Chicharito Loan Watch | Real Madrid

I didn't say we'd miss him/his linkup play.

I just completely disagreed with the idea that he's no good at linkup play. At times last season it was better than Welbeck's.
I don't think he's ever been better at passing than Welbeck, but regardless of that he's not got the quality for us to be a starter and it's obvious he isn't happy as a sub so he should leave. We have youngsters coming through our own ranks anyways that can fill the gap.
 
I don't think he's ever been better at passing than Welbeck, but regardless of that he's not got the quality for us to be a starter and it's obvious he isn't happy as a sub so he should leave. We have youngsters coming through our own ranks anyways that can fill the gap.

To be honest it was just a few one off performances last season where Hernandez' linkup was decent and Welbeck's wasnt so much. So it was more down to Welbeck than Hernandez suddenly having world class linkup play or something.

I do agree its best for both parties longterm if Hernandez can find a move this summer.
 
I really want him to succeed and find his form, but unfortunately he has been quite consistently poor for some time now. Lost his Mexico starting place too. I think he will be sold, if not now, then in January.
 
To be honest it was just a few one off performances last season where Hernandez' linkup was decent and Welbeck's wasnt so much. So it was more down to Welbeck than Hernandez suddenly having world class linkup play or something.

I do agree its best for both parties longterm if Hernandez can find a move this summer.
Indeed, I think he would do amazing in Spain or Italy to be honest which would be much better for his career than sub appearances for us. I do wish he would be happy with a super sub role though, oh well :P
 
Indeed, I think he would do amazing in Spain or Italy to be honest which would be much better for his career than sub appearances for us. I do wish he would be happy with a super sub role though, oh well :P

Valencia were a team very heavily linked with him before we signed him. Ever since then he's continued to be linked with them. I think he'd be a good signing for them to help Alcacer replace Soldado's goals

I mean they tried to do it with Helder Postiga last summer, he scored 3 league goals and was sent out on loan for the 2nd half of last season. I think Hernandez would be near perfect as Alcacer has that bit of linkup play to drop behind him
 
I'd be happy for him to go to the right club.

Best thing for everyone IMO.
 
I really want him to succeed and find his form, but unfortunately he has been quite consistently poor for some time now. Lost his Mexico starting place too. I think he will be sold, if not now, then in January.

I'd accept he was 'consistently poor' if he was playing week in, week out, and not delivering.

For example, he was excellent against Villa, so 'consistently poor' is inaccurate imo. He's been consistently overlooked, and that makes a difference to a player's form.

I fail to see how anyone can judge a player who hasn't been given a decent run.
 
I'd accept he was 'consistently poor' if he was playing week in, week out, and not delivering.

For example, he was excellent against Villa, so 'consistently poor' is inaccurate imo. He's been consistently overlooked, and that makes a difference to a player's form.

I fail to see how anyone can judge a player who hasn't been given a decent run.

I understand. Let's just say every time he was given a chance he has not impressed. Which justifies not picking him in the next game.
 
I understand. Let's just say every time he was given a chance he has not impressed. Which justifies not picking him in the next game.

You see, I find it hard to agree with someone who says 'every time' when there was definitely more than one time when he did well - notably Aston Villa, and notably several sub. performances when the posts on here were saying how we looked more like scoring after he came on.

And once again - how do you impress, especially as a striker, when your confidence is low, and your selection erratic.
 
Honestly speaking, I'd play Hernandez and RVP every game. In front of Mata.

The last time we played him regularly, he got us our 19th League Title and drove us to a Champions League final. His goalscoring record for us is immense, 60+ goals and besides his first season, he has never been a regular starter. Baffling.

His talent is truly wasted here. I hate to say it but I don't think we deserve him. He's better off elsewhere. Personally the day we sell him will be worse than the day we sell Ronaldo (for me, not the club). Not many people here may know this but Chicharito is my absolute favourite player and it kills me that he never got the chances to become a true United great. Cause I know he would fulfil that potential. Just like Ronaldo did.

If we DO sell him, I'd settle for no less than £25 million. If Borini was going for £14m... Then I see no reason why we should be mugged off by selling a proven goalscorer who would easily get 20 goals a season if played regularly. Hopefully then he would get a move to Atletico or somewhere. Hell, Real Madrid might even take him. He sells a lot of shirts and would be a brilliant backup and rival striker to Benzema.
 
