Christian Pulisic

Another lightweight player who won't help us getting bullied every game.
 
Isn't he just another player who wants to play in the Bruno/Eriksen role, or on the left (Rashford/Martial)?

Doesn't fill any of our major and glaring holes imo.
 
Big fan of his but has dodgy hamstrings - worth the risk on loan. We very rarely do loan deals though don't we? Falcao is the only high profile one I recall in recent years

Larsson was another, Tevez?

My concern would be his injuries though but a loan with an option wouldn’t be bad .
 
Newcastle are sniffing around a lot of these fringe Chelsea players.

Not even a sure thing these players would choose us over them anymore. Hahahaha.

Pullisic, CHO, Ziyech are decent players. They, under the right manager, could definitely kick on.
 
He can be deployed in any of the attacking positions but has mostly played on the left. We’ve experimented with him in the #10 position and even as a false 9 up top.

I feel like the best move for CP is to drop down a level. What he needs in order to show his best form is a constant run of games where he is an undisputed starter. He’s never getting that here and I don’t think he will at United either. I don’t really see anything changing for him in a United shirt. He’ll look great one game and then disappear for the next few.
 
Signing unwanted players from domestic rivals can work out. We just did it with Jesus and Zinchenko. We had the error of selling Chelsea Giroud thinking he was past it.

But Pulisic is not one of these examples. Chelsea would willingly sell him to you and not worry about him doing well.
 
Signing unwanted players from domestic rivals can work out. We just did it with Jesus and Zinchenko. We had the error of selling Chelsea Giroud thinking he was past it.

But Pulisic is not one of these examples. Chelsea would willingly sell him to you and not worry about him doing well.

The report is a loan
 
We need to be targeting Premier League players, preferably without CL football this season. I think Pulisic is a decent signing, he's an upgrade on our central mids currently but that's setting the bar very low. I think he's gettable despite the fact he will miss out on CL football playing more minutes in the league will be valuable for him.
 
He can be deployed in any of the attacking positions but has mostly played on the left. We’ve experimented with him in the #10 position and even as a false 9 up top.

I feel like the best move for CP is to drop down a level. What he needs in order to show his best form is a constant run of games where he is an undisputed starter. He’s never getting that here and I don’t think he will at United either. I don’t really see anything changing for him in a United shirt. He’ll look great one game and then disappear for the next few.
He'd be the first sub/depth option ahead of Elanga pretty much. We just need somebody there. Ideally left footed and. Can play on the right, but either way.
 
Signing unwanted players from domestic rivals can work out. We just did it with Jesus and Zinchenko. We had the error of selling Chelsea Giroud thinking he was past it.

But Pulisic is not one of these examples. Chelsea would willingly sell him to you and not worry about him doing well.
Bit of a weird post to make. Seems this is based off hopes and dreams more than anything else
 
Ironically, he would‘ve suited your side under Ole like a glove. He’s the ideal counter attacking player.
 
He can be deployed in any of the attacking positions but has mostly played on the left. We’ve experimented with him in the #10 position and even as a false 9 up top.

I feel like the best move for CP is to drop down a level. What he needs in order to show his best form is a constant run of games where he is an undisputed starter. He’s never getting that here and I don’t think he will at United either. I don’t really see anything changing for him in a United shirt. He’ll look great one game and then disappear for the next few.
He might be better under a manager who plays attacking football though. Chelsea is a graveyard for attackers under Tuchel, you could sell anyone of your forwards and nobody would bat an eyelid.
 
I think him on loan isn’t bad at this stage.

Ten Hag wants a versatile forward and he can play left, right or centrally (right being preferred).

24 in September, keen to move due to the World Cup and lack of opportunity at Chelsea. Used to the PL and it’s physicality.

Don’t see the negatives in adding him to the set of forwards. Almost a replacement for Greenwood.
 
I think he'd be a decent option for us. Mitten wouldn't have written that without knowing there was interest from the player's side in the move to United.

Not sure Chelsea would loan to a Premier League team, though. I hesitate to call us a "rival" to Chelsea, given how bad we look, but they might nevertheless have some reservations.
 
I think him on loan isn’t bad at this stage.

Ten Hag wants a versatile forward and he can play left, right or centrally (right being preferred).

24 in September, keen to move due to the World Cup and lack of opportunity at Chelsea. Used to the PL and it’s physicality.

Don’t see the negatives in adding him to the set of forwards. Almost a replacement for Greenwood.
I think this points to other signings coming in that will cost big money. I’m guessing Casemiro is more possible than others believe but to go from being linked to wide players for 40m plus to a loan signing screams funds being suddenly spent elsewhere
 
He might be better under a manager who plays attacking football though. Chelsea is a graveyard for attackers under Tuchel, you could sell anyone of your forwards and nobody would bat an eyelid.
After City, we dominate the ball and spend more time attacking than anyone in the league statistically I think. So I don’t know where this myth that we somehow don't play attacking football comes form.
 
