City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with 130 FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th Sep 2024 | Concluded 9th Dec 2024 - Awaiting outcome

I’m getting very close to giving up on football, I was 19 when we won the treble , good times not just because we were good, but teams won on merit , dark times
 
Sandikan said:
1 Billion pound "sponsorship" incoming for City.
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How else are the poor underdogs going to be able to compete against those big bully clubs with all those fans? You cannot expect Pep to work with such a meager squad can you?
 
Jim, time for INEOS to sponsor the left leg of our shirts for £500m a year, effective from Monday morning.
 
Tibs said:
Jim, time for INEOS to sponsor the left leg of our shirts for £500m a year, effective from Monday morning.
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Yeah, not really the outcome.

With the modifications they made to the rules that were deemed unlawful, there's no reason it shouldn't be legal after being voted through again.
 
This could genuinely be the thing that ends up cementing City as the biggest club in the land. It'll happen eventually with unlimited spending and no rules because, let's face it, that's where we're heading for them.

We, on the other hand, will remain on the slippery slope. Our owners and Jim Glazer won't be setting up any sponsorships for us with their money. Quite the opposite.
 
Von Mistelroum said:
This could genuinely be the thing that ends up cementing City as the biggest club in the land. It'll happen eventually with unlimited spending and no rules because, let's face it, that's where we're heading for them.

We, on the other hand, will remain on the slippery slope. Our owners and Jim Glazer won't be setting up any sponsorships for us with their money. Quite the opposite.
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They will never be the biggest club in the land. You don't get to be a big club by cheating. Regardless of how much money you have. They don't have the history, and never will.
 
NotChatGPT said:
Yeah, not really the outcome.

With the modifications they made to the rules that were deemed unlawful, there's no reason it shouldn't be legal after being voted through again.
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What the PL deems lawful and what a court deems lawful is not the same ,, all that has happened is that the tribunal has determined that the rules for 2021-2024 are unenforceable in that if they were challenged in a court of law the PL would lose
 
LawCharltonBest said:
So Ineos can sponsor United for silly money now then?

Or is this going to be like United not being able to sign a player from Nice even though every other club can buy players from their sister clubs?
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More likely, Ineos employees will have to wear Utd shirts and we may to sponsor them.
 
Man City are just toxic to this league but the premier league has also royally fecked up. First they allow their marquee club, at the time arguably the biggest club in the world, to be taken over in the most leveraged of leveraged buyouts and then they allow a nation state with human rights abuses to take over another club and distort the competition and undermine the rules with near impunity. The people who lose out in all of this is the fans. And considering how catastrophic the leveraged buyout of United was, the rules have been subsequently changed. But the Glazers should’ve been forced to sell up or clear the debt a long time ago under the new rules.

I belatedly applaud them for going after city for their flagrant cheating but they haven’t helped their case by making technical errors in the original drafting of APT rules. Here’s hoping 2025 brings some semblance of decency back to the league with an extraordinarily punitive punishment for City, at the very least expulsion from the league.
 
No doubt there defence against tge breaches are that the inflated fake sponsorship they came up with doesn't matter because enforcing rules surround it is unlawful.
 
Not liking the drip dripping of stories indicating that the PL basically can’t do anything. Feels like we’re being prepped for the inevitable.
 
DarkLord1984 said:
They will never be the biggest club in the land. You don't get to be a big club by cheating. Regardless of how much money you have. They don't have the history, and never will.
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History is just a matter of time. Once you've won multiple European cups, dozens of league titles, and the new generation only remember you as the team at the top, then you have history.
 
The PSR rules themselves are total stupidity, not just the associated party rules. Creating a fair playing field can be done really simply, just need hard limits on transfer spending and wages that are the same for every team. Make them high enough so the league can still outcompete every other European league. Enforce them strictly with points deductions, luxury tax, or even relegation (as in Rugby Union), really doesn't need to be this complicated.

Our owners are as bad as Utd, borrowing a billion and bending every single rule they can, but they can only do that because the rules themselves are utterly moronic.

Personally I have no issue with City, they're just doing what Jack Walker, Abramovich and others did first. They're also much better run than pretty much any other club in the league. I expect they'll be relegated..., but the league need to sort their shit out, scrap the current rules and put in very simple and easily enforced ones that give all the clubs a chance of winning. Not just the ones that already have high revenue.
 
SuperiorXI said:
People will never forget that the only reason for their success is financial doping and cheating on an epic scale.
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it doesn't work that way. if anything, fans usually tend to ignore such stuff.

Milan was expelled to Serie B for match fixing and was saved from bankruptcy by their sugar daddy Berlusconi who kept pumping vast amounts of money into the team.

what happened next is that we spent years calling them historic, traditional club not caring at all about how it was all made possible in the first place.

then we had had calciopoli again and still nothing changed, because their new fans were too busy enjoying Kaka and Pirlo.

in short, all these titles and records are now part of the history of the Manchester City. that's all that will matter to the future fans.
 
In six months time

"In a shocking and unexpected turn of events, six months on from Manchester Ciry winning its case against the PL on the ATP issue, the PL has been dealt yet another bitter blow as Manchester City have been exonerated of all 130 charges relating to financial irregularities. Furthermore, each PL club has been ordered to pay a 10 million fee to City Group to cover damages to the brand. Rulings have declared that, effectively immediately, Liverpool (2019/2020), Chelsea (2016/2017), Leicester (2015/16), Chelsea (2014/15), and Manchester United (2012/13) have had their respective PL title stripped from them and all awarded to Manchester City."