Honestly speaking, I'd play Hernandez and RVP every game. In front of Mata.

The last time we played him regularly, he got us our 19th League Title and drove us to a Champions League final. His goalscoring record for us is immense, 60+ goals and besides his first season, he has never been a regular starter. Baffling.

His talent is truly wasted here. I hate to say it but I don't think we deserve him. He's better off elsewhere. Personally the day we sell him will be worse than the day we sell Ronaldo (for me, not the club). Not many people here may know this but Chicharito is my absolute favourite player and it kills me that he never got the chances to become a true United great. Cause I know he would fulfil that potential. Just like Ronaldo did.

If we DO sell him, I'd settle for no less than £25 million. If Borini was going for £14m... Then I see no reason why we should be mugged off by selling a proven goalscorer who would easily get 20 goals a season if played regularly. Hopefully then he would get a move to Atletico or somewhere. Hell, Real Madrid might even take him. He sells a lot of shirts and would be a brilliant backup and rival striker to Benzema.
I don't think I'd play him ahead of Mata, but I'd certainly play him with Mata - he'd be lethal with JM giving him decent service.
 
I don't think I'd play him ahead of Mata, but I'd certainly play him with Mata - he'd be lethal with JM giving him decent service.
I meant Mata behind the two. Mata and Hernandez looked the most deadly combination of the 4 strikers IMO. The linkup play with them, Kagawa, Januzaj and Nani in the Villa game (I think) last season was great. Hernandez makes the runs Mata dreams of.
 
Lol, sorry! I did find it a bit bizarre that you wouldn't play them together. :)
 
Honestly speaking, I'd play Hernandez and RVP every game. In front of Mata.

The last time we played him regularly, he got us our 19th League Title and drove us to a Champions League final. His goalscoring record for us is immense, 60+ goals and besides his first season, he has never been a regular starter. Baffling.

His talent is truly wasted here. I hate to say it but I don't think we deserve him. He's better off elsewhere. Personally the day we sell him will be worse than the day we sell Ronaldo (for me, not the club). Not many people here may know this but Chicharito is my absolute favourite player and it kills me that he never got the chances to become a true United great. Cause I know he would fulfil that potential. Just like Ronaldo did.

If we DO sell him, I'd settle for no less than £25 million. If Borini was going for £14m... Then I see no reason why we should be mugged off by selling a proven goalscorer who would easily get 20 goals a season if played regularly. Hopefully then he would get a move to Atletico or somewhere. Hell, Real Madrid might even take him. He sells a lot of shirts and would be a brilliant backup and rival striker to Benzema.

For my money his game outside the box is not good enough to be a first choice striker at united. Far too often counter attacks break down on his pass, or when he drops deep to collect the ball he makes a pass that interrupts the flow of the move.

It's why he's so much better as a sub, invariably when he comes on all he needs to do is get a goal. But when you start you need to be able to influence a game more broadly and be involved in wearing down a team. Tactics and your ability to implement them matter more when you start a game than when you are an impact player.


Sadly his game outside goal scoring is also not improving. He's basically the same player that we saw in his first season.

I'd like to keep him because he such good backup and because if a chance falls to him close to goal he's as good as anyone, but I don't see how he merits a first choice place.
 
For my money his game outside the box is not good enough to be a first choice striker at united. Far too often counter attacks break down on his pass, or when he drops deep to collect the ball he makes a pass that interrupts the flow of the move.

It's why he's so much better as a sub, invariably when he comes on all he needs to do is get a goal. But when you start you need to be able to influence a game more broadly and be involved in wearing down a team. Tactics and your ability to implement them matter more when you start a game than when you are an impact player.


Sadly his game outside goal scoring is also not improving. He's basically the same player that we saw in his first season.

I'd like to keep him because he such good backup and because if a chance falls to him close to goal he's as good as anyone, but I don't see how he merits a first choice place.

He merited it in his first season, and didn't let anyone down.

I heard all the same kind of stuff about Ole, when he was mainly used as a sub. Then look what happened when he finally got to play with Ruud - they ended the season as the highest scoring partnership since the 50s, and Ole also became a regular first choice on the right wing.
 
For my money his game outside the box is not good enough to be a first choice striker at united. Far too often counter attacks break down on his pass, or when he drops deep to collect the ball he makes a pass that interrupts the flow of the move.

