GazTheLegend
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He's a full on dickhead and ABU, it's pretty obvious. And he took 1.6 million from Qatar, he's not averse to a bit of oil money himself.Lineker is a Pep/City fanboy.
He's a full on dickhead and ABU, it's pretty obvious. And he took 1.6 million from Qatar, he's not averse to a bit of oil money himself.Lineker is a Pep/City fanboy.
He took £1.6m even though he had that massive rant about them. Plus he’s forever chilling in Dubai in their 5* hotels built by migrants.He's a full on dickhead and ABU, it's pretty obvious. And he took 1.6 million from Qatar, he's not averse to a bit of oil money himself.
He is a Coventry fan
Yeah. I can't find the sum exactly but Gary Neville got paid off as well. Every one of these cnuts is for sale and we'd do well to remember that. Beckham took £10m from Qatar too. There is no doubt in my mind that the Emirati State has paid these chaps handsomely in the past, and if not then then others - there's simply just not -enough- mainstream outrage about what they've done and been doing. Even the missed doping tests got completely glossed over which given Guardiolas hilariously murky past with it is... Surprising. The journalists... "Journalists", wow.. .Their principles all have a price tag and I guess they can't go after Man City to the degree they should for the bribery and -cheating- because they must feel they're biting the hand that feeds them. I get it, but we shouldn't be preached to by the same pigs in the trough.He took £1.6m even though he had that massive rant about them. Plus he’s forever chilling in Dubai in their 5* hotels built by migrants.
To be fair to Becks he’s not a hypocrite.Yeah. I can't find the sum exactly but Gary Neville got paid off as well. Every one of these cnuts is for sale and we'd do well to remember that. Beckham took £10m from Qatar too. There is no doubt in my mind that the Emirati State has paid these chaps handsomely in the past, and if not then then others - there's simply just not -enough- mainstream outrage about what they've done and been doing. Even the missed doping tests got completely glossed over which given Guardiolas hilariously murky past with it is... Surprising. The journalists... "Journalists", wow.. .Their principles all have a price tag and I guess they can't go after Man City to the degree they should for the bribery and -cheating- because they must feel they're biting the hand that feeds them. I get it, but we shouldn't be preached to by the same pigs in the trough.
Only a city fan would be this deluded.Coming at this from the perspective of someone who is more a general fan of English football than of any one particular team, this thread is actually extraordinarily pathetic.
Manchester City have put together an incredible squad at a lower cost in transfer fees than Chelsea's and on a lower overall wage bill than both ourselves and Chelsea (and no, Manchester City's transfer fees/wages for this season are not part of the charges brought against them by the Premier League).
In any case, those FFP rules that Manchester City are accused of breaking are despicable in their nature. I will never understand why it should be fair that teams like Manchester United and Real Madrid be legally protected to continuously outspend all their rivals simply through having created more revenue historically, leading to a perpetual cycle of anti-competitive protectionism where the fresh investment required for new competition is throttled.
I also notice a distinct lack of appreciation for what Manchester City have given to English football. Since 2009, Manchester City have brought a large volume of star players to the Premier League, contributed some of the league's most defining moments, contributed to England's coefficient in Europe and ultimately been a major reason behind the dramatic increase in television revenues which have benefitted the entire league and wider football pyramid.
I understand that there is also this "sportswashing" angle, but as with the above aspects, I also do not understand it at all - what exactly is the practical point that those who use this argument are trying to make?
Everybody cares about human rights abuses across the world and specifically in this instance, the related issues in the Middle East.
However, if Abu Dhabi hadn't purchased Manchester City, would all the political prisoners being held in the UAE now be free? If England had given the UAE and other Middle Eastern countries the cold shoulder in the past, would their subsequent pivot towards China and Russia have improved the human rights situations there?
Simply holding the position that you don't want such states to be involved in English football, with zero additional thought given to the wider context within which this viewpoint sits, is a completely closed-minded and morally indefensible position to hold. The way these situations improve is through dialogue and communication, through giving Qatar the World Cup then using this to push through the abolition of the kafala system.
It does not improve with stonewalling through the adoption of an us vs them attitude.
