We always sell badly. Atheltico want Kagawa and Hernandez together for £25m apparently. What a joke! They're worth that on their marketability alone. Wish we would get someone else to negotiate transfers.
Chicharito Loan Watch | Real Madrid
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I don't see why we would sell him. One of the reasons why we decided to move to 3-5-2 was to find a system that would play to our squads strengths; in this case it would be our wealth of strikers. Even without Champions League football, Hernandez should still play a big part for us, considering RVP's injury history and the fact that Hernandez is still the best option off the bench.
I think Hernandez can deal with not starting games as long as he plays regularly. Despite his super sub reputation, Sir Alex had a habit of putting him on whether we needed a goal or not and he routinely made 30+ appearances in that time period. All during that time he'd state he was happy to stay here. I think if LvG tells him he's in his plans, Hernandez will stick around another season at least.
On a side note, I honestly don't think many clubs who are on our level like Real Madrid or are just a level below like Atletico would use him any differently. I think for him to get regular first team football, he'd have to join a midtable to Everton level team.
I think Hernandez can deal with not starting games as long as he plays regularly. Despite his super sub reputation, Sir Alex had a habit of putting him on whether we needed a goal or not and he routinely made 30+ appearances in that time period. All during that time he'd state he was happy to stay here. I think if LvG tells him he's in his plans, Hernandez will stick around another season at least.
On a side note, I honestly don't think many clubs who are on our level like Real Madrid or are just a level below like Atletico would use him any differently. I think for him to get regular first team football, he'd have to join a midtable to Everton level team.
1. We're going to play 10-15 games less than most top teams this year because we were such an abomination last year.
2. A lot of top teams don't have 3 first team 9's (RVP, Rooney, Welbeck) and basically nobody has two 9's as good as we do, and the teams that do (Barca and Bayern) have 9's capable of playing out wide (Suarez/Messi and Gotze/Muller).
If Hernandez moved to Real Madrid, he'd be behind Benzema, sure, but he'd still probably get more playing time, since whenever Ancelotti wanted a striker in and Benzema wasn't fit or was being rested (2 games a week fairly often), it would be Hernandez playing, presumably (Jese is another option, as is James as a false 9).
More realistically, Hernandez could go to Arsenal, Chelsea or Juventus and be the 2nd choice number 9 on a team playing 55 games this year.
Side note: It's kind of insane to call Atletico a level below us; They were probably the best team in Europe last year, literally one minute away from winning La Liga and the Champions League. They lost 3 key starters (Costa, Felipe Luis, Courtois) but replaced each one with a ready-made replacement (Mandzukic, Siquiera, Oblak) and added Griezmann too. They'd be favorites over any English team in a CL tie, save maybe Chelsea after their impressive summer.
I'll concede that he probably plays more games because of our lack of European football, however I still think he gets used in the same super sub role at bigger clubs as well.
As you pointed out most teams play with 1 striker, and if you look at the players like Diego Costa, Mandzukic, Benzema, Lewandowski who play or will play in a system that uses one striker, all of them are good at linking up and holding play. Hernandez doesn't consistently have those qualities and is a huge reason why he was dropped in favour of Peralta for the Mexican National team despite being their 3rd highest goalscorer at such a young age. I don't doubt top clubs would be interested in him, but I don't think he'd work out with his style of play in a team that requires their number 9 to be more than a goal scorer.
starting tonight I see, maybe not so exit bound as we thought?
Hardly convinced that he should stay.
He's got the wrong idea; he thinks putting the ball in the net will save his place, but LvG made it clear that's not just what he's looking for.
Trying way too hard to impress, should just play simple passes and not waste so much time on the ball looking for a Hollywood pass.
Trying way too hard to impress, should just play simple passes and not waste so much time on the ball looking for a Hollywood pass.
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He really doesn't suit this formation. He makes it impossible to play the quick paced, one touch football, and kills every move. Also can't hold the ball up to save his life.
As I stated before, in the last few months, he has not looked clinical at all. I believe his confidence was truly shattered when Peralta was picked ahead of him for Mexico at the World cup. He needs a manager that has faith in him in order to return to his former self.
fair enough, he should've scored that chance early on tbh, not really doing enough to convince LVG he should stay right now it seems
When he got the ball on the edge of the box turned and blasted it I just sighed. Its everything you say. Worse, he's going for the spectacular and messing up the basic. Shame its come to this. Hernandez is a better player than that.
So it's four managers fault he hasn't looked good? Even in Fergies last season he wasn't really at his best.
He just doesn't do enough when he starts and like someone says tries to impress too much. Young put in a few great crosses and where was he?
