I’d hope PL has powers to say “because you cheated for 15 years you aren’t coming back for 5”.
Then it’s up to the football league whether to accept them or not.
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with 130 FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th Sep 2024 | Concluded 9th Dec 2024 - Awaiting outcome
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Then it’s up to the football league whether to accept them or not.
Think they’ll get a massive points deduction that will see them relegated
Generally think they’re fecked and they know it hence no real movement in the market this summer
Generally think they’re fecked and they know it hence no real movement in the market this summer
Funny how a few years ago you couldnt post in here about citys obvious cheating without a barrage of city fans crying sour grapes and acting as if it was all just a bitter conspiracy theory. Here we are a couple of weeks before probably the biggest and most consequential cheating trial in the history of english football and they seem to be gone quiet. Funny that.
Agents are surely advising players against moving to City this summer and to wait until after the results of the trial.
If they get found guilty, then I believe that all the titles won after the FFP regulations came in should be stripped. The Premier League can only remove the league titles but I can't see The FA, EFL, UEFA, FIFA removing the titles City 'won' in their respective competitions, so they'll remain but with a massive asterix next to them.
I don't think any titles should be given to the teams that ended second, I wouldn't want to win a league title like that, but City are going to find themselves in all sorts of bother with other clubs who have either missed out on Europe due to their alleged cheating or been relegated due to it.
I just hope that the outcome is fair to everyone. Everton and Forest have been hit with relatively big points deductions following a single breach of PSR. If City are found guilty, then they should face a huge punishment.
I don't think any titles should be given to the teams that ended second, I wouldn't want to win a league title like that, but City are going to find themselves in all sorts of bother with other clubs who have either missed out on Europe due to their alleged cheating or been relegated due to it.
I just hope that the outcome is fair to everyone. Everton and Forest have been hit with relatively big points deductions following a single breach of PSR. If City are found guilty, then they should face a huge punishment.
Point deduction is fine as long as it’s 10 points by offense. So 1150 points. You spread that by the point total they can win every year. So they’ll go at the bottom of the English football in 5 years and stay there 5/8 years. Then they can climb back.
They have no plausible deniability right now. The second the club hands them some straws to clutch on, they’ll be back. If they weasel their way out of it, this place will be flush with them.
I suspect if there is significant punishment Abu Dhabi will withdraw it's investments from the UK completely, to teach us a lesson. I don't know much about their investments but I suppose it would result in job losses and reduced taxes one way or another but so be it, can't be blackmailed.
The EPL and British government are two separate entities.
I don’t understand how people think the government can just step in without coming across as a fascist state.
I don’t understand how people think the government can just step in without coming across as a fascist state.
Some won’t but I think many will. I don’t think pep will stick around if they are guilty either.
Do you not think that Abu Dhabi benefit from their investments in the UK?
Why should they pull all their investments, to what benefit?
They make nothing out of City in the UK, their genuine, bona fides investments do. In fact, if they are trying to promote the image of Abu Dhabi in the UK and around the World, cheating at football is not the way to do it.
It would be like cutting off their nose to spite their face.
I really think Sky will ignore it as much as humanely possible if they're proven guilty.
Are they guilty? Yes they are.
Will they be found guilty? That is a whole different matter.
Will they be found guilty? That is a whole different matter.
The titles being stripped won’t happen because it wouldn’t work. Mass points being docked and the owners having to sell would be the best outcomes. Look how quick Roman had to sell Chelsea. These guys can’t continue to own this club if they’ve cheated their way to the top. States shouldn’t be allowed to own football clubs.
The government intervened when Chelsea needed to be taken out of the hands of a Russian ganster with links to a despot.
In a situation like this it highlights why a foreign state should have never been allowed to purchase an English football club in the first place. The PL really need to remove City's owners from English football and that can only realistically be done with help from the government. If an English institution asks the government for help dealing with a foreign power then I don't see how they can not get involved.
Any mention of the charges on sky pre game today?
Does anyone know if the networks aren't allowed to mention these things during broadcast? Mine just spent a good minute on big Todd's crazy spending, the value of the Chelsea squad and didn't think to mention a word on the value of City. Or were this bright young winger Savio came from. Or the fact the Champions are at risk of not being the Champions anymore.