Barcelona fans bending over for City due to Pep is so predictable. Birds of the same (cheating) feather, as they say. Hopefully your frauds will be punished as will City’s.If Man Utd were doing good on field, Man Utd fans wont even mention city's financial doping, but at the moment thats the only stick they are left to beat man city with. And, they dont want anyone to talk abt the fact that Man Utd's net expenditure easily matches city's or even higher....fact is pep has totally transformed man city and Man Utd are jut playing catchup game now and it can easily be decades for them before they win title, and thats why all this bitterness. Fans all over the world just want to see their teams playing fantastic football , scoring goals and winning titles...and only one team in manchester seems to be doing all that at the moment, while fans of other one are left with no choice but to badmouth city's success...
Chelsea in 2003 not now with the useless nuttersure a mention here and there, but definitely no 89 page long thread and still going on...
how do these posters even get promoted?Coming at this from the perspective of someone who is more a general fan of English football than of any one particular team, this thread is actually extraordinarily pathetic.
Manchester City have put together an incredible squad at a lower cost in transfer fees than Chelsea's and on a lower overall wage bill than both ourselves and Chelsea (and no, Manchester City's transfer fees/wages for this season are not part of the charges brought against them by the Premier League).
In any case, those FFP rules that Manchester City are accused of breaking are despicable in their nature. I will never understand why it should be fair that teams like Manchester United and Real Madrid be legally protected to continuously outspend all their rivals simply through having created more revenue historically, leading to a perpetual cycle of anti-competitive protectionism where the fresh investment required for new competition is throttled.
I also notice a distinct lack of appreciation for what Manchester City have given to English football. Since 2009, Manchester City have brought a large volume of star players to the Premier League, contributed some of the league's most defining moments, contributed to England's coefficient in Europe and ultimately been a major reason behind the dramatic increase in television revenues which have benefitted the entire league and wider football pyramid.
I understand that there is also this "sportswashing" angle, but as with the above aspects, I also do not understand it at all - what exactly is the practical point that those who use this argument are trying to make?
Everybody cares about human rights abuses across the world and specifically in this instance, the related issues in the Middle East.
However, if Abu Dhabi hadn't purchased Manchester City, would all the political prisoners being held in the UAE now be free? If England had given the UAE and other Middle Eastern countries the cold shoulder in the past, would their subsequent pivot towards China and Russia have improved the human rights situations there?
Simply holding the position that you don't want such states to be involved in English football, with zero additional thought given to the wider context within which this viewpoint sits, is a completely closed-minded and morally indefensible position to hold. The way these situations improve is through dialogue and communication, through giving Qatar the World Cup then using this to push through the abolition of the kafala system.
It does not improve with stonewalling through the adoption of an us vs them attitude.
British media are hypocrites, but BBC happens to be the worse.He took £1.6m even though he had that massive rant about them. Plus he’s forever chilling in Dubai in their 5* hotels built by migrants.
how do these posters even get promoted?
Barca fan speaking about cheating. Beautiful, you'd know.If Man Utd were doing good on field, Man Utd fans wont even mention city's financial doping, but at the moment thats the only stick they are left to beat man city with. And, they dont want anyone to talk abt the fact that Man Utd's net expenditure easily matches city's or even higher....fact is pep has totally transformed man city and Man Utd are jut playing catchup game now and it can easily be decades for them before they win title, and thats why all this bitterness. Fans all over the world just want to see their teams playing fantastic football , scoring goals and winning titles...and only one team in manchester seems to be doing all that at the moment, while fans of other one are left with no choice but to badmouth city's success...
Put this is another thread but it belongs here..
It’s really odd how the financial rules violations are so quiet. From opposing fans as well. The hate for us from fans explains that so some degree. But the media..if they are found guilty the media will have to turn 360 on them. They aren’t even covering all bases and voicing some concerns. But if one player in a winning team is taking performance enhancing drugs….it would be headlines.
Put this is another thread but it belongs here..
It’s really odd how the financial rules violations are so quiet. From opposing fans as well. The hate for us from fans explains that so some degree. But the media..if they are found guilty the media will have to turn 360 on them. They aren’t even covering all bases and voicing some concerns. But if one player in a winning team is taking performance enhancing drugs….it would be headlines.
Yep I watched that and said to myself is that it? 115 charges and 1 sentence on MOTD. If this was a UTD or Liverpool there would be a panorama program and been brought up In the houses of Parliament, trouble is City know they've cheated but because it was years ago it doesn't matter.Mentioned in passing by Gary Lineker on MotD. Glossed over by Shearer.
Discussion over, move on.
Basically, no one gives a shit. They'll get away with it, no doubt about it.
