Chicharito Loan Watch | Real Madrid

redevil2 said:
Well you had better learn not to be so bitchy going round the circle. Alright?!
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No man, there's nothing bitchy in my comment. You won't get that from me, because this is Internet and there's all sorts of people who are here just to fill their daily dose of social interacting. You were 'sighing' 'loling' and showed lack of respect pretty much in every post, so if anyone is going bitchy and spinning around circles, it's you bud.
Sum summare: Hernandez had great game, didn't change the game.
 
Ling said:
No man, there's nothing bitchy in my comment. You won't get that from me, because this is Internet and there's all sorts of people who are here just to fill their daily dose of social interacting. You were 'sighing' 'loling' and showed lack of respect pretty much in every post, so if anyone is going bitchy and spinning around circles, it's you bud.
Sum summare: Hernandez had great game, didn't change the game.
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Well you're wrong. Admit it. END OF DISCUSSION! Move on.
 
Slightly coming to accept he will leave us now and even if he does i am excited and hoping rather than buying a new striker we can promote Wilson who I feel could be a good replacement and also we have Angelo Henriquez who I keep forgetting about here too,

Chico still is one of my favourite players for his positivity but it's obvious that little bright shining light he had about him is slowly starting to dimmer, he need's and deserves to be playing football every week and I don't think we can offer him that anymore,

Idea scenario would be him going to Atletico and Simeone continuing to nurture his talent rather than to Inter where the world slowly forgets about him,

What's a decent price for him ? I would want at least 18-22 mil considering the market these days.
 
Prefer to sell Welbeck over him. If LVG can use and manage him as SAF did, He should stay and I'd be inclined to think he would want to to stay as well
 
Bestie07 said:
This is a world where Ross McCormack is going to move for £10m. We will be getting over £15m for Hernandez if he is sold.
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Hernandez is a foreign player so his price won't be inflated and he's lost value since barely playing for Utd and losing his starting place for Mexico. Wherever he goes I hope he finds some happiness and joy to play
 
kouroux said:
Hernandez is a foreign player so his price won't be inflated and he's lost value since barely playing for Utd and losing his starting place for Mexico. Wherever he goes I hope he finds some happiness and joy to play
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If he goes for a low fee, it will probably be because the club allowed him to join a club of his choice, but if we started a bidding war for him, there will be plenty of clubs lining up for his services. The guy will score 20 goals a season easily for most teams.
 
I'm sadly resigned to the inevitable. Javier, thank you for all the great memories. That insane back header v Stoke will not soon be forgotten.
 
I dont think we need more than 3 strikers in RVP, Rooney and Welbeck. Most likely, we will play with only 1 out and out striker and another one hanging deeper. But for that position we have plenty of other options. As Hernandez is 4th choice, it is best for all parties that he leaves and get his career back on track
 
Bestie07 said:
This is a world where Ross McCormack is going to move for £10m. We will be getting over £15m for Hernandez if he is sold.
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You cannot measure transfers like that. McCormack will probably be on half what Hernandez earns which is probably around £7m over the typical length of contract in savings.

It's all over the same - because Carroll was sold for £35m does not mean another player instantly becomes more valuable. It just means someone has paid over the odds.
 
It would be sad to see him, he's such a lovable character, but i think it needs to be done not only we are overflowing in terms of squad players, secondly he's the least technically gifted from all of our strikers and keeping him will mean Wilson won't be getting much time, and he can't play on the either side of 4-3-3 unlike welbeck , he can only play as a striker. So for his own good its better that he goes, in the ideal world we would wish we get offers for bebe , young , anderson and get rid of them first but its going to be Nani , Hernandez and cleverley which are going to attract plenty of suitors and the others are going to be difficult to offload.
 
We always sell our players cheap, if it was Daniel Levy i am sure he would have sold him for 20 million or something, and above all we are not in a financial difficulty that we have to sell first to make purchases so we can hold out for more, and i am confident there will be a bidding war for him i can see plenty of teams wanting him.
 
