City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with 130 FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th Sep 2024 | Concluded 9th Dec 2024 - Awaiting outcome

Assuming they'll get at least a 1 point deduction, would they have any reason to apply it next season rather than this?
 
So reading the articles, even though the pl has no statute of limitations. The fraud and civil law of England has 6 years which is as of next month will be 6 years from when the Der Spiegel article first came out. It looks like everything they've been doing was delaying to get to this date.

Therefore to me it also looks like they'll get away with the majority of it again, with their fans and the club claiming exoneration again.

I hope someone on here will correct me and show me where this is incorrect.
 
Gambit said:
So reading the articles, even though the pl has no statute of limitations. The fraud and civil law of England has 6 years which is as of next month will be 6 years from when the Der Spiegel article first came out. It looks like everything they've been doing was delaying to get to this date.

Therefore to me it also looks like they'll get away with the majority of it again, with their fans and the club claiming exoneration again.

I hope someone on here will correct me and show me where this is incorrect.
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Wouldn't surprise me. But when does the statute start from?
 
Gambit said:
So reading the articles, even though the pl has no statute of limitations. The fraud and civil law of England has 6 years which is as of next month will be 6 years from when the Der Spiegel article first came out. It looks like everything they've been doing was delaying to get to this date.

Therefore to me it also looks like they'll get away with the majority of it again, with their fans and the club claiming exoneration again.

I hope someone on here will correct me and show me where this is incorrect.
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Proceedings have already started, so surely a statute of limitations wouldn't apply.
 
Gambit said:
So reading the articles, even though the pl has no statute of limitations. The fraud and civil law of England has 6 years which is as of next month will be 6 years from when the Der Spiegel article first came out. It looks like everything they've been doing was delaying to get to this date.

Therefore to me it also looks like they'll get away with the majority of it again, with their fans and the club claiming exoneration again.

I hope someone on here will correct me and show me where this is incorrect.
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Deny everything for the last 6 years , then get to the 5 th November and then admit the most blantant charges and liablity, safe in the knoweledge that they can't be sued by third parties, and after this use the best lawyers to argue the minimum punishment possible for them, is that what they are saying?
 
Oranges038 said:
Proceedings have already started, so surely a statute of limitations wouldn't apply.
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Well… but the Der Spiegel article isn’t when the offenses occurred. 6 years since the article. Which means most likely at least 7 or 8 years since the offenses. I don’t remember the article verbatim, but I thought it dealt with mostly with stuff from around 2014 and earlier.

If the 6 year statute of limitations thing on stuff like fraud is true … that cuts out a huge part of what I felt like they could pin them on.
 
Bluelion7 said:
Well… but the Der Spiegel article isn’t when the offenses occurred. 6 years since the article. Which means most likely at least 7 or 8 years since the offenses. I don’t remember the article verbatim, but I thought it dealt with mostly with stuff from around 2014 and earlier.

If the 6 year statute of limitations thing on stuff like fraud is true … that cuts out a huge part of what I felt like they could pin them on.
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Doesn't concealment amend the timings?
 
Nothing to see here pal. Completely normal that.
 
Guarantee that Labour will pick up where the Tories left off on this.
 
Like we said, this is a diplomatic issue.
Allowing countries to own clubs is such a terrible idea.
 
Ish said:
How would that work? Relegated clubs? Clubs who ended up second? Clubs who missed out on Europe? Or basically a free for all to try and claim some compensation?

Sorry I tried reading but it’s behind a paywall.
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From the article:

If the serious charges against City are found proven, clubs could claim for loss of income for missing out on the league title or European competitions over the course of several seasons, which could total hundreds of millions of pounds.
 
DarkLord1984 said:
From the article:

If the serious charges against City are found proven, clubs could claim for loss of income for missing out on the league title or European competitions over the course of several seasons, which could total hundreds of millions of pounds.
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Aargh I figured so! Also a case to be made for the relegated clubs!
 
DarkLord1984 said:
From the article:

If the serious charges against City are found proven, clubs could claim for loss of income for missing out on the league title or European competitions over the course of several seasons, which could total hundreds of millions of pounds.
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I knew there would be a class action lawsuit coming for them. You can't let cheats get away with stealing glory and prize-money.
 
