This is one of the annoying things I've noticed on here recently. A few months out of the spotlight and a player either becomes either crap or the messiah. Hernandez isn't good enough to be first choice at United or Madrid but he's still a very good goalscorer with heaps to offer. He is worth a lot more than 10 million and should NOT be looking to move to the f*cking MLS.
Chicharito Loan Watch | Real Madrid
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This is one of the annoying things I've noticed on here recently. A few months out of the spotlight and a player either becomes either crap or the messiah. Hernandez isn't good enough to be first choice at United or Madrid but he's still a very good goalscorer with heaps to offer. He is worth a lot more than 10 million and should NOT be looking to move to the f*cking MLS.
Why would anyone pay over 10m got someone who has barley played in the last two seasons
City are getting over £10m for Nastasic, he's barely played and is considered injury prone, £10m really is nothing these days.
Maybe because the reason he's 'barely played' is because he's been competing with Rooney, RVP, Benzema and Ronaldo for playing time. Presumably the buying team won't have quite that sort of competition, and will be planning to play him quite a lot. In which case he's clearly worth far more than £10m.
Worth £15 million max.
When he first started here he was a breath of fresh air. Buzzing around, very energetic, very passionate and a lot of goals came from this. It was infectious and created a great relationship with Rooney. He wanted to play for the shirt. He was a favorite of mine.
However his head completely dropped when Welbeck was preferred due to his versatility and then RvP signing was the killer. He still got games under Fergie but his play was no longer effective. The line "playing with Chicharito is like playing with 10 men" started there because he accepted what he was with a whimper. That was the time to really fight for his place, if he still couldn't make it at least he can go with his head up. He became lazy and disinterested and frankly that style brought the worst out of him as he didn't even look a goal threat anymore. I don't believe he is a natural finisher actually. He's quite unorthodox, so the moment he started standing still like he was Cantona was the moment his time here was up.
However his head completely dropped when Welbeck was preferred due to his versatility and then RvP signing was the killer. He still got games under Fergie but his play was no longer effective. The line "playing with Chicharito is like playing with 10 men" started there because he accepted what he was with a whimper. That was the time to really fight for his place, if he still couldn't make it at least he can go with his head up. He became lazy and disinterested and frankly that style brought the worst out of him as he didn't even look a goal threat anymore. I don't believe he is a natural finisher actually. He's quite unorthodox, so the moment he started standing still like he was Cantona was the moment his time here was up.
A proven goalscorer at the very highest level. Hitting his peak years soon it would seem, and relies mostly on his brilliant attacking positioning and tactical awareness to score his goals. Any other club, or for that matter if we were to be looking at him as he is now, would probably be looking at a £20-25m fee. Given his lack of playing time, it'd be forgiven to see him go for slightly less, perhaps in the £17-22m mark.
Because he guarantees goals. Not being first choice at Manchester United or Real Madrid doesn't make a player crap. Whichever team signs him will get a 15 goal a season striker.
Are you a bit out of touch with football? Do you have any idea how valuable a consistent goalscorer is to most clubs? The going rate for a 15 goal a season striker is around 25 million the last time I checked. So I really don't get your question.
Not a chance. 8-12m max. He'll be in the last year of his contract, potential buyers will no he has no future with us so they are in the drivers seat. We have to do what's right for the player after all so a cheap deal will be easy + his lack of playing time for 2 years.
Yea I agree with that sentiment. I fail to understand why people are giving him shit here and at the same time there's this neverending jizzfest over Falcao who can't stay fit and isn't really gun-blazing for us. He's been shit last season? So what, everybody else has as well. He won't be a starter for us, no, but I still wouldn't mind keeping him as a super-sub player because he's proved that he's perfect for that role under Fergie, as long as he agrees to that is.
For a side that's lacking pace up front we've done a really strange move getting Falcao in and moving Chicharito on loan, especially when all of our strikers bar Wilson seem to be very alike play-style wise and we could do with a player who's completly not like them.
Not to mention that we could use his magic skills against Chelsea, God how I miss his goals against those cnuts.
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We should look for 20million+. We're still talking young guy here. He did well for the most part at United and he's scored goals for Madrid. He was an idiot for going there and he will suffer because he will have to drop down a level. His personality always better fitted United then Madrid and he shouldn't have forgotten he had once considered quitting the game. When you look at the prices some players are going for, I don't think 20 odd million is that big a deal for any serious club. He'll score goals no problem.
