Christian Pulisic | Signed by Chelsea

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I was just posting something ridiculous continuing in the same vain as your post. We're not gonna get two 70m RWs in the same summer.

Throw Martial into the equation and it's possible.

Willian gets the starting spot, and Pulisic covers for the RW, LW and attacking midfielder roles.
 
Unless the RW we sign is Bale, no other player feasibly available in that position is gonna get us close to the title. But signing Pulisic does increase the odds of us having a fantastic player in a couple of years. Signing Willian is neither here nor there, nor does it get us much close to our present goals, neither does it brighten our future prospects much.

Whichever right winger we sign won’t be the guy to get us close to the title, Sanchez, Lukaku and Pogba will be the guys who get us close to the title. The right winger we sign needs to help us get the best out of those 3, he needs to give us width to create space in the middle and put in dangerous deliveries to create goal scoring chances.

We already have world class players who aren’t playing to their potential, we don’t have to sign another world class player to improve we just need to get our current world class players to play better
 
Both sensible posts.

People here don't want to part with 60m for Maguire but happy to pay 70m for Pulisic...

Crazy
1. Pulisic is an exciting young player with great potential
2. Our attack is shite
3. People get more excited by signing attacking players

Not crazy really
 
Because one has potential to become world class and the other doesn't?

Exactly. And one is an exciting young winger who will get bums off seats and the other is a big oil tanker of a defender who has a big feckin head
 
Lol one game, he is shockingly inconsistent. Simply isn't ready for the Premiership never mind the cauldron of United.
Yeah right. If Spurs bought him you'd have your hand down your pants whilst telling us all what an amazing signing it was
 
1. Pulisic is an exciting young player with great potential
2. Our attack is shite
3. People get more excited by signing attacking players

Not crazy really

Depay was young and exciting, failed. Martial is young and exciting, didn't fail but seems to be on his way. You then have Rashford who is young and exciting but doesn't get to start a good run of games. If it is Woodward pushing Pulisic you just know what Jose will do if he is signed.
 
Agree that it's too early for him to move though.
 
Whichever right winger we sign won’t be the guy to get us close to the title, Sanchez, Lukaku and Pogba will be the guys who get us close to the title. The right winger we sign needs to help us get the best out of those 3, he needs to give us width to create space in the middle and put in dangerous deliveries to create goal scoring chances.

We already have world class players who aren’t playing to their potential, we don’t have to sign another world class player to improve we just need to get our current world class players to play better
We need a player who can engage players, something Sanchez was supposed to do but so far hasn't. We need someone who can draw opposing midfielders towards him, hence disrupting the shape of the opposing defense. Willian is no Beckham who'll be able to consistently ping crosses with accuracy, as I said he's neither here nor there.
 
Because one has potential to become world class and the other doesn't?

Maguire has just performed on the highest level and is also consistent in the PL. Not sure where you're going with that..

1. Pulisic is an exciting young player with great potential
2. Our attack is shite
3. People get more excited by signing attacking players

Not crazy really

Don't disagree with 1,2 or 3.

It's just crazy that people are against spending an appropriate amount on Maguire, when you consider what VVD and Stones went for, yet are happy paying well over the odds for Pulisic.
 
Lol one game, he is shockingly inconsistent. Simply isn't ready for the Premiership never mind the cauldron of United.

I'm pretty sure he's played more than one game...

He is a quality operator. Unless you watch him week in week out how do you know how he even plays let alone his consistency levels. Dortmund fans rate him as their best player and carried their struggling side at such a young age. I would take their opinion over ours because that would be a rational thing to do.

The lad has only just turned 19 for goodness sakes and he's already comfortable in a top European league. He has the world ahead of him and is not shy of hard work. Most importantly he's a huge United fan and that is all the counts :cool:
 
I like him, but that's a fecking pre season match.
So? He hasn't been playing games for the past 2 years at the highest level? He hasn't been Dortmund's best player in the biggest domestic games? He hasn't scored and assisted in the CL?
Those Liverpool players he played against are gonna get worse, since it's pre-season? Progression applies only in a linear fashion for other teams and players?


