With the EPL already setting the standard of a point deduction for breaching rules, how many points deficit would it take for them to realistically have a chance of relegation next season? Something like 60pts?
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with 130 FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th Sep 2024 | Concluded 9th Dec 2024 - Awaiting outcome
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-60 on the epl record setting season would see them safe actually, they still have finished 15th that year. Realistically, though -60 relegates them most years and you'd need about 77 points to make it mathematically
They would go down with -60 - because they are not as good as previous years. But it's impossible if found guilty - that the punishment is divided over several seasons and that the punishment covers several areas.
Transfers - banned from transfers for x windows
Money - a huge fine that should be distributed to teams below the C.L
Points - serious point deduction over at least 3 seasons - to avoid them being back in the P.L if they get relegated
Europe - no European football regardless of results domestically
And most importantly to me - an asterisk behind every trophy they won in this period.
Correct me I'd I'm wrong but wasn't italian football on it's way to financial inferiority before calciopoli?
It certainly accelerated it's progress but signs were there in the early 2000s.
I think there are more factors at play with Italy's decline.
To start with, the big money investors started going to England and the venture capital types went to Italy to strip assets rather than invest in teams.
More clubs were implicated in the calciopoli scandal
The stadia built for most clubs were simultaneously not that old but also out if date owing to being designed for Italian 90 by a man with no interest in football who put a running track around each one. Only Juventus have built a new stadium in recent times.
Because the money was better in other countries more players stopped going to Italy. Barca and Madrid were in ascension along with Premier League teams.
The Italian way of football was also too defensive and I think people lost interest as other leagues became more exciting and the TV money was invested elsewhere.
Juventus winning nearly every Scudetto in the 2010s Probably also contributed to viewers abroad losing interest
Not quite yet, and not in that fashion. But the thing is, market manipulation/distortion, promotion/relegation, euro qualifications, etc, were all among the effects of calciopoli. Not the process itself, but the system that was uncovered. And that system had been in place long before the 2 seasons coverered by the trials. Consider that Lazio, Roma and Parma bankrupted themselves to compete in this rigged system. Parma didn't even get a title out of it
Seen the stats flying about in relation to grealish's goal drought and I dont thinknhis assist stats are that impressive either.
Truly ruined at city, used to be one of those exciting players that you wanted to see play, he really should go back to villa, especially whilst they are doing so well so it's not a huge step down from city.
Truly ruined at city, used to be one of those exciting players that you wanted to see play, he really should go back to villa, especially whilst they are doing so well so it's not a huge step down from city.
City have stopped playing two months ago after realising what’s coming (or, what everyone want coming), right or wrong, state-owned or not, fully deserved or way exaggerated. Once the prosecuting line becomes “financial doping” in order to grow much faster than normal by circumventing the rules, this is a difficult principle to counter in the face of the enormous evidence leaked to the general public.
You know too well the numerous, following trials in the public courts revealed a different truth, compared witn the sport justice witch hunt: widespead malpractice instead of a demon controlling it all or gangs fighting one another. That was a cultural destruction of an entire system which has actually destroyed Serie A. There was an attempted Calciopoli 2 just a couple years ago, much similar to City’s quarrels.
Juve got relegated and an initial 30 point reduction that was later reduced.
Hard to imagine City will get half of those punishments you've stated.
I'm guessing a hefty point deduction (something like 60 points reduced on appeal) and a fine. I think they'll be out the title race for 1 year, then be back at it the very next season.
I think you’re probably right but it doesn’t really fit the crime. Whatever punishment city get needs to have long lasting implications, otherwise 15 years of success far outweighs 1 year of pain, and nobody is deterred from copying them.
If its 60 points it should be spread across 4 seasons
When they're found guilty, there needs to be a pile on by the media. Enough of this tiptoeing around them for fear of being sued
I don't think that's the reason some of them do it.
I fully expect the usual suspects to spin it into a City have been hard done to story.
I think these kind of things have always happened though, just on a smaller scale. I agree City have warped the level at which it’s possible to compete, which has fecked everything to a more significant degree, but it’s still just a warping of already existing problem with modern football
If we’re talking about potential/arguable biggest scandals, the Spanish blood bag fiasco would be up there if true.
