Chicharito Loan Watch | Real Madrid

lost his mojo last season, very ordinary showing at World Cup and now looks like he is also looking for a fresh new start.

A real shame as he is a fans a favourite but I also think his heart is no longer in it. Best for all parties that he find himself a new club.
 
Lets face it only reason why he played today is because van Gaal likes to play with two strikers. Seeing as Welbeck is injured and RVP not yet ready there was no other option.
 
Whoever is the "better" player/striker between Hernandez and Welbeck, it's clear that Danny will offer more in the LVG set up (provided he can stay fit).
 
He was another invisible man in the first half, but lets remember how often the rest of our team + Mata, (the focal point of the 3-4-1-2) got the ball up to him and Rooney.. precisely never, Hernandez is a box striker, we've known that for a long timenow, you don't get the ball anywhere near the box of course they'll be dead weight.
Today he was not the main issue though, the black hole of a midfield and Mata going missing in action were both bigger issues as to the final outcome.
 
I hope he is gone before window shuts because a)he is simply not a very good footballer and b) he needs to be playing more often. Sadly even with our state of affairs he is not good enough for us, if he does not score he brings absolutely nothing, I actually thought we were playing with ten men today.

Cash in on him and promote Wilson who will happily sit on the bench but also look a threat when brought on.
 
Needs to move, time to sell before his value just decreases further, give opportunities to Wilson and maybe even zaha if needs be.
 
Chicha is no Henry, so he will not beat a couple of defenders before taking an immaculate shot. As some of the posters above said, he won't do much if he does not get the ball inside of opposition's box. Can see him staying only if our midfield is sorted soon, which is very unlikely.
 
RuudTom83 said:
Hernandez is a poacher...so when he doesn't get any service, he is going to appear anonymous.
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I did say he was just a poacher.

Can't remember who now, but someone was arguing with me on here last month that he wasn't and basing it off a few YouTube videos.

I think one of the few problems with him is that he has lost some speed. And he is now trying to overcomplicate what he does by getting into positions that he shouldn't be getting into.
 
We need to get shot and promote james. Hernandez is not very good and was amazed to see the crap being posted the other day about how much people on here think he's worth. '£20m is an insult for Chica' haha clueless.
 
He has woefully poor control of the ball, to the extent he simply can't run with it. The moment he got played through by Rooney in space and within a couple of touches had lost it was a prime example. He isn't a footballer, he's a poacher, and his actual ability on the ball is worse than mist of our defenders. I'm not sure I've ever known a United player more over rated, particularly outside the club.
 
mufcwarm92 said:
He has woefully poor control of the ball, to the extent he simply can't run with it. The moment he got played through by Rooney in space and within a couple of touches had lost it was a prime example. He isn't a footballer, he's a poacher, and his actual ability on the ball is worse than mist of our defenders. I'm not sure I've ever known a United player more over rated, particularly outside the club.
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I love him to bits but unless you just have him playing on the last man's shoulder with a pair of wingers who penetrate and a midfield playing him in he is not ideal for our setup. He wasn't great yesterday and I really felt for him. He had a couple of really nice moments away from goal but struggled I thought in general.
 
He was woeful, and I really like the guy. To me, part of the problem is that he doesn't play well with Rooney at all, and I'm unsure as to why. Yesterday, Hernandez went on several good runs, but either our other attackers didn't run into the space he created or tried the through pass. Either way, he fits in poorly the way we played.
 
Rossa said:
He was woeful, and I really like the guy. To me, part of the problem is that he doesn't play well with Rooney at all, and I'm unsure as to why. Yesterday, Hernandez went on several good runs, but either our other attackers didn't run into the space he created or tried the through pass. Either way, he fits in poorly the way we played.
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When they are both no9's they don't play well together. When Rooney is the designated free role 10 they are great together.
 
Red Phoenix Rising said:
I love him to bits but unless you just have him playing on the last man's shoulder with a pair of wingers who penetrate and a midfield playing him in he is not ideal for our setup. He wasn't great yesterday and I really felt for him. He had a couple of really nice moments away from goal but struggled I thought in general.
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I really like him too. He has a good attitude, good work ethic and good relationship with the fans. At his best he makes the most of his abilities and has scored so many important goals over the years, but I think his lack of footballing ability is catching up with him.

He thrives when we pin teams back and he can make those runs in the box. He's exceptional at his off the ball movement and finishing, but even the latter has left him of late. As the team a round him has declined we create much less and every chance seems to put him under more pressure. He seems to have tried to drop deeper more and get involved but that's to his detriment as a player. He'll go somewhere and score goals but I don't think he has anywhere near enough to become the top draw striker some of us thought he could have been.
 
