Fake or not that is a worrying sign.
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with 130 FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th Sep 2024 | Concluded 9th Dec 2024 - Awaiting outcome
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Deduct them enough so that they'll 100% get relegated
But even that feels like a slap in the wrist considering the scale of cheating. Theyed bounce straight back up and be challenging for the title again almost immediately
But the usual limitation defence does NOT apply in the case of the premier league bringing the 115 charges against city or against any other club. This has long been understood. The 6 year limitation period is relevant to whether the other premier league clubs would want to commence their own actions against city for lost revenue from losing out on European places to city. Of course that is dependent on the independent commission’s findings, but given its 6 years the other clubs will have plenty of time.
I'd still back them to finish above Everton and a couple of promoted teams, even if that happened
There you go inflating the figures again.
News on Twitter that’s they’ve secured some big victory over the premier league. Can someone who knows more about this (that’s all of you) explain what this means and what it means for the 115 charges?
Ahh feck off
feck’s sake. Knew they’d get away with it.
This is just the APT case not the 115 charges.
99% of the people are getting mad about this but they don't even know what this means 
This has nothing to do with the 115 charges.
It was already reported a few weeks ago that Man City will win this court battle against the Premier League.
This has nothing to do with the 115 charges.
It was already reported a few weeks ago that Man City will win this court battle against the Premier League.
Keegan in the DM
That’s slightly better.
Eat shit Law
Potentially good news for City but too soon to tell.
The planned rule changes could just be temporarily dropped, the twitter articles are unclear but they all say “ could be an indication of” ( or words along those lines)
If it transpires this is indeed a win for City then this must improve their position in the 115 case being that some of the charges relate to sponsorship deals being fair value etc.
So, if there’s substance that PL rules at the time were deemed unlawful maybe that COULD be a defence for not abiding by them?
Same with the failing to comply charges, if PL were asking for documents/accounts they have no legal right to ask for, or entitled to, how can City be guilty of not providing them?
Granted, this is all ifs and buts, and an element of clutching at straws on my part, but it will certainly be interesting to find out the true, full outcome of this APT case and what ramifications it will have for both sides.
The planned rule changes could just be temporarily dropped, the twitter articles are unclear but they all say “ could be an indication of” ( or words along those lines)
If it transpires this is indeed a win for City then this must improve their position in the 115 case being that some of the charges relate to sponsorship deals being fair value etc.
So, if there’s substance that PL rules at the time were deemed unlawful maybe that COULD be a defence for not abiding by them?
Same with the failing to comply charges, if PL were asking for documents/accounts they have no legal right to ask for, or entitled to, how can City be guilty of not providing them?
Granted, this is all ifs and buts, and an element of clutching at straws on my part, but it will certainly be interesting to find out the true, full outcome of this APT case and what ramifications it will have for both sides.
I've been in North Africa a bit recently, i noticed how the sports shops and markets didn't have our kits in them anymore. Plenty of City, Juventus, Barcelona etc and even Inter fecking Miami. No Manchester United anywhere.
I can’t imagine this has any impact on the official figures though!
When I was in Egypt I saw plenty of Messi, C.Ronaldo and City, a smattering of Real, Barca and Bayern and barely anything else. No adults wearing the first set.
99% of the people are getting mad about this but they don't even know what this means
This has nothing to do with the 115 charges.
It was already reported a few weeks ago that Man City will win this court battle against the Premier League.
Yeah the outcome of the APT case should have no effect whatsoever on the 130 charges they are currently facing
Just means going forward them/Newcastle etc will be able to massively inflate their APTs. All of their charges relate to providing inaccurate figures regarding sponsorships, payments to players, breaches of financial regs and unwillingness to cooperate.
They will probably say that any charges relating to APTs in the past are now deemed to be void, but they still declared the funds came from somewhere they didn't so you'd hope this doesn't change anything but like I said, gives the State clubs easier methods to pump money in.
99% of the people are getting mad about this but they don't even know what this means
This has nothing to do with the 115 charges.
It was already reported a few weeks ago that Man City will win this court battle against the Premier League.
I can't see any way that City win this, Saracens tried and failed a couple of years back on something similar (salary cap I think) and the head KC hearing this was also the head KC on that too, think they ruled that sporting leagues can implement rules that go against normal business rules or something like that
I was in North Africa and saw loads of United shirts you're all talking shite
It's sad that all we can hope as united fans is for this to stick, after years of being terrible on the pitch.
City are up on charges for breaking the rules that were in existence when they actually broke them. It doesn't matter at all whether those rules are changed in the future.
During those years of being 'terrible', we would've won 2 PL titles had City not cheated.
Fair enough, you may be right.
Having thought about it Arsenal really don't deserve to be at the top anyway.
I had to reel myself back a bit as i am from Manchester and i know a fair few city fans and most of them have been good lads.
I understand that the new generation of glory supporters are yours and there's a part of me that hopes that we don't gain them back when we get back to the top(crosses fingers). I know we will though.
I find the whole supporting players thing to be a cop out by the youth. It stinks of cowardice by avoiding the humiliation that comes from your team losing and getting stick for it.
As United fans, we've had a good dose of that these last ten years and maybe it has helped humble many of us.
My problem is always going to come with the cheating.
I get that you're dealing with a lot of anger in here, which is also in part to United's incompetence during the same period of rise by city.
Would you rather have old city back and start again from national league, or keep City group as is now, but forever be known as cheats?
Sounding like media have jumped the gun and they have just presumed the outcome.
How anyone can support and be for ownership models like the city group may aswell call it a soap opera as it’s no longer a competitive sport.
How anyone can support and be for ownership models like the city group may aswell call it a soap opera as it’s no longer a competitive sport.
The PL are clowns and the rules were and still are ridiculous.
As evidenced by our owners selling assets to themselves and most of our home developed players to get around all of it.
City spending their own money and better than other clubs should never have been gone after. Just damaging the image of the game and wasting tens of millions more on lawyers.
Going forward just put in flat caps on wages and transfer spending that apply equally to all clubs. Nice and clear with equally clear sanctions for breaking them.
As evidenced by our owners selling assets to themselves and most of our home developed players to get around all of it.
City spending their own money and better than other clubs should never have been gone after. Just damaging the image of the game and wasting tens of millions more on lawyers.
Going forward just put in flat caps on wages and transfer spending that apply equally to all clubs. Nice and clear with equally clear sanctions for breaking them.
Your own wardrobe doesn't count
It does if the rules were unlawful in the first place.
And then you’d see every other club in the league at the time claiming compensation
How could rules agreed to by the members be unlawful?
There are a lot of rules about what you can and cannot agree to. When we're dealing with a de facto monopoly, those rules are stricter. If a contract, or parts of a contract, breaks those rules, then it's not legally binding.
Off course city should be gone after; rightly so. Chelsea should be next.
John Cross was pretty shameless when talking about City the other night, other than clearly having a serious crush on Pep and Rodri, he also saw no irony in saying how wonderful City are, and that the Arsenal rivalry is so great for the game, and will be in the years to come, whilst then knocking SA for banning a Telegraph journo from the boxing for calling it “an unashamed sportswashing exercise”, when he has clearly fallen hook, line, and sinker, for the one going on at City.
Hard to believe a "KC" can struggle with basic English.
That Twitter thread is full of Geordies attempting to take a moral high ground when it comes to their owners and the actions of them. Laughable. Absolutely zero self awareness.
You don't think a team who have systematically trodden on agreed rules should be gone after, using all manner of trickery to bypass the rules.
Yet naively think you can introduce your little caps and that teams will adhere to them
Watch this space. City have lit the torch paper...
The point still stands.