He can move in with Dedric Boyata.
City agree £30m fee with Swansea for Bony
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
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I think it's jumping the gun a little bit to say Bony is definitely better than Dzeko. Put Dzeko in a team like Swansea and he could match Bony's goalscoring rate, and Dzeko is undeniably more proven than Bony. Dzeko also excels in his positioning and having that ability to put the ball in the net regardless of how he is performing overall on the pitch. Having said that, right now I would obviously take Bony over Dzeko.
We only have two actual strikers at the club , and one of them is injury prone (or two, if you count Jovetic as a striker, but he isn't). Milner has been playing up-front the last month. If the fixture list hadn't been so kind then we could be staring at a huge point deficit because of our lack of forwards. We used to have Tevez, Aguero, Dzeko and Balotelli at our disposal. Now it is just Dzeko and Aguero (Jovetic sort of). Of course we need a striker.
Have you watched Bony at all? He's just as lackadaisical and disinterested most of the time...
I'm not sure you can say money is no object for any team any more given the FFP restrictions. I trust City's accountants have done their homework on this and the deal is viable but it certainly isn't just a case of them spending the equivalent of a few pennies here; it's a sizeable portion of their budget.
£30m sounds a bit steep to me but then again if they can get £20m for Negredo then it sounds reasonable enough given the difference in age and scoring records in the PL. For those saying he's no better than Negredo, Negredo's record in the PL was a goal every 192 minutes whereas Bony's is a goal every 145 minutes so while he may not be the "better player" he's a more prolific scorer in the PL at least (and he's 3 1/2 years younger).
I don't think he's any better than Dzeko though, personally. In all likelihood Dzeko is ready to move on and be the undisputed first choice at a club like Atlético and Bony's a perfectly good replacement if that's the case, but I don't see him improving them in any way.
I don't recollect such a split reaction on redcafe for other players before. Seems half saying way overpaid other half saying good deal.
My take, he'll do the job until Aguero is fit and then be sidelined. Hopefully he'll have the sense to move on before he's been sitting on a bench for 4 years.
My take, he'll do the job until Aguero is fit and then be sidelined. Hopefully he'll have the sense to move on before he's been sitting on a bench for 4 years.
30m for Bony 
I thought he was Pool bound anyway would be a much better fit there.
Odd buy to be honest I rate Dzeko higher than him and about the same level as Negredo. He's a good striker but most probably Liverpool level. I don't think he'll come good for a top team with that price tag.
I thought he was Pool bound anyway would be a much better fit there.
Odd buy to be honest I rate Dzeko higher than him and about the same level as Negredo. He's a good striker but most probably Liverpool level. I don't think he'll come good for a top team with that price tag.
Good buy. Strengthening their backup players. He will give Aguero rest time and can also partner him when they play 2 forwards. Not sure what this means to Dzeko and Jovetic.
I think he has resale value if he becomes a bench warmer. Easily 10-15m. So effectively he cost them only about 15m.
Just a cover for the Messi transfer.
If your already looking to sell it before it's even been bought then surely the purchase is a poor one.
Just saying that it's a good buy regardless of him being a first teamer or not. I rate him highly.
He's a better player than Jovetic and more consistent than Dzeko. Makes perfect sense.
If anything, it suggests that your run of the mill decent player is hitting £30m quite easily now.
Lallana wasn't far off, Shaw, Herrera, Willian wasn't far off, Milner wasn't far off, Mangala, Illaramendi, Marquinhos, Fellaini, Lamela, Soldado, Fernandinho, Lukaku. The point is, £25-30m was a big big deal in the year 2000, however it's becoming a much more common theme across the continent now for players who really aren't big household names.
£16m bought you a 24/25 year old Michael Carrick in 2006. Imagine trying to nab him off Spurs at that age in 2015?
Even with him going to the African Cup of Nations tourney, you have to think they are looking at buying for more than one month so its not that big of a deal. If they are looking at him being part of the team for years to come then what does it matter if he is gone for a month or so. Price? who cares, not my money. If it hurts them in the summer, then good, but if he was who they wanted, then they have a few months early and no realy penalty is paid by them.
He adds some depth, proven he can score in the PL, looks to be a decent deal for them.
He adds some depth, proven he can score in the PL, looks to be a decent deal for them.
What does this mean for Jovetic and Dzeko?
As long as you have squad players who can be sold at a hefty price, such big purchases is no problem atleast FFP wise.