Escobar said:
I dont think we need more than 3 strikers in RVP, Rooney and Welbeck. Most likely, we will play with only 1 out and out striker and another one hanging deeper. But for that position we have plenty of other options. As Hernandez is 4th choice, it is best for all parties that he leaves and get his career back on track
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I get your point, however this is assuming that RVP stays injury free and Welbeck finds his shooting boots. Hernandez didn't have much of a midfield unit putting through balls for him or even a decent supply from the wingers last season. Welbecks ability to tackle high up the pitch suited the "Moyes" way of playing.

What I like about him is the fact that he makes space for himself and still has that strikers instinct in a crowded box. How LVG wishes to set up his side (always seems to be a fluid dynamic depending on the situation and state of the game ) leads me to believe that there is a place for him.
 
Matador8 said:
Woody got 3.5m rising to 5m for the sale of Alex Buttner. David Gill would've probably sold him for a pint of beer and a bag of peanuts.
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Dynamo actually paid money for Buttner?
 
Chicharito is a player we can surely afford to play hardball with in terms of demanding a good price.

Moyes handled him very badly last season but I see no reason why he cant get games next season, he isnt going to be first choice but he can come on and "do a Hunetlaar", to use a recent example. Let's face it, if you have 20 minutes left and you need a goal he is a better bet than Welbeck.

We should hold out for an offer that equates to his actual value or just keep him IMO. There are players we should just be looking to shift because they have outlived their usefulness, Chicharito isnt one of them.
 
Adebesi said:
Chicharito is a player we can surely afford to play hardball with in terms of demanding a good price.
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The club has a good name as far Ethics go, I can't imagine them hard balling the club over a few mil for the sake of Hernandez who has been a loyal player and an example here during his time, I'd imagine we'd not want to make it awkward for him.
 
Matador8 said:
Ah ok, fair enough. Just because he's foreign doesn't mean his value should be any lower though imo. He's a goalscorer and i think quite a lot of teams would bite your hand off for 20mil.
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We have always been a poor selling club. The buying club knows we are selling a player we don't need. That reduces the value substansially.

How much did Berbatov go for?. and when was the last time we made a profit on a player sale except for Ronaldo?? I am just curious... I would be surprised if he goes for above 10m.

If clubs are indeed fighting over him for 20million, we would have received bids by now.
 
AngeloHenriquez said:
The club has a good name as far Ethics go, I can't imagine them hard balling the club over a few mil for the sake of Hernandez who has been a loyal player and an example here during his time, I'd imagine we'd not want to make it awkward for him.
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I dont think its so much a question of ethics.

Rooney wanted to go, we said no. Ronaldo wanted to go, we said no (for a while). Didnt Nani hand in transfer requests at some point? I may be wrong about that. The point is he is under contract, we dont have to sell him, there is nothing unethical about keeping him if we do so because we think he is useful and plan to use him, even if it is off the bench. Letting him rot like Moyes did, that would be wrong, if Van Gaal doesnt see a bigger role for him than that then yes, by all means we should sell him - his value isnt going to increase under those circumstances anyway. What Im saying is he can be an important player for us as an option off the bench, if he is used that way effectively his value may will increase, and even if it doesnt, if he bags us some late and important goals then he is worth his wages.
 
Adebesi said:
I dont think its so much a question of ethics.

Rooney wanted to go, we said no. Ronaldo wanted to go, we said no (for a while). Didn't Nani hand in transfer requests at some point? I may be wrong about that. The point is he is under contract, we don't have to sell him, there is nothing unethical about keeping him if we do so because we think he is useful and plan to use him, even if it is off the bench. Letting him rot like Moyes did, that would be wrong, if Van Gaal doesn't see a bigger role for him than that then yes, by all means we should sell him - his value isn't going to increase under those circumstances anyway. What I'm saying is he can be an important player for us as an option off the bench, if he is used that way effectively his value may will increase, and even if it doesn't, if he bags us some late and important goals then he is worth his wages.
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Rooney & Nani are different, they both had a thought for staying, but CR is an example of someone who wanted out yes, but someone we were reluctant to loose. Hernandez wouldn't hurt us too much at all, in XI or depth unfortunately, and for that reason, combined with the fact he's kept his head down, I'd imagine we'd help fulfil his wish of being able to play 1st eam football rather than letting him rot for a year over a few million a la Chelsea/ City.

