I think he's a good player, and will add something different to their attacking options. Not sure he's worth £30m, but he'll be supported by Silva, Toure and Navas, which could help him. He may end up being a very good signing for them.
City agree £30m fee with Swansea for Bony
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
Ummm, if Negredo's transfer is included, doesn't that mean you are left with 13M only? Plus there are incoming this season as well (Mangala, etc)
His agent looks a right dodgy git, reminds me of fonejackers sketch:-
And Spain is easier to score goals in than the Premier League (see Soldado)
Simon Mullock (the best journalist for City related stuff) said the deals in the summer for Caballero, Mangala, Fernando and Caballero have structured payments meaning although they have cost us circa £53m that fee is not being considered in its entirety for this season. Also, we raised £47m selling Rodwell, Garcia and Negredo.
Structured fees relate to the way the cash moves so they have no bearing on the way that they transfers appear in the accounts. In those the transfer fees are already amortised over the life of the players contract. So however the cash payments are structured has no bearing on FFP.
Aaah, amortised payments and all. That's how Chelsea are in the positive as well.
I think that you've got robbed.
So good they bought him twice.
That's what I believed as well, but Mullock's article suggests the structuring of the payments has benefited us regards FFP restrictions this season.
I think that you've got robbed
Thanks, I only needed one Willy. I meant to put Zuculini the second time. I saw what you'd posted and presumed it was referring to Mangala initially
Your recent top purchases have been either by activating the release clause or in Lewandowski's case, him running down his contract. Had either of the 3 not been such cases and you wanted them, you'd pay considerably more than 30mil. Not that I'm trying to compare the likes of Lewa, Gotze or Thiago with someone like Bony but there's a reason why Bayern havent had to pay top dollar in recent times. Wasnt Benatia too bought with just a year left on his contract?
Anyways, my point is that in City's case, clubs know they have the money to spend and when you want a club like Swansea to sell their best player mid way through the season with no chance of replacing him with anyone even of similar quality, you have to pay up. Even in the summer, a player like Bony will cost 20mil easily and if 10mil gives him 6 extra months to integrate and also gives a massive boost to their title challenge considering how injury prone Aguero is, I dont see why a 10mil premium is such a big deal. Unless they could find such a striker with a year or so left on his contract, they had to pay up. Its the price you pay when you want another club's best player mid way through the season.
30m for Bony........kinell!
I very much doubt the fee will be £30m flat. Probably £25m plus add ons amounting to another £5m when various achievements are triggered. You know how the press like to roll things together
I dunno, aren't ya'll spending 30m on another Willy?
What about Suarez?
Well, that's just not true. I mean, just look at this season alone. The likes of Sanchez, Costa, and Di Maria are all scoring as much or more than in La Liga. There are also more goals scored in the PL most seasons. On the other end, neither Bale nor Suarez have been able to come close to what they were grabbing in the PL so far.
It could do something with the other part of the fine which doesn't take financial report into account, but real net spend (we all know about amortization, so they decided to limit your NET spend, so in that case the cash flow could have something to do with it).
Nah, PL defending is incredibly good while everywhere else it's load of crap. As always.
To be fair though Costa aside none of these players have been as central for their La Liga teams as they were or are for Premier League sides they played or play for hence lower figures.
So David Villa is not good enough?
I think he will be a good signing and definitely a City type of forward. He likes the ball played to his feet and often comes deep to collect the ball. Might very well transform into an excellent player with better players surrounding him at City. That would be the worst case scenario for us.
He's not quite yet sank his teeth into it.
So perhaps he'll turn out for them as Saha did for United (when he was fit) and Drogba for Chelsea.
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We paid 27 for Fellaini. It seems a good price really.
I'd still rather Moyes have paid 13m for McCarthy and 15m on Strootman. Or even have paid the 37m for Herrera.
I think he will do well there, and will add an extra dimension to their attack. He's just a beast of a unit.
Fair play to Chelsea, great business there.