Or income from other sources.
One might leave, but you have to assume City want more than Aguerro and Bony as striker options.
Dzeko's bench scoring record is good, though, right? And sometimes strikes are surprisingly poor at scoring off the bench, so it is a bit of a question mark.
I think Bony is good, though. He and Aguero making runs in front of Silva, Nasri and Toure should lead to lots of routs against weaker teams, you'd think.
This might help them in the Prem but hurt them in Europe, as he's another central player and they're starting to look as unbalanced as we do. Zabaleta provides great width and penetration but Navas and Milner are aging and won't scare the top 8-10 CL sides, and LB is still a weak spot.
Fairly clinical striker, holds his nerve well for those one off chances that can decide tight games. 30 mill is steep but if it wins them the title, being able to field him when aguero is injured or needs a rest, then it will be well worth it. Good signing. Bastards!
Well I dont feel so bad about paying 27 million for Luke Shaw anymore. Thats an insane figure for a fairly average striker, although i suppose they are desperate.
Didn't see this deal coming. I feel at that price Swansea probably got the better deal. Though Bony I feel will do well for City, he just doesn't make me thing he will take there team up another level.
Under the current mark rate price for the striker look reasonable,imo city could have tried for better striker by spending further more,but its the question of Who.Also they need to consider FFP.
I guess Sigurdsson is worth 50m then.
I don't think these "30m!! " posts are warranted. When I first saw the headline, I thought the price was a bit steep, but it doesn't take more than a moment's thought to realise it's about right.
- Swansea bought Bony for £12m, he's at least doubled his worth since being in the PL relative to the going rate for players in the £20m - £25m bracket. Simply add on the taxation for a January purchase, it being City doing the buying, and Swansea needing to be paid more than the going rate (if they'd sold for £24m I doubt there'd be so many smileys) as compensation for losing their star player halfway through a season, plus them having no immediate need to sell except for the maximisation of profit, and that c. £24m easily goes up the £6m to make £30m.
- City's strikers are a strange bunch. Aguero may well be the top - or close to top - striker in the world, but that doesn't mean anything if he's as likely to be injured, perhaps more so, than play. Dzeko is a moody, erratic forward who doesn't fit in with the link up play at City. He's a selfish, linear player more suited to being a basic lead the line striker at a club that expect nothing from him but goals. They don't have another proper striker of PL standing at the club - just pseudo ones like Jovetic, who would much rather play in their natural positions further back. Bony is always fit, doesn't appear to be moody, plays a solid amount of link-up with inferior team-mates to what will surround him now and has an eye for the exploitation of space, be it to find himself in a good position, or to provide others with gaps to move into.
- He is PL proven. That reduces adaptation to the most minimal level.
- Dzeko was already disgruntled at City with playing second fiddle to Aguero last season. He is most likely off in the summer. Add Negredo to that, and getting Bony in as part of a new strikeforce for next season, on a lesser wage, will look like a shrewd move.
- Bony should theoretically enhance the games of Silva, Toure, Lampard and anyone else who likes to either make runs in behind the striker or take advantage of playing off a forward who can not only hold the ball up, but play them in off one-two's and the like. City's goal tally from midfield is likely to improve with Bony in the team, especially so over someone like Dzeko.
Bony is no world beater, but the things he brings to the table make him a £30m player for City, and in a January window, they would be hard-pressed to find an equivalent or better striker - in fact those people laughing at the fee are welcome to list players City could get for £30m that are better than Bony and available.
I see nothing but positives for them with this move, and as I said above, it's going to look a lot shrewder come the summer if this is part of them cleaning house as well as keeping in line with FFP.
" posts are warranted. When I first saw the headline, I thought the price was a bit steep, but it doesn't take more than a moment's thought to realise it's about right.- Swansea bought Bony for £12m, he's at least doubled his worth since being in the PL relative to the going rate for players in the £20m - £25m bracket. Simply add on the taxation for a January purchase, it being City doing the buying, and Swansea needing to be paid more than the going rate (if they'd sold for £24m I doubt there'd be so many
smileys) as compensation for losing their star player halfway through a season, plus them having no immediate need to sell except for the maximisation of profit, and that c. £24m easily goes up the £6m to make £30m.- City's strikers are a strange bunch. Aguero may well be the top - or close to top - striker in the world, but that doesn't mean anything if he's as likely to be injured, perhaps more so, than play. Dzeko is a moody, erratic forward who doesn't fit in with the link up play at City. He's a selfish, linear player more suited to being a basic lead the line striker at a club that expect nothing from him but goals. They don't have another proper striker of PL standing at the club - just pseudo ones like Jovetic, who would much rather play in their natural positions further back. Bony is always fit, doesn't appear to be moody, plays a solid amount of link-up with inferior team-mates to what will surround him now and has an eye for the exploitation of space, be it to find himself in a good position, or to provide others with gaps to move into.
