Id keep him. With Falcao gone he'll get his chances.
Chicharito Loan Watch | Real Madrid
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I'd love to see the little pea stay.
We'll be playing for four trophies next season. Injuries and suspensions happen. If Javier wants to remain a United man, let him remain a United man.
We'll be playing for four trophies next season. Injuries and suspensions happen. If Javier wants to remain a United man, let him remain a United man.
His contract expires next summer? In that case unless he agrees to a new contract, I don't think we'll keep him.
I'm not sure he will stay. I don't recall anu Van Gaal teams that had his type of striker (a poacher or something similar) in the side. The closest was probably Luca Toni and he didn't get on too well with him. Van Gaal likes his strikers to contribute more than just goals, he says that all the time and to be quite frank, its hard to imagine Chicharito bringing anything else to the table aside from just* goals.
*As crazy as that sounds.
*As crazy as that sounds.
Indeed very well taken goal.
agreed and he will get in Wilson's way......
poor loan for him really - had he gone somewhere like Sociedad he would have got proper game time
Moyes can take him off our hands. He will do well for Sociedad.
Valencia's bottom right, with white boots.
Fantastic goal, he's never scored one like that for us.
If he is happy to sit on the bench and come on as a super sub in the last 10 minutes in games where we need a goal then keep him. If not get rid.
He has no place in the squad anymore, the same with Nani. Van Gaal wants more from a striker than just goals and Hernandez does not fit the bill. I don't know what he was thinking going to Madrid, he should have gone to a club that would have started him every week.
Although this wouldn't explain RvP in the lineup for much of the year.
Be generally on form RVP does offer more than goals, he has a much better overall skill set than Hernandez apart from pace. This year both have not been in good form for their clubs, only its clear RVP will still be with us after the summer (maybe in a reduced role imo) whilst Hernandez will not. Its like what Amethyst said on the podcast, RVP can play the Sherringham role for us. Hernandez has shown he does not want to be the super sub anymore. Besides, he will get in the way of Wilson's development.
Yeah my only concern with RvP is he is 31, isn't getting any better and is not likely to contribute more than 25 or so appearances in a year, which is not reliable. Whereas Rooney has consistently averaged in the 40s over the past decade. Hernandez may or may not move on, but if he returned he would almost certainly be 2nd behind Rooney if RvP and Falcao left.
For El Tri he showed that good movement up high. If van Gaal's system keeps working the ball around quickly, he may get back to his best if they keep him.
I don't think he would, he was woeful last year (as was pretty much everyone bar De Gea) he was missing chances he would have scored the year before. Just because Falcao and RVP have had bad seasons, doesn't necessarily mean when he comes back all of a sudden he is in LVG's plans. He can barely get a game for Madrid at the moment for the same reasons he barely got one under us.
Yeah but not getting a game for Madrid isn't exactly a sign of underperformance. He is probably happier there because of cultural and linguistic side of things and the luster of playing for Madrid, but that's not to say he wouldn't be effective in a one striker setup under Van Gaal (if Rooney was injured), with the likes of Mata, Herrera, Depay, Fellaini playing behind him.
LVG's style might help Hernandez's game. I think Hernandez has probably messed up but RVP and Falcao have made it more interesting for any perspective forward.
I don't know why you put Depay in there, he's not our player
If anything, that just makes Hernandez look worse. I don't like how he can be all rosey with it under Ferguson and then be stroppy about it under Moyes, not the best attitude. So I stand by what I said, his future with us is out the door in the summer.
I don't know why you put Depay in there, he's not our player
If anything, that just makes Hernandez look worse. I don't like how he can be all rosey with it under Ferguson and then be stroppy about it under Moyes, not the best attitude. So I stand by what I said, his future with us is out the door in the summer.
I'm looking at potential formations for next year. Its clear Fergie had faith in him and I wouldn't put it past Van Gaal to give him a chance as well.
Well he's on loan, so Van Gaal doesn't see a future for him nor does he trust him. You could also have been more clear, you didn't mention anything about potential formations when you mentioned Depay's name.
Has nothing to do with Van Gaal not seeing a future for him. We had a glut of strikers with RvP and Falcao which hasn't really worked out for us, so its quite conceivable that one or two of them might leave at some point, thereby leaving a path for Hernandez to return instead of buying yet another striker. That would also allow funds to be applied elsewhere.
Having a poacher (not that he can't do anything else) is never a bad option on your bench. He's still a fantastic box striker.
No, I disagree. I think there's a much higher chance that we will not sign Falcao and instead buy a player who can play in the middle and on the wing (like Depay for example) so that Hernandez again will not fit in to our plans. We will still have funds for other areas.
he scores goals and when united showed some movement in past yrs is when he thrived. i'd only sell him if the offer is 20m. think about strikers in the prem and what they'd cost. benteke , berahino , et al are they any better? and the lacazette's of the world what would they cost and would they be better?