The MLS? You guys are nuts. Look he's not good enough for Madrid but he'd be ace at Swansea, Southampton, Newcastle, Everton or nearly any other club outside the top four. I'd go so far as to say he'd tear it up at Arsenal and Liverpool. The kind of finishing talent he has doesn't come along every day.
I'd rather have him back than spend £40m on Falcao to be honest.
agree on that completely.
If his head was in the right place, I'm sure he'd have scored a few of the chances Falcao has missed.
Feck me there's some scruffy goals in there. And yet somehow his very first goal for Real was an absolute beast.
You got that right.
Arsenal bought the wrong striker from us. I reckon Chico would score for fun if he went there.
Shane long went for 12M remember that, chico is a massive upgrade on long.
The saddest part about this loan move is that James Wilson has appeared more times for United than Hernandez has appeared for Real Madrid this season.
£20 million+ for Hernandez? 
He'll go for £4-10 million, if he doesn't leave on a free after another loan move. He'll be 27-years-old by the time next season starts, and he'll have started fewer than 20 league games since summer 2013 (he'll be lucky to reach 15 the way things are going). Unless he changes what he wants, he's going to struggle to find a club. He thinks he's good enough to be starting for the best, but he's found himself warming the bench at both United and Madrid now.
I'm not convinced he's a 15-goal-a-season striker either. He's a luxury player for top sides, and he's great when he's got a few other attacking players doing all the build-up for him, whilst all he has to concentrate on is getting into the right place to score, but he's always struggled when he's been the main man up front. Given that it's unlikely a top side will take him on, the quality of service is going to decline if he moves. If he's willing to make the step down, he's going to struggle to find a starting place at any of the better clubs in the PL. Chelsea won't touch him, we won't sell to City or Liverpool, and I doubt he'd find himself in the starting 11 too often at Arsenal, Spurs, Everton or Southampton. Although I imagine he'd want CL football still, even if he's not at a club with a decent chance of winning the competition.
If he wants to start regularly and play CL football, he's suddenly looking at a move to somewhere like Turkey, Greece, Russia or Ukraine, or accepting that he'll be at a team that's chasing the final qualification spot in Spain, Italy, France or Germany.
I fully expect him to move, start most of the first 15 or so games but struggle for goals, then end up warming the bench anyway.
He'll go for £4-10 million, if he doesn't leave on a free after another loan move. He'll be 27-years-old by the time next season starts, and he'll have started fewer than 20 league games since summer 2013 (he'll be lucky to reach 15 the way things are going). Unless he changes what he wants, he's going to struggle to find a club. He thinks he's good enough to be starting for the best, but he's found himself warming the bench at both United and Madrid now.
I'm not convinced he's a 15-goal-a-season striker either. He's a luxury player for top sides, and he's great when he's got a few other attacking players doing all the build-up for him, whilst all he has to concentrate on is getting into the right place to score, but he's always struggled when he's been the main man up front. Given that it's unlikely a top side will take him on, the quality of service is going to decline if he moves. If he's willing to make the step down, he's going to struggle to find a starting place at any of the better clubs in the PL. Chelsea won't touch him, we won't sell to City or Liverpool, and I doubt he'd find himself in the starting 11 too often at Arsenal, Spurs, Everton or Southampton. Although I imagine he'd want CL football still, even if he's not at a club with a decent chance of winning the competition.
If he wants to start regularly and play CL football, he's suddenly looking at a move to somewhere like Turkey, Greece, Russia or Ukraine, or accepting that he'll be at a team that's chasing the final qualification spot in Spain, Italy, France or Germany.
I fully expect him to move, start most of the first 15 or so games but struggle for goals, then end up warming the bench anyway.
going to real was never the right decision, like someone said when real came calling then you say yes first and think about your decision later.
Selfishly, I would love to see him score for fun in MLS but I hope he plays for a good side next season where he can start.
Our strikers aren't poachers, and Wenger doesn't play them since he's gone with one Forward up-top.
They need to be able to bring other into play and link-up. Both Giroud and Welbeck can do that, which is something Hernandez simply cannot do.
No way known Wenger would sign him as he's very limited, albeit a quality finisher.
Glad somebody pointed this out, the idea of an attacking player with his limited technical ability thriving in the system Arsenal play is rubbish.
Are you seriously saying he is worth less than Shane fecking Long, 15 to 20 million would be a minimum for a proven goal poacher for a lower league side.£20 million+ for Hernandez?