 
Maguire has just performed on the highest level and is also consistent in the PL. Not sure where you're going with that..
Consistent is not the first word that should be associated with a world class footballer (which he isn't, at the moment). Pulisic is easily amongst the most talented teenagers in the world with sky-high potential. It's normal to spend tons of money on talented youngsters, less so — on good middle-aged defenders.

By the way I'm not saying that we should by Pulisic, as you can see, I don't think that he's ready yet, but it's the opposite of crazy to prefer spending 70 millions on him rather than on Maguire.
 
So? He hasn't been playing games for the past 2 years at the highest level? He hasn't been Dortmund's best player in the biggest domestic games? He hasn't scored and assisted in the CL?
Those Liverpool players he played against are gonna get worse, since it's pre-season? Progression applies only in a linear fashion for other teams and players?



and yet, he's still not good enough and is still overrated. I like the kid, but he's not at the level to play for us week in week out yet. It's fairly simple. You posted a video of a pre season game, they're utterly utterly meaningless.
 
Maguire has just performed on the highest level and is also consistent in the PL. Not sure where you're going with that..



Don't disagree with 1,2 or 3.

It's just crazy that people are against spending an appropriate amount on Maguire, when you consider what VVD and Stones went for, yet are happy paying well over the odds for Pulisic.

For the record, I'm not one of those people against signing Maguire; however, I don't think 70M is the "appropriate amount" when there are quality alternatives available on the market for that amount or less.
If we're going all in to sign a central defender, then Bonucci, Alderweireld, and Marquinhos would all supplant Maguire on the wishlist.

Pulisic would be an exciting young talent who would fill a gaping need at RW or RM as opposed to Willian, Rebic, or Perisic (who aren't exactly several levels ahead of Christian).
 
Yeah right. If Spurs bought him you'd have your hand down your pants whilst telling us all what an amazing signing it was

Why do yo think that? I've said exactly the same thing on the spurs forums, he isn't ready. For marketing purposes he would be brilliant but he wouldn't set the league alight. He is a quality prospect but for the money he won't make a massive impact in the PL right away.
 
For the record, I'm not one of those people against signing Maguire; however, I don't think 70M is the "appropriate amount" when there are quality alternatives available on the market for that amount or less.
If we're going all in to sign a central defender, then Bonucci, Alderweireld, and Marquinhos would all supplant Maguire on the wishlist.

Pulisic would be an exciting young talent who would fill a gaping need at RW or RM as opposed to Willian, Rebic, or Perisic (who aren't exactly several levels ahead of Christian).

Where is this 70m figure for Maguire coming from? I've seen 60..

Anyway Maguire instantly improves us, not sure Pulisic does right now.

If Martial goes I'm all for it but right now we don't need any more potentially good forwards, we need someone ready to deliver.
 
I'm pretty sure he's played more than one game...

He is a quality operator. Unless you watch him week in week out how do you know how he even plays let alone his consistency levels. Dortmund fans rate him as their best player and carried their struggling side at such a young age. I would take their opinion over ours because that would be a rational thing to do.

The lad has only just turned 19 for goodness sakes and he's already comfortable in a top European league. He has the world ahead of him and is not shy of hard work. Most importantly he's a huge United fan and that is all the counts :cool:

I agree with most of what you say and I do watch a good bit of him, he has load of potential but he isn't ready for the premiership. He hasn't carried Dortmund, who on earth said that?
 
Where is this 70m figure for Maguire coming from? I've seen 60..

Anyway Maguire instantly improves us, not sure Pulisic does right now.

If Martial goes I'm all for it but right now we don't need any more potentially good forwards, we need someone ready to deliver.

Chief, I believe that it's 65m, so between you two you are about right.:)
 
Where is this 70m figure for Maguire coming from? I've seen 60..

Anyway Maguire instantly improves us, not sure Pulisic does right now.

If Martial goes I'm all for it but right now we don't need any more potentially good forwards, we need someone ready to deliver.