Rooney in Paris said:
The "sportswashing is not a thing" people are currently looking for straws to grasp at.
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Hands in ears, eyes closed job! Or simply having their head buried in the sand.

It’s such an egregious and precarious position the league and the government find themselves in. Can’t help but think this ends with something scandalous happening.
 
Liverpool resurgent under Slot

city getting off with it

Trump

2025 is tuning up to be a shitter
 
Posh Red said:
Almost like it’s intentional
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I looked into the details of it when it was brought up. I was interested to see how the statue of limitations could apply.

https://cms-lawnow.com/en/ealerts/2...in-fraud-claims-court-of-appeal-clarification

The Court of Appeal (“CA”) has recently considered the application of s.32(1)(a) of the Limitation Act 1980 (“LA 1980”) which provides that where an action is based on the fraud of a defendant the limitation period does not begin to run until the claimant has discovered, or could with reasonable diligence have discovered, the fraud. This means that in a claim based on the tort of deceit, where the limitation period is 6 years, the claimant has 6 years from discovery of the fraud, or from when the fraud could have been discovered with reasonable diligence, to commence a claim.
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The CA judgment clarifies the operation of s.32(1)(a) in somewhat unusual circumstances, specifically, where the question of limitation arises following a trial and after the court has made findings of fact. The judgment makes clear that ‘the fraud’ that is to be considered (for limitation purposes) is the fraud as determined by the judge, and not as originally pleaded by the claimant. Further, the CA held that where the fraud comprises two lies, the first of which is barred by limitation, the claimant can bring a claim based on the second lie if it constitutes a second cause of action and the limitation period for that action has not yet expired.
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I'm still not sure if this whole statute of limitations thing is correct or if it even applies here, because the PL case isn't before the courts. PL proceedings started Nov/Dec 2018. It's been an ongoing case since then and is still open, so that's where I think people see the 6 years thing. Logic would dictate they can't just stop going forward because it's hit the 6 year mark.

I would also think that maybe teams involved who missed out on prize money or other financial awards, can't actually proceed with any claims yet, since the PL case hasn't been resolved. So, there hasn't been any proven cases of fraudulent activity for them to claim against.

Maybe someone else might be able to answer that better.
 
Big Andy said:
There isn't a statute of limitations for this one like there was with the UEFA one.
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I’m not referring to the punishment itself. I’m aware of what you’re saying.

I’m referring to the possibility of other clubs ability to sue City for loss of earnings if they’re found guilty.
 
Can anybody tell, when was the last time someone scored hattrick against city before Sporting game?
 
Fortitude said:
Hands in ears, eyes closed job! Or simply having their head buried in the sand.

It’s such an egregious and precarious position the league and the government find themselves in. Can’t help but think this ends with something scandalous happening.
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Yep, there are only two options either the PL decimate the Abu Dhabi project and it's 2 decades of cheating, relegate them and give them a meaningful punishment that fits their crimes. Or they drum some bullshit story to let them off and drop all pretence that the Premier League has any integrity as a competition and just let the Middle Eastern regimes take over the league and turn it into a Gulf state pissing contest.
 
Oranges038 said:
I looked into the details of it when it was brought up. I was interested to see how the statue of limitations could apply.

https://cms-lawnow.com/en/ealerts/2...in-fraud-claims-court-of-appeal-clarification






I'm still not sure if this whole statute of limitations thing is correct or if it even applies here, because the PL case isn't before the courts. PL proceedings started Nov/Dec 2018. It's been an ongoing case since then and is still open, so that's where I think people see the 6 years thing. Logic would dictate they can't just stop going forward because it's hit the 6 year mark.

I would also think that maybe teams involved who missed out on prize money or other financial awards, can't actually proceed with any claims yet, since the PL case hasn't been resolved. So, there hasn't been any proven cases of fraudulent activity for them to claim against.

Maybe someone else might be able to answer that better.
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The whole PL disciplinary process has to conform with English Law and enshrined in English Law is something the Limitations Act 1980 which means quite simply that whilst matters referred to an IC are time barred but and here’s the big but the limitation period of 6 years is if the matter was in effect nor in full view due to one or more of three reasons
1) Concealment
2) Fraud
3) Mistake
 
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