Think he's definitely gone this Summer - van Gaal will want his strikers to be good on the ball, Hernandez lacks too much in that department.
Torres-esque miss.
Hernandez from 2011 would easily finish one of those 2 or 3 Young crosses.
Now he doesn't even put himself in a scoring position, where's that desire and movement?
I know it's only 45mins, but he's been poor for quite a long time and seems unlikely to stay, for his own good.
There's a reason why he was out of Mexico first 11 as well.
Hernandez from 2011 would easily finish one of those 2 or 3 Young crosses.
Now he doesn't even put himself in a scoring position, where's that desire and movement?
I know it's only 45mins, but he's been poor for quite a long time and seems unlikely to stay, for his own good.
There's a reason why he was out of Mexico first 11 as well.
I love the guy, but he isn't good enough anymore. He can't run at defenders and I'm not sure that he has enough pace to run past them anymore either. He looks a little lost at times; it doesn't help that the other attackers are utter garbage tonight, but he's definitely part of the problem.
It's a shame, because I'm sure he can play the simple passes. He's not Welbeck, he can't play the intricate balls or whatnot, but if he kept it simple and still made those great runs he usually does, he'd offer something different and useful.
But it really looks like he's got the wrong idea and not following instructions. Very frustrating.
But it really looks like he's got the wrong idea and not following instructions. Very frustrating.
I still fancy him to score.... but putting away 1 chance just isn't cutting it for me anymore.
And just as we say he isn't good enough, he puts in a cracking cross.The cross was very good and shouldn't missed that scoring opportunity. But still can't see his future with us. If LVG fancy him as our 4th choice then so be it, still happy with our super sub hero.
So if as expected he moves on, who becomes our fourth choice centre-forward? Zaha?
That cross 
May be Wilson. Or Young could be another option since he can play so many positions in this system.
I prefer him over Welbeck honestly. besides the miss which was the first opportunity also he had a good game. Dropped back, one a few ball even and that cross was well and seems to have an accurate cross from that right foot.
After the game tonight, I went to where the buses were to see the players come out and board. Hernandez was the only player from either team that came over to sign autographs. Miami is known for it's Hispanic population, but not Mexican, so it's not like this was in Dallas or LA where it was his people. Sure, a few Mexicans, but he came over for the United fans. That doesn't mean he's staying, but I really don't feel like his begging for a move after seeing that. Either way, classy move.
The only other person from either club to sign autographs was LVG himself! Mata started to come over, but was then asked to board the bus as he was already the last one. I'll post the LVG story in the LVG thread.
The only other person from either club to sign autographs was LVG himself! Mata started to come over, but was then asked to board the bus as he was already the last one. I'll post the LVG story in the LVG thread.
I'll give him his finishing ability over Welbeck, every day of the week but what does he give us that Welbeck doesn't?
Welbeck offers so much more, that's not up for debate really. I understand as a striker, goals are what it's about but we have goals in the side. I love Hernandez, he is great on and off the pitch but I can't see how you would have him over Welbeck. Especially in the way we are going to play under van Gaal.
Januzaj, except he may be higher than 4th depending on how the others play/avoid injury.
We already have players, who offer "so much more."
I said at half time that Hernandez was capable of much, much more than what he showed in the first 45 minutes and that cross was an example of it. Chico's crossing is actually an underrated part of his game, over the last couple of years his delivery from wide areas (when it's come) has been more consistent than Valencia's, Young's or Nani's. Plus, after a poor start to the game you have to admire him not letting his head drop and having the wits to put that kind of ball in.
Chicharito is a player who just looks like he needs to take a deep breath. He was so wound up yesterday (and he wasn't the only one), playing tense, making silly mistakes. He made himself look a lot worse than he actually is. Hernandez can have a future at United if he just relaxes and plays his natural game.
Chicharito is a player who just looks like he needs to take a deep breath. He was so wound up yesterday (and he wasn't the only one), playing tense, making silly mistakes. He made himself look a lot worse than he actually is. Hernandez can have a future at United if he just relaxes and plays his natural game.
To be honest I feel he could still be a very good super sub and I also think he will make a good 4th choice striker.
That said there is the Januzaj problem, he needs games whether it be as a 10 or 9.
I have no problems going with 5 strikers, Januzaj, Welbeck and Hernandez should compete for 3rd choice striker. It is possible also for Januzaj to get games as a 10 depending on injuries.
I think Cleverley needs to go but Kagawa and Lingard could get games as an 8 if Hererra gets injured.
I cannot see us getting much money for Kagawa or Hernandez, I think if he needs to cut the squad they should be loaned out for a season since we might decide we need them next season with more games.