Just give it time; I'm sure journos would love to add 10M each time a new headline comes out.

Point is I have Maguire below those defenders mentioned above; personally, I'd take Marquinhos as my preference of the bunch.

All signs point to Martial leaving the club sooner than later; if he can be used as a makeweight for Pulisic (£15M + Martial) then absolutely pull the trigger.
 
and yet, he's still not good enough and is still overrated. I like the kid, but he's not at the level to play for us week in week out yet. It's fairly simple. You posted a video of a pre season game, they're utterly utterly meaningless.

If we're talking levels, there's quite a few players that are not good enough to be playing for us week in, week out currently, yet, they will. Herrera, Martial, Valencia, Luke Shaw, Fellaini. Using that stupid logic, pre-season and whatnot, regardless of the fact that he's been playing at the highest level for more than 2 years, what should United do with what we have? Play with 8 players?

Same argument could have been made about Sane not being ready for the League, yet, where is he now and what has he achieved?
 
If we're talking levels, there's quite a few players that are not good enough to be playing for us week in, week out currently, yet, they will. Herrera, Martial, Valencia, Luke Shaw, Fellaini. Using that stupid logic, pre-season and whatnot, regardless of the fact that he's been playing at the highest level for more than 2 years, what should United do with what we have? Play with 8 players?

Same argument could have been made about Sane not being ready for the League, yet, where is he now and what has he achieved?
What we should do, is buy players that will immediately improve our first team. Pulisic, will not. I don't even know why I'm arguing, there has been no links to him for United at all. He isn't coming here.
 
We need a player who can engage players, something Sanchez was supposed to do but so far hasn't. We need someone who can draw opposing midfielders towards him, hence disrupting the shape of the opposing defense. Willian is no Beckham who'll be able to consistently ping crosses with accuracy, as I said he's neither here nor there.

Sanchez likes to drift into the middle and play quick passes and penetrate like that, the issue is almost all our players like to come into the no 10 area so it’s easy for our opposition to play compact and shut out all attacks through the middle. We have no threat on the wings so the opposition don’t have to worry about defending wide.

It wouldn’t take Beckham or Ronaldo to help solve this issue, any player who is comfortable hugging the touchline and being denagrous wide and up the pitch will force the opposition to spread wider and hence create space in the middle. It’s a similar situation to Lukaku, when he replaced Ibra we went from a striker who liked to drop deep into the no 10 area (even more congestion) to a striker who was a huge threat in behind and hence our opposition had to back off and couldn’t compress as much. This showed with most of our attacking players - Martial, Rashford, Lingard, Pogba etc all doubling their goals/assists stats from the season before. We scored like 20 more goals in the league even though Lukaku himself scored less goals than Ibra did in the league. It’s that effect we need not necessarily for Willian or whoever to be a dangerous threat
 

Someone tell that jocksniffer that suggestion wouldn't be out of the realm of reasonable logic even if one might disagree

Edit: is anyone even carrying the story or did he make it up to have a rage?
 
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I agree with most of what you say and I do watch a good bit of him, he has load of potential but he isn't ready for the premiership. He hasn't carried Dortmund, who on earth said that?

Was watching a fox news piece about him that was aired at the end of last season I believe. where they interviewed fans after games and the theme was he was the "bright spark" of their season of mediocrity. I think there is enough that he has shown already at this age with maturity and attitude to go along with the skill rather than a precocious talent who downs tools when things are not going right for them or believes their own hype and thinks they deserve special treatment. Pulisic played 44 games last season which is surprising for such a young prospect.

At this age, I don't expect WC performances week in week out or even very good ones because even the best have less than stellar performances weeks at a time. Worth a punt methinks. If he gets even better his price will just be even more bed wetting than it is now.
 
So? He hasn't been playing games for the past 2 years at the highest level? He hasn't been Dortmund's best player in the biggest domestic games? He hasn't scored and assisted in the CL?
Those Liverpool players he played against are gonna get worse, since it's pre-season? Progression applies only in a linear fashion for other teams and players?




Which big matches for Dortmund has he been bringing the house down in?
 
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