He's never been worth 20 million you're fooling yourself if you think any club would be willing to pay that, and well Berahino offers a hell of a lot more than him and has had a better season. Benteke, although not the best striker and suffering second season syndrome offers more. Lacazette is miles better than Hernandez, there's no competition.
we all said the same about falcao didn't we? he's a proven prem goal scorer. they others have never had the pressure of playing at a club like united week in and week out. so again IMO the player outweighs the cost of selling him.
Your first point, no one said he offered more than Hernandez. Everyone knew that falcao's main thing was his goal threat. It was a surprise to many when he had his first few games for us about how good at assisting he was.
So what if he's a proven goal scorer, he was rubbish last season and there's a reason he's on loan, he's not in LVGs plans. Benteke scored 20 goals for villa in his debut season, and Berahino has done well for West Brom.
Your third point is also not a good reason to keep Hernandez, people thought Costa was going to flop for similar reasons and he's had a very good season and is already at 20 plus goals. So what if the former two have played in smaller teams, and if Lacazette is in Lyon. They have been better than him for two seasons, and there's no reason that Lacazette and Berahino (the latter is not top four material imo, but at a club like Tottenham or Liverpool he'd shine) they can't make a step up.
Depends if we go lone striker or not next year. If we do, we will need two good strikers and Hernandez is certainly capable of being the 2nd.
Hernandez hasn't been good for two seasons.
That's easily attributable to legitimate reasons - everyone was not good last year and he's been at the best club in Europe where he was never likely to get much playing time this year.
Which is baffling, why is he there if every man and his dog knew he wasn't getting the game he desired. What was the point in trying to prove to LVG that he is worthy of a place in team, by not playing very often and basically having a repeat season of last season? How has he proved to everyone, just because RVP and Falcao have been shit that he is suddenly our 2nd best striker? If anything that's a stupid argument to make, because its counting on two players being shit and complete discounting the fact that Herandez has barely done anything for Madrid to warrant a place in our squad. Face it, his United career is over.
Its not counting on RvP and Falcao underperforming, its counting on them not being here next year which may be a possibility. It is a near certainty in Falcao's situation and you never know with RvP since he's now in his 30s. Deductively, Hernandez would be our next choice as opposed to buying yet another striker to sit on the bench when our prioirties are elsewhere. If we are sticking with one striker, then having a capable backup makes sense. If we are moving to 4-4-2 then obviously everything changes, but that's unlikely.
Last season proved he was no longer a capable back up, he has not improved at all as a player. He was awful, even RVP, Welbeck and Rooney got double figures that season. Hernandez did not. Also it is patently obvious we are not moving towards 4-4-2.
Just because it looks like likely that RVP may leave (he won't, he still has something to offer in the super sub role that Hernandez played) doesn't automatically make Hernandez's career with us rejuvinated again. If he was in our plans, why was he loaned out? Falcao is not a reason for that loan alone, he is not in the future plans of LVG or United.
Last season was a throwaway for most of our players, the manager, and the club at large and can't be used as some sort of bizarre indictment on Hernandez. Obviously if RvP stays all of this is moot and we will have Rooney and RvP as our strikers, which is not a bad tandem to have.
RVP won't be leaving though, he's been crap but still given us 10 goals. I can't see Hernandez offering anything, and I also haven't seen a good reason to keep Hernandez other than "two strikers may be leaving". I think its perfectly reasonable to have last season as a reason, all the other strikers got double figures despite the crappy service and play in general. So again, why keep him? LVG doesn't want him otherwise he wouldn't be on loan, he doesn't want to be here either otherwise he wouldn't be complaining about first team football and bigging up madrid the same way he did us when he was okay with sitting on the bench.
I don't know whether or not he will leave. There certainly isn't much chatter about him going, despite a good number on here (including myself) suggesting its time for us to buy a younger striker, which was before we moved to this new formation with one striker.
This idea that LvG doesn't want him is pure conjecture on your part. We simply had too many players and a couple of them were sent on loan. If we didn't want them they would've surely been sold.
RVP won't leave, Falcao will and we have a young striker in Wilson, we just need someone who can play as a wide and central forward.
Its not conjecture, Falcao didn't join until the end of the window and Hernandez was already on his way by that point. He wanted to leave for first team football, and United clearly felt he wasn't in their plans.
You don't know whether the loan was instigated by Hernandez or whether Van Gaal wanted it. From everything I've read, it was Hernandez that jumped at the chance of a year in Madrid, which would fly directly in the face of this idea that Van Gaal didn't want him or didn't think he was good enough. Falcao could've just been a last minute opportunistic deal to pad our striker choices.