He'll go for £4-10 million, if he doesn't leave on a free after another loan move. He'll be 27-years-old by the time next season starts, and he'll have started fewer than 20 league games since summer 2013 (he'll be lucky to reach 15 the way things are going). Unless he changes what he wants, he's going to struggle to find a club. He thinks he's good enough to be starting for the best, but he's found himself warming the bench at both United and Madrid now.
I'm not convinced he's a 15-goal-a-season striker either. He's a luxury player for top sides, and he's great when he's got a few other attacking players doing all the build-up for him, whilst all he has to concentrate on is getting into the right place to score, but he's always struggled when he's been the main man up front. Given that it's unlikely a top side will take him on, the quality of service is going to decline if he moves. If he's willing to make the step down, he's going to struggle to find a starting place at any of the better clubs in the PL. Chelsea won't touch him, we won't sell to City or Liverpool, and I doubt he'd find himself in the starting 11 too often at Arsenal, Spurs, Everton or Southampton. Although I imagine he'd want CL football still, even if he's not at a club with a decent chance of winning the competition.
If he wants to start regularly and play CL football, he's suddenly looking at a move to somewhere like Turkey, Greece, Russia or Ukraine, or accepting that he'll be at a team that's chasing the final qualification spot in Spain, Italy, France or Germany.
I fully expect him to move, start most of the first 15 or so games but struggle for goals, then end up warming the bench anyway.
I would be shocked if we got over 10 million for him.
Indeed it is, but never the less I see that sentiment in threads about Hernandez all the time.
Could a lower league side afford to pay that much money?
Hernandez has not played regularly in how many seasons now? Consider what kind of clubs would be interested in a poacher, and what they could potentially afford.
He can get the goals in a team that attack for a major part of the game as he is a poacher. But if you put him in a team that creates 2-3 chances in a game, he will be ineffective. But he is proven as a scorer and 10 million is really too low for someone of his caliber.
Aye, fair enough, I was probably wide of the mark with that assessment.
I feel he could have a good career in Italy. A lot of teams there still play two strikers of which one is often more of a traditional poacher, which is something that would bring the best out of him imo.
Wow we really love to shit on our players here don't we?
I don't understand why some people all of a sudden have decided that Hernandez is completely shit.
He's not completely shit but he's not got what most teams look for in a modern striker. Not strong enough to play with his back to goal and not technical enough to do much good work outside of the box. A bit of a relic really. Can't think of any dedicated poachers playing at a top club and certainly not got the physical attributes that teams from lower down the league look for.
Slightly ironically, he's actually kind of similar to Falcao. Although without the athleticism and strength. That Falcao used to have, anyway.
Would be amazed if we got a big fee. More likely move on for single figures. Could be wrong, of course.
Slightly ironically, he's actually kind of similar to Falcao. Although without the athleticism and strength. That Falcao used to have, anyway.
Would be amazed if we got a big fee. More likely move on for single figures. Could be wrong, of course.
If a PL club signs him for less than £10m they will have got one of the great bargains. He is a quality goalscorer, and a better player than many seem to want to give credit for.
The problem would be his £4m per season salary. The only clubs that could afford that salary along with a £10m+ fee are in the top half of the table. Maybe someone like Newcastle or Spurs may look at him as a solid option; but the likes of Hull, Villa & Crystal Palace wouldn't be able to afford him which limits his options.
Its a shame that people have forgotten so quickly what he used to bring to the team. We could certainly use his energy and movement in our forward line at the moment.
If he does leave we'll get a shit price for him because we always do, but there will be a ton of clubs who would love a player like him. He is still the best finisher on United's books IMO and his movement was always underrated on here. Pretty much guarantees 15 goals a season
If he does leave we'll get a shit price for him because we always do, but there will be a ton of clubs who would love a player like him. He is still the best finisher on United's books IMO and his movement was always underrated on here. Pretty much guarantees 15 goals a season
It was his greatest quality and praised accordingly, surely? Never mind on here, he was constantly singled out by pundits on the telly for having exceptional movement in the box.
Not sure about the best finisher bit. Looked like the heir apparent to Ole early on in his United career but missed an awful lot of easy chances in his last couple of seasons. He's a real confidence player but having struggled, mentally, with setbacks early on in his career (seriously considered giving up football altogether at one point) you have to wonder if he'll ever get that self-belief back after it went sour at United and now Madrid. That's why he wasn't suited to the super-sub role IMO. Should have suited him perfectly but obviously messed with his head to be marginalised like that. When he's not playing full of confidence he can look a really poor player.
Also, if there are a "ton of clubs that would love a player like him" surely even Woody could drum up a decent fee? I suspect he won't be very sought after at all, with a fee that reflects this.
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