I can see us being interested. He would be a good backup for us. He would also be a half decent main man for Liverpool, so he may choose them.
Christian Benteke | BBC: Liverpool Agree £32.5m Fee
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Stats aren't always bad. That's how we know that Shearer was the best striker in premiership era. The fact is what do people want from a striker? In the premiership era according to ...(sorry) a stat, since 2012 he's been a good goalscorer. People saying he's not that and people saying he is this or that...it's all just opinion but Benteke is a stereotypical United player and I think some people are probably a little snobbish.
What are we saying? At 24/25 he's the finished article? We cannot develop a player? What are we saying? Is the problem the fee? Cause the fee is water off a ducks back. Maybe there are better options out there. Who knows? But the fact is some people seem to talk about him like Villa are a long ball team and he can't control a ball without falling over....
What goes for Rooney would go for any striker. LVG wants Rooney up top. Fewer touches and more goals. So what is the point of someone highly technical when it seems LVG don't even want that? Maybe we can develop the player even further by giving him those instructions. Pose problems to the defenders and be ready to spin in behind. He wouldn't have to drop deep with the players we have.
What are we saying? At 24/25 he's the finished article? We cannot develop a player? What are we saying? Is the problem the fee? Cause the fee is water off a ducks back. Maybe there are better options out there. Who knows? But the fact is some people seem to talk about him like Villa are a long ball team and he can't control a ball without falling over....
What goes for Rooney would go for any striker. LVG wants Rooney up top. Fewer touches and more goals. So what is the point of someone highly technical when it seems LVG don't even want that? Maybe we can develop the player even further by giving him those instructions. Pose problems to the defenders and be ready to spin in behind. He wouldn't have to drop deep with the players we have.
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No, there's no one absolute determining factor even though they have different "weights" (with goalscoring being the most important for a striker). It's the "overall contribution" that matters when comparing players/strikers/forwards. And of course what the need of the hour is. The idea that "everyone offers everything and they're own in their own unique way". Suarez could score 5 less goals than Benteke but he'd still be twice the player because of his creativity.
If this IS happening, anyone else see him as a Mario Gomez in the 2010 Bayern team type of player? Similar skillset and age when he moved to Bayern as Benteke is now.
Right so you think by using stats your quoting facts, you are aware that stats usually mean very little and can infact be used to make whatever point you want to make (ie 90% of stats are bollocks, there's a fact for you). If you need facts to rate a player than I feel sorry for you as you are unable to make your own opinions which is genuinely a shame. I also love the FACT that I never said I watch him every week but in fact told you that I am a huge fan of football and the premier league and have been for years and that I watch as many games as possible which includes villa. I can now clearly see that I've wasted my time on some statistician that has never actually watched Benteke play and now suddenly thinks he's Utd quality.
I only used goals though.
Why dont you take a step back, responding to every single one of my posts on here (even those that have nothing to do with our argument - if you can call it that) just makes you look like a..
Sometimes you have to know when to call it quits.
I kind of gave you a hint, you compare the attributes and decide which player suit the most your team, the goal records are interesting but they depends a lot on how his team play and how teams play against them. I'm not saying that we should ignore them but not make them the base of the comparison.
For example teams do not sit back against Aston Villa, Benteke has a lot more space than Lewandowski.
Alright mate when your backs against the wall throw in the towel, fair enough if you can't think of a proper response
No, we know Shearer has the most premier league goals. That isn't the same thing as being the best striker...
Benteke is sometimes great, sometimes useless. For 32m pounds/45m euros, surely we can find better?
Shearer in his pomp was top drawer and again it's all opinion. Shearer should have joined United or another big club. That was a big mistake.
He is an ok premiership striker.
he isnt worth 32 million quid, and I honestly cannot see the club being interested in him.
liverpool maybe, as he has been heavily linked for ages.
he isnt worth 32 million quid, and I honestly cannot see the club being interested in him.
liverpool maybe, as he has been heavily linked for ages.
Of course, but for me Henry, Van N and if you count him Ronaldo were better.
I don't really want to throw Suarez into the mix, but we probably should.
Why not just sign Mario Gomez?
Let's not underrate him!
Ings is an "Ok" premier league striker, someone who can hold their own, and score a few goals.
Benteke has had spells absolutely ripping it up.
Just like many, I feel you need a better class, more mobile striker.
He was a top player no doubt about that, but it's not because of his goalscoring stats. For example Defoe has more goals than Yorke, but is he better than Yorke?
In terms of scoring goals, Shearer was the best. The players you list were/are all fantastic. I wouldn't include Ronaldo, I would include Cole though who developed his overall game at the club and became a well rounded player by the time he left
Because he is gash
Id have him easily over Cavani thats for sure.
Why?