We don‘t need your opinion you support another cheating scumbag club.If Man Utd were doing good on field, Man Utd fans wont even mention city's financial doping, but at the moment thats the only stick they are left to beat man city with. And, they dont want anyone to talk abt the fact that Man Utd's net expenditure easily matches city's or even higher....fact is pep has totally transformed man city and Man Utd are jut playing catchup game now and it can easily be decades for them before they win title, and thats why all this bitterness. Fans all over the world just want to see their teams playing fantastic football , scoring goals and winning titles...and only one team in manchester seems to be doing all that at the moment, while fans of other one are left with no choice but to badmouth city's success...
I’ve seen some bad takes on here but this is awful.If Man Utd were doing good on field, Man Utd fans wont even mention city's financial doping, but at the moment thats the only stick they are left to beat man city with. And, they dont want anyone to talk abt the fact that Man Utd's net expenditure easily matches city's or even higher....fact is pep has totally transformed man city and Man Utd are jut playing catchup game now and it can easily be decades for them before they win title, and thats why all this bitterness. Fans all over the world just want to see their teams playing fantastic football , scoring goals and winning titles...and only one team in manchester seems to be doing all that at the moment, while fans of other one are left with no choice but to badmouth city's success...
Add some capital punishment to make it more exciting.They should receive a joint punishment with Barcelona. The two of them can play each other every week for a season in a super league of two. The winner gets promoted to Saudi Arabia. The loser gets abolished.
Yep I watched that and said to myself is that it? 115 charges and 1 sentence on MOTD. If this was a UTD or Liverpool there would be a panorama program and been brought up In the houses of Parliament, trouble is City know they've cheated but because it was years ago it doesn't matter.
Your post is factually wrong and a bit naive.Coming at this from the perspective of someone who is more a general fan of English football than of any one particular team, this thread is actually extraordinarily pathetic.
Manchester City have put together an incredible squad at a lower cost in transfer fees than Chelsea's and on a lower overall wage bill than both ourselves and Chelsea (and no, Manchester City's transfer fees/wages for this season are not part of the charges brought against them by the Premier League).
In any case, those FFP rules that Manchester City are accused of breaking are despicable in their nature. I will never understand why it should be fair that teams like Manchester United and Real Madrid be legally protected to continuously outspend all their rivals simply through having created more revenue historically, leading to a perpetual cycle of anti-competitive protectionism where the fresh investment required for new competition is throttled.
I also notice a distinct lack of appreciation for what Manchester City have given to English football. Since 2009, Manchester City have brought a large volume of star players to the Premier League, contributed some of the league's most defining moments, contributed to England's coefficient in Europe and ultimately been a major reason behind the dramatic increase in television revenues which have benefitted the entire league and wider football pyramid.
I understand that there is also this "sportswashing" angle, but as with the above aspects, I also do not understand it at all - what exactly is the practical point that those who use this argument are trying to make?
Everybody cares about human rights abuses across the world and specifically in this instance, the related issues in the Middle East.
However, if Abu Dhabi hadn't purchased Manchester City, would all the political prisoners being held in the UAE now be free? If England had given the UAE and other Middle Eastern countries the cold shoulder in the past, would their subsequent pivot towards China and Russia have improved the human rights situations there?
Simply holding the position that you don't want such states to be involved in English football, with zero additional thought given to the wider context within which this viewpoint sits, is a completely closed-minded and morally indefensible position to hold. The way these situations improve is through dialogue and communication, through giving Qatar the World Cup then using this to push through the abolition of the kafala system.
It does not improve with stonewalling through the adoption of an us vs them attitude.
‘Fan of football’Coming at this from the perspective of someone who is more a general fan of English football than of any one particular team, this thread is actually extraordinarily pathetic.
Manchester City have put together an incredible squad at a lower cost in transfer fees than Chelsea's and on a lower overall wage bill than both ourselves and Chelsea (and no, Manchester City's transfer fees/wages for this season are not part of the charges brought against them by the Premier League).
In any case, those FFP rules that Manchester City are accused of breaking are despicable in their nature. I will never understand why it should be fair that teams like Manchester United and Real Madrid be legally protected to continuously outspend all their rivals simply through having created more revenue historically, leading to a perpetual cycle of anti-competitive protectionism where the fresh investment required for new competition is throttled.
I also notice a distinct lack of appreciation for what Manchester City have given to English football. Since 2009, Manchester City have brought a large volume of star players to the Premier League, contributed some of the league's most defining moments, contributed to England's coefficient in Europe and ultimately been a major reason behind the dramatic increase in television revenues which have benefitted the entire league and wider football pyramid.
