Chicharito Loan Watch | Real Madrid

Sad what's happend to him, he could be fantastic for the right team.

Should be a £15 m striker all day long, but bet we get no way near that for him.
 
Almost every summer, Real loans random players who doesn't add anything special to their squad. Chicharito, Adebayor etc.
 
We don't need any of Dortmund's players, although that shouldn't stop us from selling them Hernandez.
 
Raoul said:
He fit nicely for a number of sides - Dortmund, Monaco, Juventus, Inter, Zenit, Everton etc.
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Dortmund especially because of their counter attacking style. He doesn't fit in patient sides with a lot of build-up play.
 
After disappointing season last year, we messed up with the loan this year too which means we'll probably be happy to get even 10 mil euros for him, which is shame because I thought we could get 20 mil for him just two seasons ago.
 
Strange that he went to Madrid. I mean, it would be hard to say no to them but he clearly isn't good enough for them. Will be interesting to see where he ends up.
 
Amar__ said:
After disappointing season last year, we messed up with the loan this year too which means we'll probably be happy to get even 10 mil euros for him, which is shame because I thought we could get 20 mil for him just two seasons ago.
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We'll get £5 million for him, if that, and be happy. He's shite.
 
ZDwyr said:
Strange that he went to Madrid. I mean, it would be hard to say no to them but he clearly isn't good enough for them. Will be interesting to see where he ends up.
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Being Madrid, the temptation was probably too great, and he probably thought he would impress them enough to become a starter if given the chance. That was obviously never in the cards. He needs to move to another big club where he can play, such as the clubs i listed above.
 
I'd like to see us play him in a few matches just to see if a different environment/break/new players in the team will have freshened things up a bit.

If not then it might be time to move on unfortunately.
 
Wanting a more well-rounded striker is understandable. On the other hand, if we get CL, I don't see why LvG wouldn't be able to get him a good amount of games and get him contributing a la during his good years (AKA every year except the Moyes year).
 
His hold-up play is just not good enough for a top team, he is a great poacher though. I can understand his eager to be a starter for a team coming into his peak, hope it isn't MLS, one of the top 5 teams in Italy would be a good match i think.
 
Snow said:
Yea. 5m would be over the top for a Manchester United/Real Madrid player that averages a goal every ~120 minutes or so.
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He's not a Manchester United/Real Madrid player though, as evidenced by the fact that Manchester United let him bugger off for the season, and Madrid have barely played him.
 
Alex99 said:
He's not a Manchester United/Real Madrid player though, as evidenced by the fact that Manchester United let him bugger off for the season, and Madrid have barely played him.
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He's played for both teams this season. Under contract for Manchester United, at Real Madrid on loan. This isn't Alex99 lala-land where your made up definitions work.
 
Snow said:
He's played for both teams this season. Under contract for Manchester United, at Real Madrid on loan. This isn't Alex99 lala-land where your made up definitions work.
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Ah, pedantry. Yes, he's under contract for United and on loan at Madrid, which technically makes him a player for both clubs. I was referring to the fact that he's clearly not up to the standard to play for either team, but you already know that. The fact is he's barely played any football for the last two seasons as a result of not impressing at two top clubs under 3 different managers. No one is going to fork out a great deal for him, particularly as pretty much everyone who's seen him play knows his overall game is actually pretty poor.

How much do you think he'll go for?
 
Alex99 said:
Ah, pedantry. Yes, he's under contract for United and on loan at Madrid, which technically makes him a player for both clubs. I was referring to the fact that he's clearly not up to the standard to play for either team, but you already know that. The fact is he's barely played any football for the last two seasons as a result of not impressing at two top clubs under 3 different managers. No one is going to fork out a great deal for him, particularly as pretty much everyone who's seen him play knows his overall game is actually pretty poor.

How much do you think he'll go for?
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I thought you were arguing semantics. Came off that way. Up to the standard to start? No. Is he shit? Definitely not.