I think this points to other signings coming in that will cost big money. I’m guessing Casemiro is more possible than others believe but to go from being linked to wide players for 40m plus to a loan signing screams funds being suddenly spent elsewhere

You could be right.

Possibly the club looking at not wasting money on the wrong fit but acknowledging we are short in that area.

Would be sensible
 
After City, we dominate the ball and spend more time attacking than anyone in the league statistically I think. So I don’t know where this myth that we somehow don't play attacking football comes form.
Yeah but not through your attackers. It’s a defensive block that utilises your wingbacks very well but your forward line is an after thought.
Name one forward you think has consistently played well under Tuchel and hasn’t drastically fallen away
 
We need to be targeting Premier League players, preferably without CL football this season. I think Pulisic is a decent signing, he's an upgrade on our central mids currently but that's setting the bar very low. I think he's gettable despite the fact he will miss out on CL football playing more minutes in the league will be valuable for him.
He’s a winger mate not a CM
 
Would be good. Hed have a nice 3 game run before a big injury which isnt bad.
 
I’m not a fan of loaning players from domestic rivals especially when they can’t play against that parent club for obvious reasons. Also chances are if the player does well then 1) they will probably want to keep him next season & 2) would want us to pay over the odds for him knowing how probably desperately we will want to sign him permanently.
 
After City, we dominate the ball and spend more time attacking than anyone in the league statistically I think. So I don’t know where this myth that we somehow don't play attacking football comes form.

I think you are third in basically every attack-related metric last season (except where indicated):

Goals scored, xG, npxG (4th), final third passes, passes into the penalty area, total key passes, progressive passes, total progressive passing distance, xA (4th), progressive carries, carries into the final third (2nd), carries into the penalty area.

City and Liverpool are predictably first or second for most of those categories. Spurs usually 4th.
 
Yeah but not through your attackers. It’s a defensive block that utilises your wingbacks very well but your forward line is an after thought.
Name one forward you think has consistently played well under Tuchel and hasn’t drastically fallen away
That says much more about the individual players than it does Tuchel and his philosophy. As we saw this past weekend against Spurs (and last season up until injuries screwed us) our play is all about dominating possession, relentless high press, and wingbacks bombing forward to become extra attackers. Players like Lukaku or Werner who struggle to control a football isn’t Tuchel’s fault. Or players like Ziyech and Pulisic who get bullied constantly because they’re so slight.

What you guys did under Ole was defensive football. Sit in a low block and counter attack. We are nothing like that.
 
Not better or worse than our current options in attack and won't add much of quality.

His only value coming here is to bolster the numbers..
 
I’m not a fan of loaning players from domestic rivals especially when they can’t play against that parent club for obvious reasons. Also chances are if the player does well then 1) they will probably want to keep him next season & 2) would want us to pay over the odds for him knowing how probably desperately we will want to sign him permanently.
I thought the rules have changed and they’re allowed to play against their parent club in the league now.
 
After City, we dominate the ball and spend more time attacking than anyone in the league statistically I think. So I don’t know where this myth that we somehow don't play attacking football comes form.

That threat comes mostly from the wing backs. All your attacking players (Mount, Havertz, Werner, Pulisic, CHO, Ziyech etc.) are painfully average at any stat you care to look at.

I wouldn't really say Pulisic is a bad player because he looks bad under Tuchel.
 
After City, we dominate the ball and spend more time attacking than anyone in the league statistically I think. So I don’t know where this myth that we somehow don't play attacking football comes form.
Yeah but not through your attackers. It’s a defensive block that utilises your wingbacks very well but your forward line is an after thought.
Name one forward you think has consistently played well under Tuchel and hasn’t drastically fallen away
I think you are third in basically every attack-related metric last season (except where indicated):

Goals scored, xG, npxG (4th), final third passes, passes into the penalty area, total key passes, progressive passes, total progressive passing distance, xA (4th), progressive carries, carries into the final third (2nd), carries into the penalty area.

City and Liverpool are predictably first or second for most of those categories. Spurs usually 4th.

Good points.

Chelsea rely on their full backs and it is true every attacking outlet has flopped dismally in recent years.
 
That says much more about the individual players than it does Tuchel and his philosophy. As we saw this past weekend against Spurs (and last season up until injuries screwed us) our play is all about dominating possession, relentless high press, and wingbacks bombing forward to become extra attackers. Players like Lukaku or Werner who struggle to control a football isn’t Tuchel’s fault. Or players like Ziyech and Pulisic who get bullied constantly because they’re so slight.

What you guys did under Ole was defensive football. Sit in a low block and counter attack. We are nothing like that.
I think you dominate through midfield and outside but it’s possession that doesn’t centre around the oppositions box.
I also say dominate but you haven’t consistently played well in 22 at all so it’s not as if it’s this set, unbreakable game plan. You need more width and all that so what happens? You go out looking for WB after WB. That’s because it’s where your managers focus is, there’s a reason why it’s a joke that your fans have about Tuchel fantasising about playing all your side attackers back there.
Imo when your attackers leave Chelsea you will see new life in them