If found guilty on a lot of the charges, the punishment has to be severe simply because the other clubs wont accept anything less. If they are found guilty on just half the charges and not be given a punishment that cripples them for 3-4 seasons - we could have a situation where several of the big clubs (United, Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs) refuse to play City or prolong the whole situation by filing lawsuits against City - and then we are at it for 3-4 years. Of course they could still do that anyway - but chances are if City more or less are kicked out of the league, the other clubs are happy.
They have just announced record profits of £715m from last season.
Surely they’re just taking the piss now?
Surely they’re just taking the piss now?
I feel it's make or break time for the Premier league. They deal with this in a way that doesn't make them look incompetent or impotent and the league can move forward in a stronger position.
Let them off lightly and it's open season on cheating such as shell company funding, fake sponsors and selling off 'club assets'.
It's insane it's come to this but i suppose one horrible little club had to push the envelope.
Let them off lightly and it's open season on cheating such as shell company funding, fake sponsors and selling off 'club assets'.
It's insane it's come to this but i suppose one horrible little club had to push the envelope.
It's like Austin Powers money at this stage.
You could understand them battering United on prize money or sales or player stuff.
But any other income it's hilarious to consider they're anywhere even on the same planet, let alone close or ahead!
If i understood correctly how PL is run (clubs in charge), in theory City just can legally bribe few clubs to be on their side. Give Brentford few players, send some youngsters to Ipswich, pay dinner to Levy......right?
Yes, people turned their heads to the Premier league and la liga when they already lost big star names before the calciopoli.
There is no way they are avoiding relegation if (big if) found guilty. The threshold of punishments already set with other cases. Otherwise.. Newcastle will do the same and ignores the consequences as it's not difficult to reboubd from.
Why on earth have they formatted the graph in that manner
Excel does it automatically for some reason, no idea why. Try it
Stick this in to excel
| Annual Revenue | |
| Man Utd | 662 |
| Man City | 715 |
I genuinely feels this happens, we can see this in so many dodgy deals City do where their reserve players with ZERO City caps end up being sold from £20 million while both our clubs struggle to shift proper PL players for anything decent.
When you have been cheating the system knowingly for almost 15 years, the only acceptable punishment is ownership change withastipulation that the new owners have to be approved by the PL, so that City doesn't end up being owned by Abu Dhabi 2.0. This will cut the snakes head. It will also serve as a cautionary tale to Newcastle or any club that wants to take on the Premier League.
Hopefully they get the same treatment as Rangers.. relegation, then EFL clubs refuse to accept them into the EFL conference please...would suit them. Tin pot cnuts. Will be glorious
That James Trafford deal stank. No club football appearances outside of League 1? Here, take 15m.
I am absolutely blown away by the sheer corruption that is now rife in footy. The Saudi World Cup deal is just mind boggling openly corrupt. And then I’ve just found out that a company Saudi have a big stake in have offered one billion for the rights to the club World Cup. fecking shameless.
Comfort yourself in the knowledge that, once we're all forced to generate environmentally friendly electricity and petrol is phased out, or replaced by synthetic fuel, no one will want all their oil anymore and they'll all go skint.
It'll take a few years, mind, maybe 20 or so, perhaps less than that.
If there is no serious punishment you may as well just get owners coming out and openly cheat for 14 years in front of everyone with the expectation nothing will happen, it'll then completely destroy the league as why not break other rules too.
Prem know this, they've gone after City hard, purposely gave Everton and Forest harsh punishments. Been taken the piss out of and took to court themselves by City, sending letters to other teams to try give the PL a big FU.
The Prem want the hardest punishment possible and anyone who thinks otherwise is delirious - they could of brushed it under the carpet many times.
Prem know this, they've gone after City hard, purposely gave Everton and Forest harsh punishments. Been taken the piss out of and took to court themselves by City, sending letters to other teams to try give the PL a big FU.
The Prem want the hardest punishment possible and anyone who thinks otherwise is delirious - they could of brushed it under the carpet many times.
Was thinking the same, it’s making me twitch when I look at it!Why on earth have they formatted the graph in that manner
UEFA and PL are useless. City's revenues already overtook RM, Barca, BM, Man Utd and Liverpool a few years ago. This is an insult to the intelligence of football fans.
The global demand for oil will increase more in the next decade. There is now way oil will lose value in the next 30 years.
Our away support is the best.
