If you ignore all his doping he was great
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with 130 FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th Sep 2024 | Concluded 9th Dec 2024 - Awaiting outcome
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He was actually great anyway. Just the drugs elevated him to best ever status.
City were never great before their "alleged" doping.
But he isn't and he knows it, whether you like it or not, City don't need to prove anything, it's up to the authorities to prove the allegations, just like they have to do in a court of lawYou know it’s a sad state of affairs when Richard fecking Keys is speaking sense.
It is up to City to cooperate and stop obstructing the justice…
Actually they don't
If you had the choice of just swerving allegations or having to bother to fight them, chances are you'd take the former option for as long as possible.
It's all on the accuser to prove everything.
It's all on the accuser to prove everything.
If only the evidence of external payments has been leaked years ago.
They need to be stripped of titles, particularly this title. They don’t deserve to have a treble in their history books for cheating. It belittles the competitions their in completely.
Even sweeter if their inevitable CL win could be stripped.
The sooner you cooperate and have the case actually settled, the sooner you can prove your innocence if you’re innocent... When you keep playing the Al Capone playbook, chances are people will tend to believe you’re good at getting away with it, not that you’re innocent…
That's not the way it works. Those making the charges must prove them. City is under no obligation to cooperate but it certainly makes them look bad.
Yeah everything that gets leaked is aways 100% reliable or genuine, don't get me wrong, I think they're guilty, but proving it is what matters
They won't be using Al Capone's playbook, he ended up in jail!
they've made a mockery of the game tbh. clear cheating. the league needs to punish them heavily to set things straight.
they could have easily kept within the rules and improved gradually over time but couldn't resist quick success.
they could have easily kept within the rules and improved gradually over time but couldn't resist quick success.
He was responsible for anywhere between 12 and 33 murders. He never got convicted for any of them… He spent 7 years in jail for tax fraud. That’s less than 3% of the potential sentences for his known crimes… City will probably end up with even less than 3% of the punishment they deserve…
And to what depths do you think City with their "creative accountant" would've sunk to if United were successful on the pitch and winning successive PL titles?
Say if United had won 5 out of the last 6 PL titles like City, they would've had it in overdrive to usurp us, their owners want to be associated with success and they've never been bothered as to the price they had to pay to get that.
Which is why the charges need to be proven, what you know is irrelevant, it's what you can prove that matters
As I mentioned in the post you are replying to, Manchester City's transfer fees and wages for this season are not contained within the 115 FFP charges, given those charges relate to the period between 2009-2018.
As I mentioned in the post you are replying to, the migrant kafala system in Qatar was abolished in 2016, so "nothing has changed" is factually incorrect.
Manchester City didn't agree to the FFP rules, they voted against them. Why should they accept being bullied out of the Premier League through mob rule?
Regarding the vastness of the inward investment itself, if such investment was properly controlled through a genuinely fair means of Financial "Fair" Play - for example a hard annual transfer fee/wage cap for all clubs - then why shouldn't they be allowed to own football clubs? As I detailed in the post you are replying to, such investment has done wonders for the growth of the league and wider English football over recent decades.
Regarding the human rights issue, I also previously detailed my thoughts in the post you're replying to, but my question to your assertion that we should just flatly ban the likes of UAE from investing in our country is-
And then what? How will that help to improve the human rights situation there?
I would doubt that we do most of the time, which is why you get worthless echo chambers like this thread.how do these posters even get promoted?
While both City and Capone both provide financial incentives for people to conveniently forget what they know, City are slightly less likely to employ more permanent measures against those still determined to talk.
Only slightly though, wouldn't be out of the realms of possibility given who their owners are.
@Tender Teacher
So you think that if you don't agree with a rule or law, you shouldn't have to abide by it?
Any chance you could let us know which school you teach at so we can avoid sending our kids there? Thanks Sir/Miss.
So you think that if you don't agree with a rule or law, you shouldn't have to abide by it?