I suppose we see it differently, I rate him, I really do, but with 1 striker and Rooney, RVP and Welbeck all ahead of him, Cavani being linked constantly with the likes of Keane and a few youngsters pushing, no I don't see a need for him unfortunately.
 
AngeloHenriquez said:
Rooney & Nani are different, they both had a thought for staying, but CR is an example of someone who wanted out yes, but someone we were reluctant to loose. Hernandez wouldn't hurt us too much at all, in XI or depth unfortunately, and for that reason, combined with the fact he's kept his head down, I'd imagine we'd help fulfil his wish of being able to play 1st eam football rather than letting him rot for a year over a few million a la Chelsea/ City.

I suppose we see it differently, I rate him, I really do, but with 1 striker and Rooney, RVP and Welbeck all ahead of him, Cavani being linked constantly with the likes of Keane and a few youngsters pushing, no I don't see a need for him unfortunately.
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OK just to be clear, that is precisely what I am not advocating.

In my eyes being a backup striker who gets used is not being left to rot. (So it all depends on Van Gaal's willingness to use him, admittedly).

If someone really believes he can come in and be their first choice striker and score them a lot of goals, let them pay the going rate. As someone said above, we get taken to the cleaners on this too often.

But that last point also suggests that if we are talking about what will happen rather than what should happen, you are probably right and me wrong. (In terms of what should do, of course, there is no right and wrong, as you say we just see it differently.)
 
AngeloHenriquez said:
Agreed... will be interesting, there's a few of these "maybe" cases in Jones, Nani, Kagawa (Jones in a CB role I mean)
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Yes, all of those are players I would like to see van Gaal sprinkle some of his Magic Dutch Dust onto, Ill be sad to see the back of Nani, Kagawa or Chicharito until I have seen them labour under his tutelage for half a season at least, and preferably longer. In some ways actually Chicharito is the one Id be least sad to see the back of, of the three. The other two are like lottery tickets, Im not saying things will suddenly improve by any means, but I feel there is a chance and the prize is great enough that we owe it to ourselves to at least wait and see what numbers come up.

Chicharito is a different case because he almost certainly - as much as anyone can be certain about anything at the moment - isnt going to be in our first team plans. The other two conceivably could.
 
bleedred said:
We have always been a poor selling club. The buying club knows we are selling a player we don't need. That reduces the value substansially.

How much did Berbatov go for?. and when was the last time we made a profit on a player sale except for Ronaldo?? I am just curious... I would be surprised if he goes for above 10m.

If clubs are indeed fighting over him for 20million, we would have received bids by now.
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That's true enough. In Berbatov's case, wasn't he on his last year of his contract?. I see no reason why we should sell players like Chicharito on the cheap. He's still got a good chunk of his contract remaining and he's still a very good player. If a club comes in for him they'll have to pay a fair whack imo. Rumour has it that Spurs have already lined up an 18m bid. Which seems a fair price to me.
 
I find it hard to believe that chicharito's future will be decided based on what happens on this tour, i think he's as good as gone.
 
Someone said:
I find it hard to believe that chicharito's future will be decided based on what happens on this tour, i think he's as good as gone.
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What makes you say that? Louis Van Gaal won't care what David Moyes thought of our squad and its clear Giggsy likes Chico as he brought him back from the wilderness when he was caretaker manager.

Ultimately players who get sold will be players Van Gaal thinks won't suit his philosophy. Before Van Gaal took over at Bayern who would've thought Toni would leave before Olic? If Van Gaal is saying I'm going to assess everyone, he means it. Chico will get his chance. Its up to him to take it.
 
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