- He is PL proven. That reduces adaptation to the most minimal level.
- Dzeko was already disgruntled at City with playing second fiddle to Aguero last season. He is most likely off in the summer. Add Negredo to that, and getting Bony in as part of a new strikeforce for next season, on a lesser wage, will look like a shrewd move.
- Bony should theoretically enhance the games of Silva, Toure, Lampard and anyone else who likes to either make runs in behind the striker or take advantage of playing off a forward who can not only hold the ball up, but play them in off one-two's and the like. City's goal tally from midfield is likely to improve with Bony in the team, especially so over someone like Dzeko.
Bony is no world beater, but the things he brings to the table make him a £30m player for City, and in a January window, they would be hard-pressed to find an equivalent or better striker - in fact those people laughing at the fee are welcome to list players City could get for £30m that are better than Bony and available.
I see nothing but positives for them with this move, and as I said above, it's going to look a lot shrewder come the summer if this is part of them cleaning house as well as keeping in line with FFP.
Nuts.
You know when old people talk about the price of fish and chips these days? Well that's everyone in this thread except you. Well done for moving with the times.
Nonsense. Bony is a quality striker.
30mil is a fair price considering the quality of the player, his importance to the selling team, the current market for players and it being a January purchase. Dont get the posts.
This is like Torres and Pool fans.
posts.This is like Torres and Pool fans.
Even Alaba, as the best left back in the world is probably worth only £40m (though Bayern wouldn't sell him) and he's only 3 years older than Shaw, so it's a tough sell to say he's "easily worth 30m". He's playing like a £10m full back at the moment and he's ominously starting to pick up injuries.
Dani Alves averaged 3 goals and 13 assists a season in the best team in world football and he cost £30m. He also hardly ever got injured.
Bony's scored twice as many goals as Falcao since the start of last season, at a better per minute rate in a tougher league.
This season of Falcao is £20m in wages and fee and if you take the option of keeping him say 3 more seasons, you could be looking at an extra £80m wages and fee for the privilege (£100m wages and fee total). Bony's wages and fee over 4 years at City is £50m and he'll be 30 by the end of it.
Rojo for £15m is more than Spurs paid for Dier, Fazio and Yedlin. Twice what Vertonghen cost.
Then there's Herrera, who despite his start is quite expensive at £30m, if you consider he can't play in 2 man midfield and Sanchez and Fabregas were similar prices.
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Tottenham fans should be quiet about transfer prices of other clubs
His point stands though, we overpaid for every single one of our summer transfers.
Add nani wages and lost transfer fee into the rojo deal as well.
Nah, we overpaid for two - Di Maria and Shaw. But when you consider Di Maria as being a top 10 player, and the fact we won't have to spend big at LB for another 10 years (possibly), it doesn't look as bad. Herrera was fair - Fernandinho, a 28yo, relative unknown, went for 30 two summers ago. Rojo - standard, and he's been more than acceptable for us. Blind was great value. Falcao - well, it's a loan. Only the wages aren't justified so far, I guess.
But there are lot of reasons for it.
One reason goes for Tottenham too. All other clubs knew Tottenham will have a lot of money (because Bale will go to Real Madrid) to spend.
They could ask for 5m on top of the "fair price" for player X.
In our case i would say it's even 8-10m.
And if a player like Rojo plays 6 World Cup matches and in a World Cup final then it's normal the price for him will be much higher.
Dortmund were interested in Blind too and he would have gone to them probably just for 10m......we're Manchester United so we have to pay more......that will not change.
And players like Shaw or Barkley or Stones don't go for 10m.....they have massive potential so they go for 25-30m.
We over paid for herrera, look at how much fabregas, kroos,etc went for.
We were the only team in for di maria at deadline day and he wanted to leave, no way he was worth that much. 33m for shaw is insane when you consider we could have gotten rodriguez/di sciligio(young fullbacks around the same level who can play for 10+ years) for far lesser. And you cant count on that otherwise anderson and nani would have been the cornerstones of our team right now. Not to mention wages of 100k a week!