"A public apology from the FA Premier League is expected to be given."
 
DarkLord1984 said:
They will never be the biggest club in the land. You don't get to be a big club by cheating. Regardless of how much money you have. They don't have the history, and never will.
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I used to think like you, but things do change.
Yes 15 years of their success won't change things, perhaps 25 years won't.

But give it 50 years, storming past our league titles, Euro titles etc, different generations grow up seeing United as a mid table scuffler, then things can and will change.
Luckily ew won't be around to see it though.

And I do suspect a Euro league will blow the old workings up way before 50 years
 
Judas said:
The PL had a good run to be fair. What's everyones plan now then? Different sport, or a different league?
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If City end up without any real punishment it will probably be what finally kills football for me.
 
Pickle85 said:
Yep, there were on board weren't they? But didn't they then pull out?
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Everyone pulled out eventually, but I don't understand pining for the super league when City were going to be in it. I'd like a super league without City, Newcastle and PSG.
 
horsechoker said:
Everyone pulled out eventually, but I don't understand pining for the super league when City were going to be in it. I'd like a super league without City, Newcastle and PSG.
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Not only that but the Super League was a massively flawed concept from the start. They didn't even have relegation included for one which is farcical for sporting reasons.
 
Surely if the sponsors for the period 2020 - 2024 have now been seen as unjust and illegal, then what is to stop the rest of the clubs in the league from suing the PL, as the other clubs could have inflated their sponsors but they assumed it was illegal to do so.
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
Surely if the sponsors for the period 2020 - 2024 have now been seen as unjust and illegal, then what is to stop the rest of the clubs in the league from suing the PL, as the other clubs could have inflated their sponsors but they assumed it was illegal to do so.
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They haven't been seen as illegal, in fact the opposite has happened, so qhar recourse is there?
 
DarkLord1984 said:
They will never be the biggest club in the land. You don't get to be a big club by cheating. Regardless of how much money you have. They don't have the history, and never will.
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They have been creating their history since 2012. Give it another 10/20 years of this and the rest of the teams in the league will be long forgotten as the BIG teams unfortunately (with the exception of Newcastle and possibly Chelsea. The rest won't be able to keep up). Even now, the younger football fans don't seem to care less about all of the cheating behind the scenes and to them City are already the biggest team in England. In my personal opinion, the outcome of the 115+ charges is potentially the death of the PL. I suspect it will be the same for many.
 
Damon1559 said:
They have been creating their history since 2012. Give it another 10/20 years of this and the rest of the teams in the league will be long forgotten as the BIG teams unfortunately (with the exception of Newcastle and possibly Chelsea. The rest won't be able to keep up). Even now, the younger football fans don't seem to care less about all of the cheating behind the scenes and to them City are already the biggest team in England. In my personal opinion, the outcome of the 115+ charges is potentially the death of the PL. I suspect it will be the same for many.
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No matter how much people talk them up, how much we are told they will be th ebiggest and bestest team ever to have teamed.

The fact is, even when they give the fecking tickets away to local schools, they still can't fill the stadium. Not even for the champions league. Under the thick layer of gloss, they are a small club with an inferiority complex.

And that is all they wil ever be.

I'd bet most of their actual fans look back at the years of cheering on shaun goater and Georgi Kinkladze as they inevitably scored against us every time we played them with fondness. They were much more a part of a real club back then.
 
horsechoker said:
Everyone pulled out eventually, but I don't understand pining for the super league when City were going to be in it. I'd like a super league without City, Newcastle and PSG.
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If no action is taken against City I can see clubs breaking away from the Premier League to form a league without state owned clubs.
 
I've debated posting this on here for a while but I've heard from a friend that works for Chelsea that he has spoken to his City counterpart and City are anticipating a points deduction of -80 points and a three year transfer ban as a result of the 115 charges.

First of all, if true then I don't think that's anywhere near a strong enough punishment and I don't know how enforceable that actually is. I've never thought that a transfer ban would be applicable here either.

Secondly City and their antics are a plague on the game. Their fans try and paint themselves as some plucky underdogs rising from the shadows but in reality they are the Donald Trump of football. They have got to the top in the worst way imaginable and their fans that defend the ownership are an embarrassment to the city of Manchester.
 
MaMa given red said:
I've debated posting this on here for a while but I've heard from a friend that works for Chelsea that he has spoken to his City counterpart and City are anticipating a points deduction of -80 points and a three year transfer ban as a result of the 115 charges.

First of all, if true then I don't think that's anywhere near a strong enough punishment and I don't know how enforceable that actually is. I've never thought that a transfer ban would be applicable here either.

Secondly City and their antics are a plague on the game. Their fans try and paint themselves as some plucky underdogs rising from the shadows but in reality they are the Donald Trump of football. They have got to the top in the worst way imaginable and their fans that defend the ownership are an embarrassment to the city of Manchester.
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This would explain their transfer business in the winter window, and tying Haaland down to that ridiculous contract, if this is true.

At least it'd get rid of them for a season if so.
 
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