I would even be in favour of loaning Cleverley to Everton or a team like that to see if he can play well and increase his value.
That said there is the Januzaj problem, he needs games whether it be as a 10 or 9.
I have no problems going with 5 strikers, Januzaj, Welbeck and Hernandez should compete for 3rd choice striker. It is possible also for Januzaj to get games as a 10 depending on injuries.
I think Cleverley needs to go but Kagawa and Lingard could get games as an 8 if Hererra gets injured.
I cannot see us getting much money for Kagawa or Hernandez, I think if he needs to cut the squad they should be loaned out for a season since we might decide we need them next season with more games.
I would even be in favour of loaning Cleverley to Everton or a team like that to see if he can play well and increase his value.
As usual, his market value drops when he starts a game. He will be the victim (together with Nani) of this new system LVG’s implementing, which requires some quick thinking from the players and good link-up play (weakest side of his game).
He should be sold, he will still be scoring goals, just not on this level I think. I’m not too fussed, we don’t need him with the amount of games and strikers next season.
What’s interesting that he played very deep at times, while Rooney stayed up top, which indicates that Wayne is considered as out and out striker by van Gaal (good thinking IMO), and if that’s the case, Hernandez will never be main striker here.
He should be sold, he will still be scoring goals, just not on this level I think. I’m not too fussed, we don’t need him with the amount of games and strikers next season.
What’s interesting that he played very deep at times, while Rooney stayed up top, which indicates that Wayne is considered as out and out striker by van Gaal (good thinking IMO), and if that’s the case, Hernandez will never be main striker here.
Just thinking, he could be a brilliant signing for Liverpool. He would fecking love those through balls that Coutinho likes to play. They're desperately in need of a poacher and he'd be cheap as chips and a proven PL goal-scorer. Would also have a major point to prove if United pushed him out the door. Just so long as it never happens
Just thinking, he could be a brilliant signing for Liverpool. He would fecking love those through balls that Coutinho likes to play. They're desperately in need of a poacher and he'd be cheap as chips and a proven PL goal-scorer. Would also have a major point to prove if United pushed him out the door. Just so long as it never happens
I actually thought this too. Thankfully it won't happen though!
Just thinking, he could be a brilliant signing for Liverpool. He would fecking love those through balls that Coutinho likes to play. They're desperately in need of a poacher and he'd be cheap as chips and a proven PL goal-scorer. Would also have a major point to prove if United pushed him out the door. Just so long as it never happens
I refuse to even let that thought enter my mind. No just no...If he leaves he should go to another league. Would be gutted to see him leave though and hope he still has a place in the squad. He is a brilliant poacher who guarantees goals when given the minutes. The chances of keeping him would have been higher if we were in Europe . I will never forget these two pearls from him though
He's basically the perfect super-sub, in terms of his attributes as a footballer. Bring him on late in the game, when there's a bit of space and watch him nick a goal. Shades of Ole in the way he's such a predator. I'm not sure if that works for him, mentally, though. He's already had one massive crisis of confidence in his career, so I don't think he can cope with being marginalised. He seems to be trying too hard and whenever he gets a rare start he does himself no favours.
He didn't make much of a fuss out of it under SAF, in fact he looked happy in that role and got the occasional start here and there in the big games too. Under Moyes, he was completely misused and like most of our players, was given feck all confidence from the manager. I think that LVG will know how to possibly get him back on track and convince him that he's still an important piece of the puzzle. I hope so anyway.
It's not so much the fuss, as the effect it's had on his game. Snatching at chances, over-playing the ball and not looking anything like the lethal striker he looked in his debut season. I don't think he was much worse last season than he was the season before. It was his debut season when he really looked special. There seem to have been a marked decline once we signed RvP and made it clear that he had no chance of making our best XI.
Im really surprised Spurs arent biting our hand off. They really need a striker and he would be perfect. He has shown if gets starts he'll score goals, very surprised bids aren't coming in. Unless they are and we are waiting for LVG's assessment.
As much as, selfishly, I'd like him to stay in his super sub role, he's one that I think needs to move on for the good of his own career because he will never be quite good enough to be a regular starter here.
I would hope that our youngsters like Henriquez, Wilson and Lingard could fill the void for us without having to buy.
I would hope that our youngsters like Henriquez, Wilson and Lingard could fill the void for us without having to buy.
If he leaves he should go to another league. Would be gutted to see him leave though and hope he still has a place in the squad. He is a brilliant poacher who guarantees goals when given the minutes. The chances of keeping him would have been higher if we were in Europe . I will never forget these two pearls from him though
forgot about that goal against Stoke. Quality.what a great movement for that goal above!!