It's kinda weird.
It's kinda weird.
They also got involved when the Saudis were trying to buy Newcastle.
I'd imagine it's a top-down directive from the Premier League. They want us to ignore it as much as they'd like to ignore it themselves.
Why wouldn't they be allowed to talk about it? Of course they are. Some will simply have been threatened with legal action (which works, even if City aren't in the right, as it must be nightmarish to deal with their legal team) and others have been bribed, I would assume. That's enough to get a professional group to mostly shut up. Especially if that group is as spineless and traditionally corruptible as sports journalists and pundits.
I agree with your logic but I don't think you are taking pride and arrogance into account. They're not too bothered about the money, the rulers have shedloads, they wouldn't suffer personally in the slightest.
The bits I heard it was business as usual, ie City are great, and the charges don't exist.
Agreed. Far less likely now the corrupt Tories have gone too. Labour won't care less.
They discuss/mention it on Overlap (though I know technically not Sky) but same peopel
Their guilt is an inevitability at this stage. City have invested huge resources into delay tactics rather than fighting the claims. The timeline was posted earlier in this thread but essentially the hearing could have been completed over 3 years ago.
Kicking the can down the road isn't the action of an entity believing they can defend their actions. Let's not forget this is a civil matter too. The EPL need to prove City probably broke their rules. They have to prove it is more likely, than not, the allegations occured.
Once proven, I suspect City are in for a decade of legal issues. There are the criminal issues. False accounting (Section 17 Theft Act 1968) seems nailed on for the high level executives. Concealing criminal property (Section 327 POCA 2000) which is effectively money laundering. Then you have the fact this is effectively a complex fraud (resists making a Fraudiola reference). City have repeatedly made false representations from which they gained, and others were exposed to a risk of loss (Section 2 Fraud Act 2006). The most appropriate primacy for the investigation is likely the National Crime Agency (NCA) and Serious Fraud Office (SFO). That'll take a few years to unpick I suspect, a few convictions coming out of that. Custody threshold definitely passed when considering the societal importance of sport and the reputational damage to one of our biggest global exports.
Then all the civil stuff will begin. Every time City have finished ahead of another team, they've cost each team ~£1m in finishing position prize money. Years they've won, that's £19m. Second, £18m, etc. 15 years of it going to be around £200m. Then you have teams being relegated because City were cheating to stay in the league. Then the teams losing out on Champions League, Europa League and Conference League football because of a cheating team finishing ahead. The sponsorship implications of those losses. City have probably cost other teams around £750-1bn in lost revenues, just on those factors alone.
In short, I'd expect a couple of decent prison sentences for the coordinators of the conspiracy to defraud and financial ruin for City but likely playing out until 2035.
They will always have that in my eyes
I am done with this league if the FA punish them with some pissy little financial fine or some pathetic points deduction. You make an example out of them and show authority for once by relegation and stripping of titles. You need to be aware your reputation is on the line and don't start thinking about how it affects Middle east investment in UK either.
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Shouldn't they reimburse the money they won from the PL ? Would be around 600/700M of stolen cashprize. Redistributed to every other team except Chelsea because we can't trust them with money.
They should just lose the titles and declared as no winner like doper Armstrong's Tour De France ones
This is realistic yes. Was interesting to watch Guardiola’s vibe on Sky this evening. Came across emotional. Dry drunk vibes
I'd rather they give it to the runners up. Ole gets a PL medal
Then so does Gerrard...I'd rather they give it to the runners up. Ole gets a PL medal
I'd rather they give it to the runners up. Ole gets a PL medal
No thanks I just want them voided
The FA aren't involved.
Sorry Premier League
I'd rather they give it to the runners up. Ole gets a PL medal
He wouldnt, the charges only relate to seasons up to and including 2017/18
Never in depth
The FA and/or the Premier League dont decide the punishment the Independent Panal do so we can be pretty sure they wont get off lightly if found guilty.
Not getting sucked into this until a real punishment has been decided. I also think point deduction won't really be enough, they'll be back a year later and get back to their old shenanigans.
And that alone is reason enough for the titles to not be awarded to 2nd place teams.