It's not worth selling him for 5m. Giving him minutes here and there over the course of the season will guarantee the team goals and that is enough to keep him.

Have a look at what strikers have been selling for in the PL. 5 million is Büttner money. Ulloa cost Leicester 8m and they bought him from a Championship club. Ideye 10m, Abel Hernandez 10m, Shane Long 12m, fkn Balotelli 16m and that was a clearout sale. Hernandez should fetch at least 10m. Otherwise don't bother selling him. If the club will put him up for sale the price will of course be lower than if he would just be bid on but still, the bar should be 8 digits.
 
Pentame said:
He'd fit perfectly in Dortmund.
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No he wouldn't.

Dortmund have struggled this year going forward because they've missed Lewandowski's hold up play and his physicality, plus obviously the goals.

Chicharito doesn't offer anything like what Lewandowski does.
 
matherto said:
No he wouldn't.

Dortmund have struggled this year going forward because they've missed Lewandowski's hold up play and his physicality, plus obviously the goals.

Chicharito doesn't offer anything like what Lewandowski does.
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That problem lies in the midfield rather than the striker. Of course, a striker that excels at build-up play would help them a lot, but their midfield has to improve (Mkhitaryan for instance, he has not been good).
 
one340 said:
honestly it was a mistake loaning him out and getting Falcao in here by all parties. Hindsight is 20/20 though
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Spot on. (In hindsight, though)

The positive is that a good man manager will have absolutely zero trouble spinning this in a positive light to Chicharito when (and if) he comes back and we have CL football and plenty of games to go around.
 
Not shit at all. Did well at a world cup and was sensational for us in 2011. Embarrassed Chelsea's defense numerous times and scored so many big goals.

Just not a started for United and no shame in that. If he'd be happy playing super sub and cup games I'd have him back.

Chicharito coming on against tired defenders is devastating.
 
Hernandez wasn't just a first season wonder. He scored crucial goals in 2011/12 and got into double figures, and in 2012/13 he was our 2nd top scorer with nearly 20 goals. Did well for us but it's time to move him on.
 
Everton would be a good move for him. I'd imagine he'd link up well with Lukaku.
 
The amount we get for him doesn't matter, but people who think we're going to be pushing £15-20 million for him are deluding themselves. He's probably worth more than we'll get for him, but that's a different argument:

  1. We always undersell, particularly when moving players on
  2. He'll be in the last year of his contract
  3. He's failed to impress 3 managers at 2 top clubs
  4. Clubs will be relying on him finding from from 3 seasons ago
  5. He's barely played any football for 2 seasons
 
matherto said:
No he wouldn't.

Dortmund have struggled this year going forward because they've missed Lewandowski's hold up play and his physicality, plus obviously the goals.

Chicharito doesn't offer anything like what Lewandowski does.
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Yep very true, would be a terrible fit. Immobile is a poacher type player and he has struggled big time this season.
 
Alex99 said:
The amount we get for him doesn't matter, but people who think we're going to be pushing £15-20 million for him are deluding themselves. He's probably worth more than we'll get for him, but that's a different argument:

  1. We always undersell, particularly when moving players on
  2. He'll be in the last year of his contract
  3. He's failed to impress 3 managers at 2 top clubs
  4. Clubs will be relying on him finding from from 3 seasons ago
  5. He's barely played any football for 2 seasons
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Point 1 and 2 are correct.
Don't agree with point 3.
Point 4 hasn't got anything more to do with the transfer fee than any other transfer. Us buying Di Maria, weren't we relying on the form he had displayed?
Point 5 is on the back of point 1. United wouldn't be underselling if he were playing. It's part of the reason he will be undersold.

Shouldn't get less than 8 figures for him. 10m is underselling. Anything less and you're basically better of not selling him and letting him go on free the year after.
 
All this talk about selling him or not but what if he wants to leave?Maybe its better for us to keep him if we cant get X mil but dont see a point in keeping him if he is strong about leaving us.
 
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