I may be wrong, but I suspect humility isn't their strongest attribute for any of them. From Pep to Yeti.City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with 130 FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th Sep 2024 | Concluded 9th Dec 2024 - Awaiting outcome
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I may be wrong, but I suspect humility isn't their strongest attribute for any of them. From Pep to Yeti.Well, hope the 3 member jury are really independent.
And really glad to hear that there is no where else they could go.
Any ‘punishment’ needs to be within the existing rules of the PL. There is no way that anything outside those parameters can be imposed, irrespective of the scale of any breach of rules identified by the tribunal.
Doing so just exposes the PL to a reciprocal legal challenge from a wounded animal. As well as presenting * with unlimited fuel for the persecution narrative.
There's a million ways of spinning this. You could also easily argue that City's delaying tactics, fighting the PL at every step, will have caused so much annoyance that they will punish the lack of cooperation extremely hard to set an example for anyone else
Just as you can turn it, City's ability to delay and drag things out means that an extremely harsh punishment could result in lawsuits.
I don't wanna ever hear the phrase "innocent until found guilty" from 90% of this thread ever again. Everyone has already decided.
I also am certain that they are guilty by the way, so I can't say it either.
I also am certain that they are guilty by the way, so I can't say it either.
How can they be innocent of this?
Failure to co-operate with Premier League investigations from December 2018 - present [February 2023] - 35 alleged breaches
They may be innocent of all the other charges but they are clearly 35 charges of failing to co-operate!
Like Kyle Walker aggressively showing his cock to two women in public then getting his own BBC podcast I fully expect City to be "seen" as guilty then get their own BBC podcast..
Maybe they co-operated. I don't know and neither do you.
Anything short of them being obliterated will be a let off. This is the PL’s last chance to look like they have control over their league, fail this time and it’s dead.
Why would they be charged with failing to co-operate if they did co-operate?
They won't be getting stripped of any titles, would be too damaging to the PL's brand. Best we can hope for is relegation.
They will be.
What would be damaging is to give the titles to someone else. They will strike this period of city from the record books.
I don't really see how it continues with the same people in charge to be honest, they have proven themselves unfit as owners, even by the league's vague definition.
They forced abramovich to sell, the only real way out of the mess is to do the same here.
I'm not sure you can give the titles to other teams. There's too many variables.
Going forward though it seems like it's becoming untenable for Man City to ever be in the Premier League.
Yeah, it’s all clouded in mystery and nobody can know anything about what happened. If we only had a possibility to see City‘s internal communication.
It seems fairly obvious that they haven't co-operated given the legal battles to prevent giving any documentation to the PLHow did they end up facing 39 charges of failing to co-operate if they didnt fail to co-operate?
I'm sure if it was Arsenal and Liverpool not getting the titles as a result of City's punishment your view would be entirely different
Liverpool were especially shafted by this, had it not been for City's they'd been romping the league for better part of a decade. Had it not been for City we would have been in for a 3rd title in a row record not even Wenger achieved. And would be 6 odd titles away from you.
The damage City's cheating has done to us especially since 2008, decimating our squad multiple times, has been immense and back then when we'd complain we'd get told by Utd fans money isn't be all end all. I still remember those posts here. Your post is all hyperbole. Whats a fact is had City not cheated both us and Liverpool would have won titles.
And so would you under Jose. You'd not been the mess today had you won a title then.
If they only get a 40 points deduction for all them charges for all them years, then what is stopping every other club ignoring the rules and just doing what they want.
The PL can't punish everyone and even if they did, clubs will see it as worthwhile if it is only a few points deducted here and there.
Newcastle for example would happily sacrifice a measly points deduction if ignoring the rules sets them up for the next 10 years.
Liverpool have only finished 2nd twice is the last decade which is the same as Man Utd and Arsenal so the claim they have been especially shafted and would have been romping the league for the better part of a decade is incorrect.
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What the hell are you talking about? United and Liverpool would benefit the most if runner up ends with titles. Both would get 3 titles.
Check you facts before calling out someone.
Is everyone charged with a crime automatically guilty of that crime?
I hope you never get jury duty!
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Exactly.
I still can't wrap my head around how it's lost on some people just how much city have destroyed the league. Sky can keep saying its the best league in the world, but 6 titles in 7 years puts the league on par with Bundesliga and Ligue 1 where competitiveness is concerned. Before people draw a line to Fergusons United as a comparison, the entire point is that Citys dominance has been rooted in cheating. We have had almost a decade of meaningless football, the same as all Lance Armstrongs tour wins made those years voids never worth talking about - that's whats happened here, a black hole of top level football in England.
40 points makes a mockery of the entire league
The Premier League had launched an investigation. In December 2018 City decided not to co-operate any further.
This is a matter of fact unless you think the Premier League are lying and City did co-operate?
This is the saddest part for me.
They have ruined the Premier League much how PSG have ruined the French League.
There is no punishment heavy enough for them. If I were Newcastles owners I would be looking at this and thinking that I'd just completely ignore any PSR restrictions and spend as much money as possible and deal with the consequences at a later date. The funny thing is, If Newcastle did this and started to blow City out the water, they'd be the first ones to start crying about it!
@duffer
Out of posts, It's been widely reported that City have refused to co-operate since 2018.
"They aren't necessarily lying. They might have a different interpretation on what "co-operation" means in this context"
What else could it mean?
You either co-operate or you don't, it's pretty straight forward?
Part of the reason that City stopped co-operating is that they knew it would mean that things take a lot longer and they can keep kicking the can down the road.
As I've said before, innocent parties don't act this way! If you have nothing to hide you don't run!
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Someone saying that something happened is not "a matter of fact".
They aren't necessarily lying. They might have a different interpretation on what "co-operation" means in this context.
The idea that you wouldn't be charged with something that you didn't do is utterly bonkers.
All the info is in this article about how they allegedly refused to co-operate by refusing to hand over documentation requested by the Premier League to assist with the enquiry and also failed to get the court of appeal to block the Premier League from accessing the above documentation.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...League-numerous-breaches-financial-rules.html
3 Person jury is Curly Watts, Mike Summerbee and Alan ball
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I think they're guilty as sin, regardless of what The Daily Mail says.
My point is that being charged with something does not mean you are guilty.
I thought Yeti reminded people how important staying humble was?
I thought Yeti reminded people how important staying humble was?
Yes I also bet that he will insist that modesty is his strongest attribute too
The logic is staggering. "Why would he be charged with murder if he hadn't murdered someone".
Funny read; brightened up my exceedingly dull day!
Is Martin Samuel still the lead defence attorney?
Case is closed but no leaks... seems like its one result only.
This is the PL we are talking about, they dont care about right and wrong, only £££.
What would the odds be for City to be clean and they sue the PL, probably the most likely scenario.
This is the PL we are talking about, they dont care about right and wrong, only £££.
What would the odds be for City to be clean and they sue the PL, probably the most likely scenario.
Why trust any verdict then? This isn’t the Premier League vs Man City adjudicated by British judges, the league itself is the judge in this. And they would be the party who would know if City have submitted the paper work requested.
The murder comparison is way off.
Would love to hear your logic on this one. How does no leaks indicate anything in any way shape or form?
Why have the PL bothered if they only care about money? They must care about wrong to a certain degree hence this whole thing happening?
Not necessarily agreeing, but this could very well be an exercise in face saving from the PL to appease the public.