I understand that there is also this "sportswashing" angle, but as with the above aspects, I also do not understand it at all - what exactly is the practical point that those who use this argument are trying to make?
Everybody cares about human rights abuses across the world and specifically in this instance, the related issues in the Middle East.
However, if Abu Dhabi hadn't purchased Manchester City, would all the political prisoners being held in the UAE now be free? If England had given the UAE and other Middle Eastern countries the cold shoulder in the past, would their subsequent pivot towards China and Russia have improved the human rights situations there?
Simply holding the position that you don't want such states to be involved in English football, with zero additional thought given to the wider context within which this viewpoint sits, is a completely closed-minded and morally indefensible position to hold. The way these situations improve is through dialogue and communication, through giving Qatar the World Cup then using this to push through the abolition of the kafala system.
It does not improve with stonewalling through the adoption of an us vs them attitude.
If Man Utd were doing good on field, Man Utd fans wont even mention city's financial doping, but at the moment thats the only stick they are left to beat man city with. And, they dont want anyone to talk abt the fact that Man Utd's net expenditure easily matches city's or even higher....fact is pep has totally transformed man city and Man Utd are jut playing catchup game now and it can easily be decades for them before they win title, and thats why all this bitterness. Fans all over the world just want to see their teams playing fantastic football , scoring goals and winning titles...and only one team in manchester seems to be doing all that at the moment, while fans of other one are left with no choice but to badmouth city's success...
I love that it always comes from people without even basic understanding how those rules work.In any case, those FFP rules that Manchester City are accused of breaking are despicable in their nature. I will never understand why it should be fair that teams like Manchester United and Real Madrid be legally protected to continuously outspend all their rivals simply through having created more revenue historically, leading to a perpetual cycle of anti-competitive protectionism where the fresh investment required for new competition is throttled.
Most of the media are to gutless to really go in-depth over City's cheating as there's a real possibility City will go after them. It is after all, City's MO. Rather than prove innocence, delay, obstruct and discredit by way of aggressive attacks.
I'm still confident that despite City doing everything they can to prevent the Premier League even bringing the charges, that the case against them is strong enough to succeed. After that, the level of punishment needs to be such that it deters any other team from doing the same, particularly in a period where another State already owns one club and in the unfortunate event a certain State takes over United, it needs to be so severe that both of those States think twice about similar actions.
The punishment for financial management is often severe when it involves putting the clubs financial health in jeapordy. So it stands to reason that it should also be severe when it is used to benefit the club and gain an unfair, fraudulent advantage. So points deductions and demotion all the way to expulsion should all be on the table.
I do like @JPRouve suggestion that Saracens should be the precedent, though I would use that as a baseline punishment in the event they are found guilty.
Do they care? Genuinely asking here. I've voiced this thought a few times in the past but there's obviously know way to actually know the truth, but outside of United, pool and arsenal fans, do fans of any other teams actually care about what city are doing?
Coming at this from the perspective of someone who is more a general fan of English football than of any one particular team, this thread is actually extraordinarily pathetic.
Manchester City have put together an incredible squad at a lower cost in transfer fees than Chelsea's and on a lower overall wage bill than both ourselves and Chelsea (and no, Manchester City's transfer fees/wages for this season are not part of the charges brought against them by the Premier League).
In any case, those FFP rules that Manchester City are accused of breaking are despicable in their nature. I will never understand why it should be fair that teams like Manchester United and Real Madrid be legally protected to continuously outspend all their rivals simply through having created more revenue historically, leading to a perpetual cycle of anti-competitive protectionism where the fresh investment required for new competition is throttled.
I also notice a distinct lack of appreciation for what Manchester City have given to English football. Since 2009, Manchester City have brought a large volume of star players to the Premier League, contributed some of the league's most defining moments, contributed to England's coefficient in Europe and ultimately been a major reason behind the dramatic increase in television revenues which have benefitted the entire league and wider football pyramid.
I understand that there is also this "sportswashing" angle, but as with the above aspects, I also do not understand it at all - what exactly is the practical point that those who use this argument are trying to make?
Everybody cares about human rights abuses across the world and specifically in this instance, the related issues in the Middle East.
However, if Abu Dhabi hadn't purchased Manchester City, would all the political prisoners being held in the UAE now be free? If England had given the UAE and other Middle Eastern countries the cold shoulder in the past, would their subsequent pivot towards China and Russia have improved the human rights situations there?