I know but the point for me is that general play is irrelevant. That's why I don't understand why LVG has completely written off Hernandez as he has shown he can score goals in the premiership but you got to think, maybe he wants a stronger player through the middle? Or perhaps we will bring in one of those names we've been linked too. Yorke was a highly technical player but to be honest, I didn't appriciate that when he was at Villa. So it just goes to show how you apply yourself counts and the improvements people look for can happen overnight
If we keep Di Maria, we have Depay, Herrera, Mata, Bastian..so much quality through the center. We've not had anyone to bully defenders for a long time. LVG might look at certain qualities and think he can develop them. We just don't know.
Too expensive to be a back up but not good enough to displace or move Rooney elsewhere either. Saw someone else mention it, but we could do with a Remy type signing. Cheap, not bothered about being on the bench who's capable of doing a decent job when given the opportunity. In some ways, I think we'd be better off just keeping Hernandez.
Who knew that Benteke had such rabid fanboys on the Caf? Learn something new every day.
£32M to occupy a role we already have Fellaini for, and nowhere near good enough to replace Rooney as the #1 which should be a priority over the next year or so.
£32M to occupy a role we already have Fellaini for, and nowhere near good enough to replace Rooney as the #1 which should be a priority over the next year or so.
That's why it was good to see Fellaini up front last season - he's a nightmare to play against because of his physicality & someone of Benteke's ilk will be extremely welcome. Plus he has many other qualities - not least his heading abilities in front of goal; something we've lacked from our forwards for some time now.
Yes,but that is why he wasnt compared to a player who averages double digits assists, there aren't many strikers you can compare to Suarez, in terms of creativity and goalscoring ability.
Berbatov is more technical than Benteke - that fact has already been established, his technique was one of the reasons why he was able to score a lot of goals for a sluggish player, it however didnt significantly improve his ability to assist or deliver key passes as those still remained relatively low - of course when you watch him play little things like his ability to dictate the pace of a game, draw in defenders etc come into play but did those abilities really warrant the price tag he commanded if we're being honest? because as i mentioned earlier, every player brings something to the table, so what Benteke (being the topic in question) lacks in technique he covers up in other aspects of the game - the secondary attributes, ultimately- goals and maybe assists aswell as shots,chances created etc are perhaps the most important things to judge strikers on and comparing both players side by side there's really not much separating the two in terms of stats, and when you take stats out of the equation, those secondary attributes which you only see when you watch the players are really not quantifiable - and they tend to differ with player.
Unless you are trying to say technique is the best secondary attribute a player can have, then i suppose you're right.
LVG wants to win the league, our strikers scored 30 goals between the four of them, two have since left, bollox to a cheap option who can do a decent job, we need a top striker to contribute a sackful of goals.
I don't think Benteke is a bad player. Not at all, actually. But 32 million quid? That's very close to Cavani money. And Benteke is very far from a Cavani player.
That said, i don't know what our options are, who's available and all that.
That said, i don't know what our options are, who's available and all that.
You explained very well your position, and unfortunately there isn't a chance in hell that we agree, general play is crucial, IMO.
When you look at Benteke goal scoring stats, you see that he is 15-16 goals a season in the league when he is the focal point of Aston Villa attacks, that number doesn't correspond to the 32m£, unless he brings a lot more than goals and I think he does his general play his good and like you said he knows how to bully defenders while being technically potent.
What role is Fellaini occupying? Benteke is more than just a lump who you lob the ball up to. Not saying he'd be the best striking option but I'd have him over Fellaini every day of the week.
£32m , way too much and I dont think good enough.
That's the thing, he can do what Fellaini does but upfront. He is better technically, he is faster, his movement are better. But 32m£ is way too much.
I have to admit DMC, that i'm warming to the idea of signing him. I think he can step up to our level & he's always been a pain in the arse against us over the last few years - something that would benefit us against our rivals.
Yes, this is a perfectly good example its also the same for the different leagues as well, as the EPL is one of the toughest leagues in the world for strikers, for example, Lacazette scored 27 in 31 last season and he is HIGHLY RATED on here and most of the people rating him are basing this on clips and stats, without actually watching him play but they are in turn criticising Benteke for not being as good as him, completely ignoring the fact that they play in different leagues - people also do this with every other highly rated striker in Europe.
Unless it changes with every player?
How much did we pay for Fellaini again?
I put it a different way in another response. He's not clumsy. The value of a player is all relative. You try convincing a Villa fan he's not worth the money. Most probably wouldn't want to sell him. However, at a club like United? Benteke has caused our defense problems in the past. He would be worth the money to Liverpool because he would do well there providing the service is good. At United, who knows? That's the nature of transfers. We just don't know. Most people would have had a wank over Veron. Didn't quite work out. Most would have had one over Di Maria.
Too much, 27m.
32m doesn't seem like a bad price in comparison.
You are right, 32m is too much for United and what he would bring to us, but for other teams he worth a lot of money and probably close to 32m.
I wanted to respond to this. It's true Villa may get more space. However, it's all relative because Munich have more quality in the final third. So while there is perhaps more space for Benteke he's playing with inferior players and the service will not be up to the level Lewandowski gets. Lewandowski is better but it's still relevent I think.
I'd rather we sign Benteke, than sign Cavani & lose Di Maria in the deal..
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