It's why he's so much better as a sub, invariably when he comes on all he needs to do is get a goal. But when you start you need to be able to influence a game more broadly and be involved in wearing down a team. Tactics and your ability to implement them matter more when you start a game than when you are an impact player.


Sadly his game outside goal scoring is also not improving. He's basically the same player that we saw in his first season.

I'd like to keep him because he such good backup and because if a chance falls to him close to goal he's as good as anyone, but I don't see how he merits a first choice place.
Too many people say this. I haven't seen any evidence of it whatsoever. Chicharito has a good lot of assists to his name and his link up with Mata, Kagawa and Januzaj is the way United SHOULD be playing. But ultimately the big "names" get on ahead of him. Even when they're not up to the task (an injured Rooney against Bayern after Chicharito scored that week immediately comes to mind.)

When Rooney missed that glorious opportunity, all I could do was scream. Cause Chicharito should have been on that pitch. Not Rooney and his grazed fecking toes.
 
For me it's simple: he needs to be happy as a sub, or leave. There should be no shame in that. He is an impact player. That's where he brings the most to the team, and he should make his peace with that.

Also, he's not getting younger and if we're honest he already looks slightly slower than when we signed him. I remember the last world cup he absolutely terrified defences because if they played a high line you'd never catch him with a ball over the top. He no longer seems to be able to pull away from defences.

His game has/will become all about anticipation and finishing. Nothing wrong with that. But he's not suddenly going to be about hold up play, or pinging assists or through balls. He's a specialist, and should be used as such, and should be happy with that.
 
So show me these well rounded performances? Assumptions? You said he's not just a goal poacher. I've asked proof from you and all you seem to be repeating is I am making assumptions yet all I want is to be reminded of good performances Hernandez has put in when he's not played as the poacher.

in this game his link up play was pretty good. played part in welbeck's goal which was ruled offside. later an assist for cleverley



good performance v chelsea:



decent link up play v qpr:



decent assist for RVP goal:



decent skill v Liverpool

the best examples are in the chelsea and west ham compilations and there are more that i remember viewing some time ago but havent found them on youtube yet. my key point here is that hernandez has shown throughout his United career he can be more than a goal poacher. That doesn mean i think he's a playmaker but at the same time, i do think he can offer more than simply scoring goals. that's more like darren bent. I just think he needs more game time to have the confidence to express these aspects of his game more regularly.
 
With Rooney and RvP being pretty much nailed on to play in front of Mata, his chances will again be limited and we have Welbeck in the ranks too, not to mention upcoming talent from academy like Wilson. Though I have absolutely loved Chicharito's time with us for his goals and his professionalism, from his personal career point of view, staying on will not be so good. He can regain some good goal-scoring form in a system where he is focal point. He can fit well in Atletico I reckon but with Mandzukic, his first team chances will probably be again limited.
 
Too many people say this. I haven't seen any evidence of it whatsoever. Chicharito has a good lot of assists to his name and his link up with Mata, Kagawa and Januzaj is the way United SHOULD be playing.

We each have our take on what constitutes good enough, and for me he's not, but plainly thats a matter of opinion. I can only go from my own frustrations when watching him.

When Rooney missed that glorious opportunity, all I could do was scream. Cause Chicharito should have been on that pitch. Not Rooney and his grazed fecking toes.

Not sure that has any bearing. Rooney was injured and only played because Moyes was too scared to drop him, which neither Fergie nor LVG are likely to worry about. Besides, as I said, if you measure it solely on their ability to finish in the 6 yard box, Hernandez is as good as anyone. But over the course of a season Rooney will contribute far more to the team than Hernandez will.
 
He merited it in his first season, and didn't let anyone down.

I heard all the same kind of stuff about Ole, when he was mainly used as a sub. Then look what happened when he finally got to play with Ruud - they ended the season as the highest scoring partnership since the 50s, and Ole also became a regular first choice on the right wing.

Odd comparison - Ole spent much of his career as first choice backup for United, and the two times he was proper first choice was when we first bought him, and after Yorke/Cole/Sheringham had all gone crap or left. Sure he had spells where he got into the first team. He also filled in in other positions when needed. But there were only a few periods in his career when he was truly a first choice striker and that was normally when the competition was less strong.