Thing is they have FFP to worry about and if their transfer limit of £40m is true then spending £30m of that on Bony is poor business IMO, even though I think he's a good player. They will have to rebuild a large part of that squad soon and their revenue won't be enough to bring adequate players if they keep paying £30m for decent Premier League strikers. For starters their midfield needs fresh blood as Toure won't be able to carry on for much longer and Fernandinho will be 30 in 4 months too. We can tell them how difficult it is to rebuild midfield, ours had to wait around 5 years before we got it to a decent state.
But that's exactly the point. If you don't scout well, follow the market and make smart longterm decisions, you'll overpay. Of course there are reasons why City has to pay up, if they want him right now. I wasn't arguing against that, I just said, the 30m aren't fair value, but a very high price and that deals like that won't help them getting to the top of Europe now that they're forced to act within the FFP rules.
Lot of fuss being made about this but I think it's a good bit of business. Top PL goalscorer in 2014 I think.
One of the best forwards in the PL. Holds the ball up well, very good goals scoring record in an average side and hardly misses a game. Also PL proven and ready to slot in.
Reminds me a bit of Drogba in how he plays the game and in a good side he could look like a very good player.
£30 million is a lot of money but who else would they have got for that who could drop straight in and hit the ground running. That sort of money doesn't always get you a lot these days.
One of the best forwards in the PL. Holds the ball up well, very good goals scoring record in an average side and hardly misses a game. Also PL proven and ready to slot in.
Reminds me a bit of Drogba in how he plays the game and in a good side he could look like a very good player.
£30 million is a lot of money but who else would they have got for that who could drop straight in and hit the ground running. That sort of money doesn't always get you a lot these days.
Not to mention that signings like Bony actually strengthen the Premier League hugely (not that this will be a thought process for City of course), so are actually a positive thing. City buy Bony for £30m and Swansea then probably plunder other other Leagues for their best talent, creating a much stronger League.
It's a good transfer for everyone involved in my opinion. No party is coming out of it being particularly screwed over.
Agreed. As a rival fan I'm not worried, but as a City fan I'd be pleased. And Swansea have got very good money for him.
I Did a squad breakdown in the summer for the cost of the top sides first 11 lineup's and bench and it made appalling reading, chelsea have built an outstanding team at a fraction of the cost to the other premier league title contenders.
For me, This is a great deal!
It's 30 million less City will have to spend in the future.
He's not gonna be a first team player.
Liverpool can't sign him.
It's 30 million less City will have to spend in the future.
He's not gonna be a first team player.
Liverpool can't sign him.
Maybe, maybe not.
If they sell both Negredo and Dzeko in the summer, they'll easily recoup the fee plus more and lower their wage bill perfectly keeping them in line with FFP whilst affording the opportunity to reinvigorate what had become a rather stale front line sans Aguero.
Not sure about that. Their stock has fallen considerably since joining City. Plus you'll have the inevitable downward pressure you get on any fee whenever it's obvious a club is desperate to sell.
Very true!
Doubt they'll sell Dzeko though will they? Even so, They're just recouping the Bony money then, rather than giving themselves 30 million extra!....I can't remember but how much were they allowed spend last season?...I think they had 15 million left over this year.
The wages is something I didn't factor in though!
I think there's a future fee of £20 million for Negredo. Don't think they'll sell Dzeko though!
There's talk in this thread of Valencia paying £25m for Negredo in the summer. I don't know if that's true or not, but if it is, that's the majority of Bony's fee already recouped.
I'd be amazed if Dzeko went for anything less than £20m. He's still a very good striker in the right kind of set up and I don't think his stock has fallen to such an extent that a host of clubs wouldn't readily pay at least that much for him in the summer. I personally feel this one will come down to what he wants to do with regards to staying in England at a smaller club or not. If he does stay in the PL, he'll be a costly buy for the purchasing club.
That's £45m off two strikers they don't want and a chunk of wage off their books, too.
Dzeko wasn't happy playing second fiddle to Aguero, let alone having more opposition for a start, or even back up role in Bony.
I think he'll want away. I also think City will be fine with that as I reckon they've a plan for the summer that doesn't involve Dzeko.