Any chance you could let us know which school you teach at so we can avoid sending our kids there? Thanks Sir/Miss.
We had a tender teacher at our school, but one morning he didn't show up and the principal came in to tell us about the importance of reporting any grown-up stuff that we see or experience to our parents.
I'm not sure this is a good thing for city. How many more charges should we be expecting?
Describing a democratic vote as mob rule sounds like something one would say if they were used to buying their own way.
Like I said, I don't think any country should own a football club in this country. I don't want a X vs Y country proxy battle. It's ridiculous. Just look at the tug of war over Messi to see how pathetic it can all become.
The rules are the rules, they are always open for discussion and improvement, but are not to be ignored because they don't suit.
City are still totally dwarfed by United when it comes to TV pull. It's not even close. I think you are hugely over-playing the impact city have had.
As for them helping UEFA coefficients... Ha! They've taken a decade of cheating to be on the verge of possibly winning it once! That's just embarrassing.
Anyway, enjoy your trophies.
This is the thing. With all their advantages they would have still been very successful and won leagues and cup had they not gone overboard.
This is the issue with their owner and his board. They come from a place where they make the rules and they don't really have to answer to anyone. Corruption is just part and parcel of their world so it's hardly a surprise they did this.
People who want Qatar at this club....don't be shocked if we are dragged into the odd scandal too if they win the auction. They did afterall bribe their way to host a world cup. Nothing about that bid was fair and legitimate.
City released a statement saying they're looking forward to clearing their name so why would they delay things and not just show the evidence that proves their innocence
One for each fan at the ground?
Initially, I thought they would get pinned down on something. However, as time goes on, I am starting to suspect they'll get, at most, a slap on the wrist.
Agreed. They'll stretch it out, pay a fine and get off on a technicality in court. Everyone else will know they were hiding something but they'll avoid punishment, same as the UEFA ban.
They paid the UEFA fine and now people talk like they got found not guilty and got away with it, will be the same with the premier league if it's only a fine. Unfortunately the fans and media are already coming out with bullshit like it's not about the money they just have a great manager and team, forgetting the fact if they followed the same ffp rules as everyone else they wouldn't have the squad they've been able to build by cheating
This thread is kinda pathetic tbh. why are we complainin? We’ve spent way more money than City the past 7 years. Fact is they have a better infrastructure than we do.
sanctioning city will not magically make our club be managed better.
sanctioning city will not magically make our club be managed better.
The latter is correct but for the former the allegations are that City have not been reporting the real money they have actually spent
You need to do a lot more reading up on this.
And i think thats a can of worms as a lot of clubs have done shady dealings to get players. (See Neymar to Barcelona, Bebe to United
…etc, companies in South America buying into players and selling them to clubs )Not too late to delete all that.
Because they've been cheating for years, their infrastructure might be better but it helps when you make up fake income allowing you to spend more than ffp allows, if they're not following the same rules as everyone else then they've got an unfair advantage
Ok. Lets say they fake their income. United has spent more than them in the past 6-7 years.
spending wise we have the advantage. You know where they have the true advantage? The football people making the decisions.
Moan Moan Moan. FFP breaches doesnt even matter, in fact the whole FFP system might even be illegal. They havent broken any rules by law or nor are they under any allegations for fraud or tax fraud from any government.
Do we want them to be ? Yes sure, feck them. But this is just getting silly.
We've spent just as much as them, but we end up with Sancho, De Beek or Maguire instead
Officially, maybe. Once you add up all the hidden extras it's probably not even close. What a massive surprise it will be when in 5/10 years some ex-City players tour the middle-east to rack-up some totally legit money.
Your whole post is written like a true Man City fan apologist.
So basically, the FFP rules are the problem and not the fact City have breached them. Good work pal.
It’s actually bizarre how so many in this thread think the accusations of City cheating is because they’ve “spent money” and they haven’t done anything different to what we’ve done.