If Hernandez stays his entire career I dont doubt he'll have spells in the first team, probably a few outstanding seasons. But United has always had incredible strength in striking positions, and I dont see that Hernandez is such a good player as to be forcing Europe's elite strikers onto the bench.
 
I doubt that LvG would be eager to sell Chicha, however, if the latter insists, he will get his move. While I do agree with those, who believe that both Chicha and Kags will not be regular starters in the team, I can see LvG using both of them frequently. Both are very well suited for counter-attacking football, and a manager as flexible and creative as King Louis, will hardly stick to one formation or tactic throughout a very difficult season in EPL.
 
In the current LVG formation, Hernandez is more likely to get minutes than in either of SAF and Moyes teams.

IMO Attack is still a strong area of the team, with Midfield-slight improvement from last season, and Defense-big decline from last season. So it would be a tad foolish to let Hernandez go on the cheap, and in doing so weaken the attack.
 
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Odd comparison - Ole spent much of his career as first choice backup for United, and the two times he was proper first choice was when we first bought him, and after Yorke/Cole/Sheringham had all gone crap or left. Sure he had spells where he got into the first team. He also filled in in other positions when needed. But there were only a few periods in his career when he was truly a first choice striker and that was normally when the competition was less strong.

If Hernandez stays his entire career I dont doubt he'll have spells in the first team, probably a few outstanding seasons. But United has always had incredible strength in striking positions, and I dont see that Hernandez is such a good player as to be forcing Europe's elite strikers onto the bench.

Ole was more or less an automatic first team choice until injury took him out of the game. He was part of the team that, imo, played some of the best football we've ever seen from them, with fantastic movement from the front players including the midfield. It was a time when the 'sexy football' label was attached to them.

I spent much of Ole's career bemoaning the fact that he wasn't getting his chance. If it had continued like that, I wouldn't be remembering it otherwise!

And by the same token, I can remember how many Caf posters insisted that Ole was only any good off the bench. Then Fergie started playing him regularly and those posters changed their minds.

Ole, like Chico, showed he had it in his very first season with us, but was then relegated to a bit part, yet a player like Veron was lauded right from the off, despite the fact that he never showed us anything in first season or after. I think that sometimes people just believe what they're told to believe. :)
 
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Selling Chicha would be stupid, imo. He's a great striker, being overlooked and undervalued. He already prove what he can do, given the opportunities.
 
I'd prefer him to start matches over Welbeck, especially in our new formation. He'd cause absolute havoc for the for the defence. His fall from grace has been strange to say the least. In his first season, he relegated Berbaflop to the bench and was one of the main reasons why we reached the CL final. Then from then he's never been first choice player, even before we signed RVP.
 
I call him the ghost 1. You either believe in him or you don't 2. He just appears in the box seemingly from nowhere. He should play more , he really should. Last season he could have made an impact.
 
I'd prefer him to start matches over Welbeck, especially in our new formation. He'd cause absolute havoc for the for the defence. His fall from grace has been strange to say the least. In his first season, he relegated Berbaflop to the bench and was one of the main reasons why we reached the CL final. Then from then he's never been first choice player, even before we signed RVP.

I think part of why he ended up starting so often in his first season was because him and Rooney worked so well together. Hernandez is natural poacher and goalscorer, while Rooney was in the form of life (later in that season) in behind the striker in a more creative role. It was an excellent partnership.

Not that him and RVP are incapable of working together of course, but RVP's much more of an out and out striker than Rooney in many ways, and he's more likely to displace someone like Hernandez rather than play alongside him.
 
His pace and runs in this system could make him ideal for Mata and Herrera to feed in, hope he starts tonight.
 
Thought he did well tonight after coming on. Stretched the play, did a couple of decent lay offs and put in two really good crosses - probably better than anything produced by Valencia, Young or Nani from the right hand side tonight. Its just a pity we couldn't play him because you can always guarantee goals from Hernandez. Interesting too that Van Gaal has played him twice despite him linking up with the tour late, and Van Gaal actually saying he's not as fit as the rest of the group yet. I think the predictions about the end of Hernandez's Old Trafford career may be proved to have been a bit premature.
 
Atletico confirming they are talking with Hernandez and hope he will be signed before the window closes.
 
I'd want at least £15million. Any other club would ask for over £20million but we always seem to undervalue the players we sell.