It's just a pity we don't have the midfield to provide him some assists and allow him to score goals. That would definitely boost his morale. On the other hand he is pretty ineffective without support and we need players that can set themselves up for goals.
 
If you go back and watch, most of his goals were poachers tap-ins or one touch to finish type goals. Hurts me to see this kind of thing happen though because he is so likable.
 
I found the substitution bizarre. Why bring on a winger and take off a striker? Rooney drops back so often it meant Nani had a shortage of strikers to aim for.
 
Because we had no other strikers on the bench and Hernandez was offering nothing. Swansea were literally just ignoring the fact he was on the pitch.

Not entirely his fault, but when your ability is as limited to one specific area as his, you always run the risk of ending up in a team or system that is being forced to carry you.

I was hoping we'd start with Janujaz playing in his role tbh. The only time I remember him being useful as a starter is in his first season when he'd actually turn defences with his pace and give the rst of our team more room...either that or the opposition would try to stand their ground and he'd end up through on goal 2-3 times.

He hasn't had that since. He seemed to bulk up a bit and then started standing offside all the time and didn't seem able to pull away from players anymore. Not sure what the point was as he was never going to be the type to hold off defenders and have the ball played into his feet.
 
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noodlehair said:
Because we had no other strikers on the bench and Hernandez was offering nothing. Swansea were literally just ignoring the fact he was on the pitch.

Not entirely his fault, but when your ability is as limited to one specific area as his, you always run the risk of ending up in a team or system that is being forced to carry you.
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Fair enough but I felt that when he went off, it did limit our chances. And Nani is beyond useless lately. I always feel Hernandez might do something - I've completely lost that hope with Nani.
 
Livvie said:
Fair enough but I felt that when he went off, it did limit our chances. And Nani is beyond useless lately. I always feel Hernandez might do something - I've completely lost that hope with Nani.
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I thought we were slightly better in the second half, though mainly because we had a 10 minute spell where we actually passed the ball properly. As soon as we scored we went back to looking like a pub side.

Nani was probably our best player in the second half though. I mean you talk about players who might do something. Rooney and Mata are the two whe are in there for that reason and all the pair of them did all game was pass the ball sideways and shirk responsibility.

I think Nani gets a hard time. Partl because he's an insufferable idiot, but also partly because he's actually brave enough to want the ball and want to create something, even if it goes spectacularly wrong.

Hernandez...I didn't get what he was supposed to be offering. I never do when he starts games anymore. He either stands offside, or comes short to pick up the ball and then either loses it or puts his body in the way of the ball and pretends to be fouled. It's got to the point where unless he's tapping the ball in from 4 yards out, you can safely expect him to feck things up. That's not good enough at any decent level let alone at Manchester United.

The lightning fast, deadly finishing Hernandez who stretched defences and forced teams to drop off was a very useful player. The problem is we've rarely seenthat Hernandez since his first season, Which is an awful long time ago now.
 
Hes a confidence player, he was vital to us when SAF was manager, he scored so many important goals. Since Moyes took over he seems shot.
I would loan him out, the way hes playing we wont get more than 10m for him when really should be commanding 25m+, which we many get if he has a sustained season some where else, that, or he will come back after scoring lot of goals and hopefully new lease of life.
 
He has declined badly, he has tried to imitate Roo and RVP, he is not the same anymore. He is not the striker who stays in the box, who is available to head some balls in, nowadays he also drops back, and tries to influence our play, back in the days he would look for making runs behind the defence to go 1 vs 1, he isnt stretching defences. I miss the old Chicha.
 
starman said:
I would loan him out, the way hes playing we wont get more than 10m for him when really should be commanding 25m+, which we many get if he has a sustained season some where else, that, or he will come back after scoring lot of goals and hopefully new lease of life.
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I don't buy this theory that we could get 25m for him. It would be nice but it's just a dream. Any club willing to pay that for a striker will be willing to spend more to get a more complete player. Unfortunately around 10m is about right. A few seasons ago I would agree but that was then and this is now.
 
Eric'sCollar said:
I don't buy this theory that we could get 25m for him. It would be nice but it's just a dream. Any club willing to pay that for a striker will be willing to spend more to get a more complete player. Unfortunately around 10m is about right. A few seasons ago I would agree but that was then and this is now.
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You mean an few seasons ago when he was scoring lots of goals? how does that differ from what i suggested in sending him on loan hoping he will get his confidence back and score lots of goals again, and we maybe get 25 m for him? or rejuvenated player.
 
