The most interesting bit about that tweet was that Tatiana character saying "Vidal is trash we don't want Africans playing in this team."
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The most interesting bit about that tweet was that Tatiana character saying "Vidal is trash we don't want Africans playing in this team."
Because i don't think it's fair to evaluate his importance based on what happens on the tour, he hasn't been playing regularly for the club or his country for a year now, so if he's rusty we sell him and if he scores few goals he stays?!
I'd like to think the tour is a good time to evaluate the youth players, but when it comes to players like hernandez, nani and young etc, you either give them a fair shot, at least half a season, or you look at their overall contribution at the club and make a decision based on that. It doesn't wash with me at all that you can make a decision on someone's future at the club based on what happens on the tour, because we know from experience that players could have a great preseason then a shit season, to really evaluate a player you need to see him playing in competitive games over a long period of time, and i really believe van gaal has already made up his mind about who's leaving.
Van Gaal is that way though. He will want to see signs the players in the squad can buy into his philosophy over the coming weeks. Scoring goals, to some extent, is incidental. Toni scored a lot of goals but he didn't fit Van Gaal's philosophy. I don't think Van Gaal will pick up a stats sheet and say wow Chicharito has a high goals per game record I'll keep him. He'll look at Hernandez, and everyone else, in training and make a judgement about whether he, and they, can play the Van Gaal way. If the boss sees signs Hernandez can adapt to Louis Van Gaal then he will keep him, and the same is true on the flip side.
Really makes me wonder if Chicha has joined because of his profile in the US with the Mexican community. Januzaj who played significantly less has not been rushed to join the squad.
Hernandez isn't being rushed back. Mexico went out of the World Cup on June 29th, the round before Belgium did. He's returning to the squad after a three and a bit week break, pretty much on schedule.
So by that then we should expect Januzaj and Fellaini to join up in a few days then - lets see.
So the others are not going to join - even though they only finished a few days later and Januzaj was hardly used.
One of the blog posts on ESPN FC made a comment about how the stands in the Rose Bowl were filled with people wearing Chicha shirts. Perhaps cynic in me but, I strongly believe one of the leading reasons he's been asked to join up because of his popularity in the country. We did it with Kagawa last year - where he came back early to play against his old club and then some what disappeared after that. Am sure LVG will want to run the rule over him but, same could be said about Januzaj and Fellaini yet they are not (as of yet) joining after their 3 and a bit week break.
if we do play 3-5-2 regularly, needless to say it would be unwise to lose him.
Not without Koke or Gabi coming back.
Now that we're playing 3-5-2, Hernandez should get a fair bit of playing time.
Based on that article, Van Gaal didn't even want him to go on tour so he probably would've gotten almost no playing time regardless of what formation we play. Plus, I doubt Hernandez would be happy sitting on the bench for the majority of time. Atlético sounds perfect for him. He would be a starter in a top league for a club who are guaranteed to be in CL (as long as Simeone's there) and even seriously challenge for trophies like last season.
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He wouldn't be a starter. I expect Mandzukic to be the starter as their lone striker.
I don't think he'd play that much in the 352 either. Mata has Kagawa as his back up in the #10.
I'd imagine Januzaj would be pushed further forward ala Robben.
So, Rooney, Welbeck, Januzaj, RvP and Hernandez. Plus, Nani, Zaha and Young will likely be included as forwards as maybe only Young can play wingback out of them. We'd struggle to sell Young, Nani or zaha I think too due to wages.
Hernandez would be an easy sale.
I'd imagine Januzaj would be pushed further forward ala Robben.
So, Rooney, Welbeck, Januzaj, RvP and Hernandez. Plus, Nani, Zaha and Young will likely be included as forwards as maybe only Young can play wingback out of them. We'd struggle to sell Young, Nani or zaha I think too due to wages.
Hernandez would be an easy sale.
Simeone has been playing with two strikers since early 2012 if I remember correctly, and I don't think he'll change that considering the amount of success his side has had in the past 18 months. I think Hernandez will be a foil for Mandzukic in the same way Costa was for Falcao and Villa was for Costa.
Did he come on today ?
I still feel more confident when I see Hernandez's name on the team sheet than I do Welbeck's.
simeone likes to play with two strikers.....
Not really. You need to watch the games.
It depended on opposition. And Villa or Costa would move to the wings at times. Costa did it a lot when Falcao was there.
Hernandez is not versatile enough to fit in a system that Simeone wants.
yes but you're acting like simeone doesnt use two strikers in his system.
i'm not sure what you're talking about in terms of versatility. Temporarily shifting out to wide channels isn't something special for a forward to do nor that difficult.
Did you read what I said? In some games it wasn't temporary.
So you think shifting Inzaghi or RVN on the left wing is something they could do? Because Hernandez is a poacher and I doubt he'd be able to play on the wing. And besides they just signed Griezmann to replace Villa.
