, as it was through the process of cheating. It's absurd that they still benefit from this and no action has been taken, it compromises the integrity of the game.
Find it funny that a club with all those charges and got out of a UEFA charge will win the best club award 2 years running. Nothing will happen to their titles and achievements on the field.
This is almost a flat-earth level conspiracy level post. Have you read the charges from UEFA? The whole thing related to 2 £15 M payments and not billions as you seem to be suggesting. I am a City fan, and I do believe that if we have broken any accounting rules then we should be punished, but to suggest that all of our success is related to a few small payments (relative to our other spending, and other clubs spending) isn't correct or fair I think. We've managed to cultivate a great team spirit throughout the organisation and have managed the football side of things very well. Those decisions are why we have been successful.
I am not saying that money hasn't helped, just that these accounting charges are not the reason for the success. It all amounts to a couple of player transfers worth of money that is at dispute so far. The Premier League charges might be more, but we haven't seen any evidence to suggest that that I am aware of.
Hopefully it will come out that we are innocent in the end - the CAS ruling gives me confidence on that front - as the judges did mention that they thought we handled everything above-board in their ruling, but if not we should take the punishment on the chin. I just don't see it being some end-of-days punishment as some seem to be suggesting, nor do I think we are Lance Armstrong level cheats. I now expect to get a load of crap coming here as a City fan, and fair enough.
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city's current position is based on a series of investments, otherwise known in conspiratorial circles as The Initial Investment, made between their inception in 2008 until 2018.
It's this funding which is dubious and has been hidden from the authorities.
I wouldn't worry. Reckon city will get off the hook, whether it be bribery, FA embarrassment or threats via Boris Johnson's powerful House of Lords lawyer. Possibly all three.
None of your sponsorship or any of the money spent is legit.
I don't doubt you'll obfuscate, delay and spend your way out of this latest legal battle and then proclaim your innocence. Pull the other one
I'd probably be saying what you are if I were a City fan too so can't criticise too much but every football fan knows City have inflated/faked sponsorships, paid dual salaries (probably more so during your formative years 2008-2013), claimed higher commercial activity, etc.
City refused to engage with the UEFA and PL investigations. That is not the behaviour of an innocent club. It is your right to make the prosecuting authority be put to proof (he who asserts must prove, etc.) but any reasonable club would fully engage to avoid the reputational damage of this dragging out for years to come and allaying the regulators concerns. City can't do that as they'll be handing them the smoking gun they need. Hence, we are in this standoff position.
Man City claim to have the biggest revenue in football. Bigger than United and Madrid!
Premier League clubs dominate richest in the world - Deloitte Money League study - BBC Sport
How do you explain that?
There is a zero per cent chance that you are innocent, zero!!
You will most likely get away with it though because the government won't allow a serious punishment.
Do you need an explanation? You know the answer.
I was asking a Man City fan as I'm genuinely intrigued to what they think has happened.