Simply holding the position that you don't want such states to be involved in English football, with zero additional thought given to the wider context within which this viewpoint sits, is a completely closed-minded and morally indefensible position to hold. The way these situations improve is through dialogue and communication, through giving Qatar the World Cup then using this to push through the abolition of the kafala system.
It does not improve with stonewalling through the adoption of an us vs them attitude.
What a shit WUM.Coming at this from the perspective of someone who is more a general fan of English football than of any one particular team, this thread is actually extraordinarily pathetic.
Manchester City have put together an incredible squad at a lower cost in transfer fees than Chelsea's and on a lower overall wage bill than both ourselves and Chelsea (and no, Manchester City's transfer fees/wages for this season are not part of the charges brought against them by the Premier League).
In any case, those FFP rules that Manchester City are accused of breaking are despicable in their nature. I will never understand why it should be fair that teams like Manchester United and Real Madrid be legally protected to continuously outspend all their rivals simply through having created more revenue historically, leading to a perpetual cycle of anti-competitive protectionism where the fresh investment required for new competition is throttled.
I also notice a distinct lack of appreciation for what Manchester City have given to English football. Since 2009, Manchester City have brought a large volume of star players to the Premier League, contributed some of the league's most defining moments, contributed to England's coefficient in Europe and ultimately been a major reason behind the dramatic increase in television revenues which have benefitted the entire league and wider football pyramid.
I understand that there is also this "sportswashing" angle, but as with the above aspects, I also do not understand it at all - what exactly is the practical point that those who use this argument are trying to make?
Everybody cares about human rights abuses across the world and specifically in this instance, the related issues in the Middle East.
However, if Abu Dhabi hadn't purchased Manchester City, would all the political prisoners being held in the UAE now be free? If England had given the UAE and other Middle Eastern countries the cold shoulder in the past, would their subsequent pivot towards China and Russia have improved the human rights situations there?
Simply holding the position that you don't want such states to be involved in English football, with zero additional thought given to the wider context within which this viewpoint sits, is a completely closed-minded and morally indefensible position to hold. The way these situations improve is through dialogue and communication, through giving Qatar the World Cup then using this to push through the abolition of the kafala system.
It does not improve with stonewalling through the adoption of an us vs them attitude.
Let 'em sneer. The fact that 115 charges have been levelled at City speaks for itself. If only half - no, let's make that a quarter of them stick and are proved, that's still a lot of cheating to account for. It's no wonder City's lawyers are playing the deflection game by objecting to an Arsenal fan.I’ve seen some bad takes on here but this is awful.
I had in mind the idea that they start the next two seasons -70 points. It basically allows players and staff to find new jobs or clubs. And a fine equivalent to all the prize and broadcasting money that they received during the cheating years.
Let 'em sneer. The fact that 115 charges have been levelled at City speaks for itself. If only half - no, let's make that a quarter of them stick and are proved, that's still a lot of cheating to account for. It's no wonder City's lawyers are playing the deflection game by objecting to an Arsenal fan.
This is so inaccurate it is ridiculous. How do you explain 9 other clubs also calling out City's cheating? UEFA? Premier League? You'd have to be blind not to see it.If Man Utd were doing good on field, Man Utd fans wont even mention city's financial doping, but at the moment thats the only stick they are left to beat man city with. And, they dont want anyone to talk abt the fact that Man Utd's net expenditure easily matches city's or even higher....fact is pep has totally transformed man city and Man Utd are jut playing catchup game now and it can easily be decades for them before they win title, and thats why all this bitterness. Fans all over the world just want to see their teams playing fantastic football , scoring goals and winning titles...and only one team in manchester seems to be doing all that at the moment, while fans of other one are left with no choice but to badmouth city's success...
I’ve seen some bad takes on here but this is awful.
If only 10% stick it would be unprecedented. Usual clubs have 1 or 2 charges and can be punished quite severely. 115, even if some are duplicated or fairly mundane is ridiculous. The only benefit City get from so many charges is they can use them to delay the case by asking the merits of each to be checked and checked again.
City are the Mob, they operate like a crime syndicate. The Premier League is using the same tactics serious crime and the likes of the FBI use to bring them down.
If they are found guilty, I fully expect that won't be the end either, because it should then be escalated above the Premier League and to the HMRC and potentially criminal as what they've done is basically fraud. So things could get very ugly for them.