Has he always been so limited? I feel like he was a lot better than what he's been showing.

Over the last 2 seasons he's stuck out like a sore thumb in terms of his overall play. Just doesn't offer anything other than finishing. I mean he doesn't even stretch defenses anymore with his intelligent runs like he used to.
 
starman said:
You mean an few seasons ago when he was scoring lots of goals? how does that differ from what i suggested in sending him on loan hoping he will get his confidence back and score lots of goals again, and we maybe get 25 m for him? or rejuvenated player.
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Because he will have one year less on his deal and even if we get a rejuvenated player by the time that happens, we will be looking at brining in someone to replace RVP and then he would find himself in the same position of being 2nd fiddle to better players.
 
Lynk said:
Hernandez is a better striker. Welbeck is a jack of all trades, master of none.
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Hernandez is better at finishing (I've seen him miss some shockers though, especially for Mexico) and direct movement towards goal. Welbeck offers greater technical play, flexibility and also has good movement and link play. Managers looking to create a team will see Hernandez as surplus to requirements especially when you already have Rooney and RVP who score 30 goals a season each anyway. When we play poorly, Hernandez plays poorly. It also makes it even more difficult for his partner when Hernandez isn't performing well. Welbeck can offer to stretch the defence, work the wings, pull deeper and link play. It's an easy decision on who to move on between the two. In a formation with two strikers and an AM, we will create enough to avoid having a poacher like Hernandez.
 
Eric'sCollar said:
I don't buy this theory that we could get 25m for him. It would be nice but it's just a dream. Any club willing to pay that for a striker will be willing to spend more to get a more complete player. Unfortunately around 10m is about right. A few seasons ago I would agree but that was then and this is now.
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I know comparing fees is often a false economy, but it would be ridiculous if we sell Hernandez for the same amount as a guy who can't get into his national team squad ahead of Shola Ameobi, and less than Shane runs around a lot Long. Cornelius (who?) cost Cardiff 10m. Ulloa 8m. I'll leave Ross McCormack out of this.

Anyhow, my point is transfer fees for mediocre players have gone mental the last 12 months. 10m gets you a striker who might score now and again in the Premier League if you're lucky, so Hernandez should go for much more. Though with our player sales record...
 
Patchbeard said:
I know comparing fees is often a false economy, but it would be ridiculous if we sell Hernandez for the same amount as a guy who can't get into his national team squad ahead of Shola Ameobi, and less than Shane runs around a lot Long. Cornelius (who?) cost Cardiff 10m. Ulloa 8m. I'll leave Ross McCormack out of this.

Anyhow, my point is transfer fees for mediocre players have gone mental the last 12 months. 10m gets you a striker who might score now and again in the Premier League if you're lucky, so Hernandez should go for much more. Though with our player sales record...
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Wages of players like McCormack will be a lot less though, that's the difference.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
Has he always been so limited? I feel like he was a lot better than what he's been showing.

Over the last 2 seasons he's stuck out like a sore thumb in terms of his overall play. Just doesn't offer anything other than finishing. I mean he doesn't even stretch defenses anymore with his intelligent runs like he used to.
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His overall play was good last season he just wasn't scoring due to limited playing time. The problem this season is that in this system all the attackers need to contribute due to having an extra cb. In a 433 or 442 or 4231 you have 4 attackers up front and the fbs also contribute offensively. The extra cb took away one of those attackers. When a striker like chicharito is there and can't contribute it makes matters worse. Not only that, but LVG wants players to be comfortable in possession and we know he isn't that kind of player.
 
Lynk said:
Hernandez is a better striker. Welbeck is a jack of all trades, master of none.
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If it were for me, Hernandez would be sold while I would promote Wilson in the main squad to be the official 3rd striker when he'll get fit. Wilson can really run with the ball too while having a better finish than Welbeck, who is IMHO an eternal 4th striker if not further depending of who's available.
 
iBoss said:
It's an easy decision on who to move on between the two. In a formation with two strikers and an AM, we will create enough to avoid having a poacher like Hernandez.
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No its an easy decision for you because one Welbeck is English and two he came through our academy.
 
RDCR07 said:
No its an easy decision for you because one Welbeck is English and two he came through our academy.
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I'd rather have an academy product in the team over someone who isn't, but not if it meant the quality was reduced. Welbeck is a better footballer than Hernandez and it is better for us in the long term that Danny stays and Hernandez leaves. Why you want to make it about him being an academy player or not, I do not know.
 
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