Blind I would accept was good value but add onto nani's wages and potential fee to rojo's its clear we overpaid for him.
De Sciglio is no way on the same level like Shaw or Rodriguez
And Rodriguez's transfer price would be the same like Shaw's
£30m would be the 2nd biggest transfer ever at Bayern, slightly below our record transfer and we obviously overpaid in that one as well (Martinez for €40m was insane). If that's not a crazy price for a good but far from great back-up striker than I'm completely lost. I'd be furious about such a deal at my club, it's a waste of money, especially if you have an ageing squad that needs rebuilding in so many positions. It's a huge part of the available transfer funds and it's spent on a player who won't improve the team.30mil is a fair price considering the quality of the player, his importance to the selling team, the current market for players and it being a January purchase. Dont get the
Bernat for €10m was possible though
.Nah, I think Blind was the only player we got for decent value. The rest of them were definitely overprice imo but with di Maria and Shaw I think it was definitely worth it.
The fairly average striker who scored the most PL goals in 2014.
Yeah i agree....he has looked very good in the last months
But Manchester United are a english club so i want at least 4-5 english players in our best starting XI and 12-13 english players in the whole squad
It's a disgrace that Chelsea and City are having just 2 english players in the whole squad!!!
And i don't think Bayern Munich fans would be happy with 10 spanish and just 5-6 german players in the whole squad
But Manchester United are a english club so i want at least 4-5 english players in our best starting XI and 12-13 english players in the whole squad
It's a disgrace that Chelsea and City are having just 2 english players in the whole squad!!!
And i don't think Bayern Munich fans would be happy with 10 spanish and just 5-6 german players in the whole squad
Unfortunately looking at the best value deals of the Summer and comparing them against other signings will no doubt make every other signing look like overpaying. It's like comparing every deal to the £35m for Andy Carroll, which would make all of our Summer business look incredibly cheap.
When Moyes was in for him most people on here said they'd be happy to pay up to £45m for Fabregas, the fact that Chelsea got a £45m player for £30m doesn't suddenly mean that a £30m player isn't worth £30m. Likewise Kroos was in the last year of his contract and made it clear to Bayern that he wouldn't extend; he would also be a £40-45m player if he were bought with 3 years on his contract with Bayern not really wanting to sell. Likewise Sanchez was being pushed out of Barcelona and seemed to have his mind set on Arsenal, with them needing to sell to buy Suarez (I'm sure Liverpool would have paid £10m more for instance).
You compare Herrera to other deals lately and it's about right: Fernandinho for £30m, Illarramendi £32m, Willian £30m, Lallana £25m, Jovetic £26m, Navas £23m, Soldado £26m, Lukaku £28m, even Matic for £22m seems like a great deal now but was a gamble at the time. It certainly is no more than £5m overpriced, which is probably countered by the fact that his salary is much lower.
Then you talk about Rojo at say £20m and Shaw at £30m and it looks about right against the likes of Mangala for £32m, £15m for a perma-crock Vermaelen, £16m for an unproven Chambers and £16m for a backup full back in Luis (not even talking about £45m or whatever PSG paid for David Luiz). Likewise the £60m we paid for Di Maria is about right when you look at comparable transfers such as Rodriguez for £70m, Bale for £85m, £75m for Suarez, £43m for Ozil and Neymar for what must be at least £80m by now.
£30m for Bony is probably about right, possibly £4-5m overpriced but that's the premium paid for a player not cup tied in the Champions League.
Disagree on both counts, the only reason de sciglio might be seen as a lesser talent is due to him playing for milan and not being an offensive fullback like rodriguez otherwise he is upthere with the two of them.
I really dont think rod. would be the same price, remember 20m being touted about when the talk of him signing for someone was going on last year.
Wasnt it the same with madrid and di maria though? We were the only team in for him and madrid needed to sell yet we paid far more than arsenal. The others you quoted (rodriguez,bale,etc) were important players for the side not getting pushed out due to a new player ala di maria.
You are right about herrera in retrospect, compared to those prices it does look a bit fair.
Although its not fair to call luis a backup fullback, he was the best fullback in la liga and only went for 16m. I cant remember a single fullback that was as expensive and unproven as shaw. Even Dani Alves at his peak was cheaper for barca buying him from sevilla. Rojo I still think was expensive given he is below mangala in terms of profile,etc.