First of all villa and griezmann couldn be more different.
Secondly, you state Hernandez is simply a poacher so if we continue on this vein we're not going to see eye to eye here.
Thirdly, managers make adjustments. They wont always use players in the same type of way every season especially with incomings and outgoings.
Fourth, you're not getting the point. You're talking about a wide role whereas i'm talking about a phase in play which was common in Atletico's play. From time to time, you would see Costa shift to wide channel. The same thing happened with Villa, Adrian and sometimes Garcia. Although Simeone liked to use Garcia to win aerial balls and dovetail with Costa.
I think Hernandez has regressed recently. I think he is trying to do too much, he is getting involved in the build up but it just isn't his game. Personally I think he's at his best when he plays on the last man like Destro was against us. Just stay up front and work the last man, don't worry about coming deep.
Hernandez is not a poacher? What is he then? Playmaker? We definitely not seeing eye to eye. Don't tell me he's a left winger. Are you from Mexico by any chance? Because everyone from Mexico seems to overrate his footballing abilities yet he couldn't get in their team at the World Cup and they didn't miss him.
Adrian barely played last season.
And Griezmann will play the same role as Villa did last season. He'd play as a foil off Mandzukic and also shift on the left when needed. Note the key word here. Versatility and he has it to fit in a Simeone system.
No. I'm not from mexico. You're just making weird assumptions. The fact you say "Don't tell me he's a left winger" sums it all up for me.
Adrian still played in key games though (i.e. v Chelsea in CL semi). We werent discussing how often players played but how they were used.
How exactly do you know Griezmann will play same role as Villa? Isn't this just another assumption? "a Simeone system"? What do you mean by this? If Atletico buys Hernandez, wouldn it be weird to buy a player that Simeone would deem (according to your view) not fit for his system especially considering their finances?
You still haven't told me what Hernandez is. You argued that he wasn't simply a poacher, which is stupid in itself. His lack of technical abilities are there to be seen. I am still waiting.
So where do you think Griezmann will play? They not going to pay big money just to sit him on the bench. And he won't be used in the 4-4-2 as a left midfielder because he doesn't track back a lot. So he'd either play off Manduzkic in a 4-4-2 or when they switch to a 4-5-1 then he'd be moved to the left wing like Villa was.
I'm not really sure where Griezmann will play. Most likely as a wide forward but we'll have to wait and see.
hernandez in his time at United has shown he can be more than a goal poacher. however, last season, he really struggled to get game time and in doing so, you can lose a sense of match sharpness to display the work you've done in training. Also, his off the ball movement is very helpful in moving the opposition unless they are already in a low block (backline on or below the 18 yard box). So although you feel he has a lack of technical abilities, I think he's shown enough improvement. The issue is he needs more game time which he isn't really going to get at United with Rooney and van Persie and in turn, we've seen his inconsistent performances with his overall play. He had some good well-rounded performances in his third season but once again wasn't able to build on these performances mainly due to where he is on the pecking order.
He still can't provide good link up play after being here for 4 years, if he want's to go I won't miss him.
Where has he shown he can be more than a goal poacher?
I can't believe people are arguing against that he is a goal poacher like being a poacher is a bad thing.
I just said in some of his well-rounded performances. You're making another weird assumption.
So show me these well rounded performances? Assumptions? You said he's not just a goal poacher. I've asked proof from you and all you seem to be repeating is I am making assumptions yet all I want is to be reminded of good performances Hernandez has put in when he's not played as the poacher.
Well i'm in the office so I'll pull up some compilations for you later to better demonstrate.
Yes assumptions like this "I can't believe people are arguing against that he is a goal poacher like being a poacher is a bad thing." It adds nothing to what you're saying so I'm not sure why you're saying it in the first place.
Also you shouldn say the word proof. An example isnt necessarily proof. Just an example. You still have your interpretation at the end of the day.
Yea, I think he was critized for being only a poacher and since then, he has been trying to improve his all round game(which he has), but because of this he seemed to have lost his predatory instinct in front of goal. In the past 5 months, I have seeen Hernandez miss many sitters that he would normally not miss. Confidence could be a factor, but recently he does not look like a clinical finisher anymore.
Yep, could be confidence and a lack of sharpness due to not being first choice for Club or Country anymore. I'd like to keep him as a squad player but I'd be surprised if he didn't want to seek a fresh start somewhere else this summer. I hope we hold out for a decent price for him though.
Like a few others in the squad, it's probably the right time for him to move on.
I disagree. He can provide good linkup play, just usually with a little less technical quality than the likes of RVP, Rooney and Welbeck. He's improved in that area a lot
You've just backed up my argument lol, he's the last in the pecking order when it comes to our forwards so he won't be missed. It's not like we lack goals from RVP/Rooney.
I didn't say we'd miss him/his linkup play.
I just completely disagreed with the idea that he's no good at linkup play. At times last season it was better than Welbeck's.